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stupidicus

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103. I completely agree

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 07:08 PM

Oct 2013

I guess it depends on what you think has been "won". By not giving up more than they did to the extortionists?

As I see it, giving them the little baubble they got is likely to encourage as opposed to discouraging them from simply continuing to rinse and repeat with this kinda conduct, while leaving the dems who bail them out in the house responsible for whatever concessions they extract. According to rightwingnuts, the Bush tax cuts are now the BHO/dem tax cuts, as are all the impact they have on our debt and deficits. http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_22294868/fiscal-cliff-bill-extends-most-bush-tax-cuts The "politically possible" is and has been for some time now, a euphemism for giving us dogs a bone, or a "win" in this case.

This tyranny of the Pee Party minority tactic is gonna be energetically exploited at every available opportunity by them, leaving the inexorable rightward drift on socioeconomic policy issues/legislation alive and well. I don't think any ego considerations need be made in terms of their being declared the losers, because it appears as if this conduct is hardwired into them now that they know such methods and means are the only way they can politically accomplish their goals.

The only thing we "won" is a respite from their madness until the next game in an undefined/unknown number for the series is started.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/10/white-house-there-are-no-winners-here-175216.html

Even BHO knows there aren't any "winners" in all of this, but there has been many losers, as you rightly noted. http://wonkwire.rollcall.com/2013/10/16/chart-day-26/

The only real "win" I see has nothing to do with the specifics of the CR situation other than as an unintended result for rightwingners -- the potential for losses in 2014 their madness has enhanced the possibilities for. But that assumes that the dems will then try to blaze a trail leftward. For some reason I'm not very confident that they'll do so, given the way that "politically possible" thingy keeps getting in the way...

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Why We Did Not Win and the Dangers of Saying We Did [View all] cui bono Oct 2013 OP

We did not win because the enemy has survived and WILL fight again. calimary Oct 2013 #1

They will definitely want to fight again, but with the mentality prevalent right now cui bono Oct 2013 #7

+1. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #68

And the Sequester still stands n2doc Oct 2013 #2

Yes, exactly. Great point. cui bono Oct 2013 #15

This graphic is a useful tool against those who claim we got "Complete Victory" n2doc Oct 2013 #22

Love that graphic. n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #30

This should be posted in it's own post after today's breaking news. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #60

it's an old graphic hfojvt Oct 2013 #88

The numbers are accurate , but if the numbers were allocated according to the Ryan budget Snake Plissken Oct 2013 #64

As long as you have a GOP majority in the house Iliyah Oct 2013 #94

Precisely. jsr Oct 2013 #26

**Because the Repubs are already screaming about "entitlement reform" and Debt reduction** Martin Eden Oct 2013 #128

So you think that sharp_stick Oct 2013 #3

We DID win rock Oct 2013 #4

It was a victory for rule of law, certainly, and the legislative process. nt MADem Oct 2013 #6

+1 Agree. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #78

But that should be business as usual. cui bono Oct 2013 #25

Well to be a little more precise rock Oct 2013 #79

Politics is most definitely a team sport. JaneyVee Oct 2013 #5

Not really dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #84

There is a crazy fringe group that shut down the government Southside Oct 2013 #8

Ain't gonna happen. Tea Party will have less influence after this fiasco Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #10

They can't shut us down, but they can take out RHINOs Southside Oct 2013 #17

Shove their neo-GOP-of-Lincoln's flag in their 'moderate' faces: Amonester Oct 2013 #125

Ok. If you say so. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #9

+ 1 ... for having "a sad" JoePhilly Oct 2013 #14

"Your concern is duly noted." cui bono Oct 2013 #16

I'm not. You are concerned we are overly celebratory Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #31

You know as well as I do what that phrase means. cui bono Oct 2013 #81

You're right. That 'noted concern' is such passive agressive bullshit. Ed Suspicious Oct 2013 #91

See ... THIS is why we can't have nice things!!! JoePhilly Oct 2013 #11

What nice things do we have from this? cui bono Oct 2013 #21

We also saw lakercub Oct 2013 #61

I laugh at posts like this one leftynyc Oct 2013 #23

Don't forget the Virginia governorship. . . DinahMoeHum Oct 2013 #53

I'll worry about Terry tomorrow leftynyc Oct 2013 #112

+1 treestar Oct 2013 #66

Hear, hear, leftynyc! flpoljunkie Oct 2013 #90

Nope … 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2013 #110

I gave up the looking for perfection leftynyc Oct 2013 #113

I guess ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2013 #114

When one wants a meal - PETRUS Oct 2013 #116

I guess I shouldn't have suggested everyone read Nietzsche during the shut down. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #27

How predictable .... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #12

Have you got anything to actually add to the discussion? cui bono Oct 2013 #19

because a serious man is in the White House... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #32

Let me rephrase that. Do you have anything substantial to say to add to the discussion? cui bono Oct 2013 #46

and your "little quip" means exactly what? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #55

So you don't want to have a discussion. That's what I thought. cui bono Oct 2013 #82

and you did? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #98

Ah... so you didn't read the OP. cui bono Oct 2013 #136

Yeah way to have such high expectations....you totally miss the milestones. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #137

You really don't get "discussion" do you? cui bono Oct 2013 #138

Okay...you don't get it...don't do subtle comedy do you? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #139

Yeah, that's the ticket. Pure comedy gold. cui bono Oct 2013 #140

did you just say that Obama not getting impeached is a win???? Doctor_J Oct 2013 #121

