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auntsue

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110. as a catholic school student

Tue Oct 22, 2013, 08:14 PM

Oct 2013

way back in the day we were not allowed to wear rosaries this was for exactly that reason. It is not jewelry. It is a holy tool to guide prayer. I think gang members have used it symbolically to mean something else.

Even if the kid means it in a prayerful way - prayer is personal not to be flaunted. AND something dangling from ones neck is = in fact - a safety hazard. As a teacher we are discouraged, no forbidden to wear dangling things, hoop ear rings, and while you see many teachers with their keys on a lanyard around their neck it is not recommended, it can be dangerous accidentally or --- on purpose -- from the wrong kind of person/

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Faith under fire: Student told to remove rosary [View all] The Straight Story Oct 2013 OP

"So they are letting gangs decide what kids can and can't wear" - yes, if the school has a dress Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #1

Rosaries were Christian symbols long before gangs adopted them (if they have). pnwmom Oct 2013 #11

We can, we have, and the Rosary is not jewelry. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #20

I agree, a Rosary is not jewelry. But wearing it around pnwmom Oct 2013 #22

Absolutely disagree. He is allowed to wear the rosary. That is the point being glossed over. He is okaawhatever Oct 2013 #35

Wrong. The school's dress code bans all rosaries. pnwmom Oct 2013 #38

In this case he wasn't asked to remove it until he failed repeatedly to put it under his shirt. Also okaawhatever Oct 2013 #42

NO! The district does NOT forbid rosaries. pnwmom Oct 2013 #45

The individual school has created a policy in addition to district policy period. If the district okaawhatever Oct 2013 #50

The school has created a policy in violation of the district policy, pnwmom Oct 2013 #52

Exactly, but when the rosary being worn as a necklace became a gang symbol, the individual school okaawhatever Oct 2013 #60

Here's what an Archbishop had to say about another rosary banning. pnwmom Oct 2013 #63

While I appreciate his sentiment, a Principal should not be forced to make a case that one individua okaawhatever Oct 2013 #77

It isn't against the teachings of the Catholic Church to wear them. pnwmom Oct 2013 #79

The Catholic Code of Canon Law might think rosaries used as gang signs are not allowed Generic Other Oct 2013 #138

NO ONE is claiming the boy is using it as a gang sign. pnwmom Oct 2013 #139

Not an isolated incident Generic Other Oct 2013 #143

True. Schools are over-reacting to this all over the country. pnwmom Oct 2013 #146

I don't argue for banning either Generic Other Oct 2013 #150

Not to mention in violation of the constitution Posteritatis Oct 2013 #73

Why should progressives care about a silly little thing pnwmom Oct 2013 #74

You're right of course. My bad; I forgot to pay my Dumb Bill this month! (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2013 #75

What would they do about a yarmulke? Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #54

That would clearly violate their anti-beanie policy. pnwmom Oct 2013 #71

as a catholic school student auntsue Oct 2013 #110

Students at this school are not forbidden from wearing dangling things pnwmom Oct 2013 #141

Sister Edna tore me a new one for wearing a rosary in 7th grade eridani Oct 2013 #174

What I have learned is that the practice is cultural. pnwmom Oct 2013 #183

I say if the school isn't banning crosses or Mogen Davids on necklaces-- eridani Oct 2013 #185

The ACLU strongly supports the rights of students to wear rosaries. pnwmom Oct 2013 #186

Well, then I'm starting a gang called the Westside Trousers. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #21

Even better, My gang's symbol is a school uniform. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #67

The Conformist Gang Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #99

NM dbackjon Oct 2013 #127

* Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #133

If you think you can tell a Muslim not to wear her headdress then put your fucking rosary away TeamPooka Oct 2013 #2

I'm sure you'll point out where the kid's advocating for that any day now. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2013 #70

nope. just me. nt TeamPooka Oct 2013 #82

Looks like the kid didn't want to comply hobbit709 Oct 2013 #3

Its a dude dying, in pain, on a cross. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #4

