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dballance

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15. What Columbus "discovered" was ALREADY a major center of civilization and learning.
Mon Oct 14, 2013, 01:18 PM
Oct 2013

Correct me if I'm wrong here - and I well could be so do correct me. I don't ever recall learning that the Europeans "discovered" Asia. Only that we more or less met another set of civilizations with whom we established trade. I believe the Asian peoples buildings and formal society that resembled European and Mediterranean societies, was not considered to be primitive as we considered the indigenous peoples of the Americas to be.

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I think we would understand it to be offensive if we said some European "discovered" Asia with its already established societies and cultures and that's why I don't think we say that or are taught that. So it's similarly offensive to say the indigenous peoples with their already established languages, cultures and religions were "discovered." Just my 2 cents.

One could argue the point Revanchist Oct 2013 #1
I Think It's Insulting to the Indigenous Peoples to say "Discovered" the way it's said now. dballance Oct 2013 #2
But you can't limit that philosophy to just the Americas Revanchist Oct 2013 #3
It's an artifact of eurocentric history Scootaloo Oct 2013 #5
Isn't it time we (US) dropped the Eurocentric mindset after all these centuries? eShirl Oct 2013 #7
Next you'll claim that Coronado didn't discover the Grand Canyon JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2013 #4
Coronado did not visit the Grand Canyon. He went to Zuni and turned east to the Rio Grande pueblos. Coyotl Oct 2013 #12
He took a left at Albuquerque itsrobert Oct 2013 #29
He went straight at Albuquerque, Coyotl Oct 2013 #31
why is it even still a holiday? ffs eShirl Oct 2013 #6
Columbus got taken back to Spain in chains... backscatter712 Oct 2013 #8
he reported back to the dominant civilization on the planet the existence of another continent CBGLuthier Oct 2013 #9
Spain was anything but the dominant civilization on the planet. Spain was totally uncivil. Coyotl Oct 2013 #13
He discovered something unknown to a major center of civilization and learning krispos42 Oct 2013 #10
What Columbus "discovered" was ALREADY a major center of civilization and learning. dballance Oct 2013 #15
Wha....?! Really?!?! Richardo Oct 2013 #11
Exactly. Asians "discovered" North America thousands of years before Columbus and pampango Oct 2013 #14
So immigants have been intruding into European land for millennia? Figures! Orrex Oct 2013 #17
Damn immigrants. They've been intruding on "our" land since before "we" even discovered it. pampango Oct 2013 #18
No job is done until the paperwork is complete. FarCenter Oct 2013 #16
Believe me, as a Daughter of the LAKOTA the lies never get past my Elementary School grandchildren.. Tikki Oct 2013 #19
One good thing is we can actually have this discussion now. dballance Oct 2013 #23
Maybe it's because we live in a Liberal Blue Coast State, but none of our sons' teachers.. Tikki Oct 2013 #25
Yeh, time to stop perpetuating this lie, and stop celebrating the start of the systematic genocide Zorra Oct 2013 #20
My prediction is that we will find evidence of waves of immigrants to the Americas Taverner Oct 2013 #21
Yep, you're likely correct. dballance Oct 2013 #24
And the polynesians REALLY had perfected sea travel Taverner Oct 2013 #27
Don't forget the anachronites cvoogt Oct 2013 #30
He was just a worthless rat then. Ya, ok. n/t miyazaki Oct 2013 #22
Well, yep. A self-centered, profiteer with no empathy for other humans. So Yes. dballance Oct 2013 #26
History gave him more than his due, that's all... Tikki Oct 2013 #28
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