OP needs this picture ... JoePhilly Oct 2013 #20

Yes, that would have helped explain it to you. cui bono Oct 2013 #33

I remember when the DOW was at 7500 and THAT was going to be what JoePhilly Oct 2013 #45

Calling this a win moves the goalposts further to the right. cui bono Oct 2013 #47

Sure it does. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #51

You don't believe that? cui bono Oct 2013 #83

Exactly! munster69 Oct 2013 #72

The very point of all this is to accept the right wing result as normal. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #13

Maybe the economy will pick up Southside Oct 2013 #28

It will certainly pick up now that we are not going to become deadbeat and aren't forced to pay for VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #34

Impeachment is coming, they hate Obama. Southside Oct 2013 #50

they can try...but it wont work. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #54

Nope, will never work Southside Oct 2013 #58

Yes to all you said. Especially the politics as team sport thing. Demit Oct 2013 #18

Entitlement reforms means different things to different people, taking the cap off earnings Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #37

omg, what Democrat in Congress can you point me to who is pushing for raising the SS cap? Demit Oct 2013 #59

Here's one and if I kept searching I'm sure there are others that would support it, particulary now. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #69

Thanks Demit Oct 2013 #96

Here’s another Democrat … 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2013 #111

Then why am I so happy? warrprayer Oct 2013 #24

Because ignorance is bliss? cui bono Oct 2013 #42

as one who was/is active warrprayer Oct 2013 #63

We've been scammed. Again. Let's repeat this part, woo me with science Oct 2013 #29

. ProSense Oct 2013 #36

Exactly. It's sad that so many on here are simply playing the game cui bono Oct 2013 #38

There certainly is a discussion to be had over exactly WHAT will be the fallout Maedhros Oct 2013 #74

So we get super duper austerity instead of super duper pooper austerity. Wow, what a win. JEB Oct 2013 #65

Indeed. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #71

I agree with you woo! blue14u Oct 2013 #101

Somebody won: ProSense Oct 2013 #35

I believe the political dynamic is in favor of this occurring more often thanks to the Republican Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #43

LOL! This whole thing was a political win for us. All we had to do was watch DevonRex Oct 2013 #39

You are living in a bubble. cui bono Oct 2013 #40

You know what has been missing since ProSense Oct 2013 #44

^^^This^^^ Bobbie Jo Oct 2013 #104

I live in this dimension. I can enjoy a moment DevonRex Oct 2013 #102

Well I posted more than a cartoon clip. I'm looking at the big picture. cui bono Oct 2013 #123

We aren't allowed to win. Democrats never win. Only Republicans can win ProSense Oct 2013 #41

+1 JoePhilly Oct 2013 #49

We win about as much as we can until we put Nancy Pelosi back in the speaker chair. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #48

We **WIN** because they got nothing they wanted. Lex Oct 2013 #52

Not completely true munster69 Oct 2013 #73

It was a display of Politics as Usual. Not even very entertaining. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #56

Great post, well said! DrewFlorida Oct 2013 #57

I concur. But here's the problem with your analysis: BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #62

+1. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #76

Democrats need to stop being on the defensive. Maedhros Oct 2013 #89

Senator Bernie Sanders just said it was a terrible deal munster69 Oct 2013 #67

We won in the sense the RW extortionist tactics failed. DCBob Oct 2013 #70

How do we vote out the tea-baggers in the House? JDPriestly Oct 2013 #75

K&R for the reality check we all need. zeemike Oct 2013 #77

paul ryan's budget noiretextatique Oct 2013 #80

I'm glad that you posted this Orrex Oct 2013 #85

You are one my favorite posters, ever. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #107

. Orrex Oct 2013 #117

Heh. I like your sarcasm. :) cui bono Oct 2013 #109

I understand your' logic here, cui, but I respectfully disagree... BornLooser Oct 2013 #86

Excellent point mkell33 Oct 2013 #87

K&R Oilwellian Oct 2013 #92

That will be when denial will set in. cui bono Oct 2013 #108

The only real victory is that public opinion of the GOP is in the sewer andym Oct 2013 #93

We simply postponed the bloodshed...... lastlib Oct 2013 #95

We won a battle on an important principle. Orsino Oct 2013 #97

I do see where you come from DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #99

Well I dont call this a victory. I call it a wake up call. PFunk Oct 2013 #100

I completely agree stupidicus Oct 2013 #103

Kick Cal Carpenter Oct 2013 #105

Aw come on man, not even just ONE win? A little victory? Rex Oct 2013 #106

When a big win is just not defaulting, then we are in a bad spot. We got a stop on D TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #118

+10000000 Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #119

I don't get it, it is like what happens in reality doesn't even matter. Just what the score TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #127

It is irresponsible to say we didn't win. joshcryer Oct 2013 #115

HEAD'S UP!! Obligatory Democratic Breast Beating Alert!! renie408 Oct 2013 #120

just like the Bush tax cut extension was a win Doctor_J Oct 2013 #122

I am SO past the team win mentality! n/t slipslidingaway Oct 2013 #124

So fucking sick and tired of Democrats and our fucking inferiority complex!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2013 #126

I think "sick of the left's inferiority complex" would be more accurate LS71. great white snark Oct 2013 #129

There you go! Thanks! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2013 #135

Thank you, cui bono. Le Taz Hot Oct 2013 #130

We Won!!!!! Progressive dog Oct 2013 #131

Yup. progressoid Oct 2013 #132

K&R n/t lupinella Oct 2013 #133

DURec. bvar22 Oct 2013 #134