No doubt. My religious symbol is a nice tasty bowl of steamy pasta. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #5

You obviously havent read Wheat Belly. bunnies Oct 2013 #58

Sophia, I assume. I could be wrong. Thats quite beautiful. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #170

Good Guess, but, actually--- Eris. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #172

I really don't know. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #175

I'm not really being linear, I admit. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #176

Yet still pretty tame stuff compared to western contemporary fashion standards... LanternWaste Oct 2013 #81

I've yet to come across something worse, although I'm sure you're right and there is much worse. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #84

It is a sign of his faith. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #97

It's a sign of A faith that he happened to be indocrinated into as a child. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #167

We disagree but I respect your opinion. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #179

Then maybe, if you can't cope with diversity, if a Catholic Hispanic kid pnwmom Oct 2013 #182

My Persian/Irish children are diverse, and I'm quite proud of our heritage. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #192

The issue isn't children berating each other. pnwmom Oct 2013 #196

Is the school banning a religious symbol or a symbol used by gangs? Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #198

The legal ruling has been that there has to be a concrete association pnwmom Oct 2013 #199

No, they've decided outward displays of religion provoke violence Warpy Oct 2013 #6

"Finger in the eye Catholic"? Because he wears a visible symbol???? pnwmom Oct 2013 #12

In this case, school policy is very clear Warpy Oct 2013 #16

Why should I look up the bible quote? The issue is what it means to HIM pnwmom Oct 2013 #18

Why not? Religion is a personal thing that should remain private and out of the public sphere. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #168

And that's your personal opinion, but it's not the law. pnwmom Oct 2013 #171

It does? Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #173

The American Civil Liberties Union says the ban violates the 1st Amendment. pnwmom Oct 2013 #180

That is their opinion, it might go to the courts. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #188

Rosary wearers have ALREADY gone to court and won. pnwmom Oct 2013 #191

Meanwhile Uniforms have been upheld free of accessories. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #193

None of these schools require uniforms and they all ban pnwmom Oct 2013 #194

I don't know that. Have you called all of these schools? Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #195

No, but I posted the dress code of Monroe Elementary, the specific pnwmom Oct 2013 #197

Your opinion is yours and mine is mine. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #200

You're confused. The case in the OP was at James Monroe Elementary pnwmom Oct 2013 #204

Not confused, tired and waiting to send my son off to his father before I can sleep. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #205

We all know the quote because Union Scribe Oct 2013 #161

In this particular case, it's highly appropriate Warpy Oct 2013 #166

growing up catholic auntsue Oct 2013 #122

It is more accepted among some Catholic ethnic groups than others. pnwmom Oct 2013 #126

The safety concern is valid only if all necklaces are prohibited. Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #37

where I taught auntsue Oct 2013 #123

And (although I am not a fan of dress codes) Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #128

This school's dress code ONLY bans rosaries -- anything else around pnwmom Oct 2013 #148

Rosaries are not jewelry Retrograde Oct 2013 #7

He's not wearing it as jewelry. And even if his beliefs aren't pnwmom Oct 2013 #19

Wearing a rosary as a necklace is like using a yarmulke as a handkerchief: REP Oct 2013 #26

I'm Catholic and I don't perceive it as an insult. pnwmom Oct 2013 #30

But it's just not done. Iris Oct 2013 #152

Not true. Members of some Catholic ethnic groups are more likely pnwmom Oct 2013 #154

Can some pastafarian please declare baggy jeans a religious symbol Recursion Oct 2013 #8

just say no to crack Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #10

Rosary worn around neck is a death sign warrprayer Oct 2013 #9

And now they have dog tags with religion stamped on them for appropriate death services. nt okaawhatever Oct 2013 #39

if I am not mistaken warrprayer Oct 2013 #40

Ah didn't know that. I know the chaplains are often "cross-trained" if you will to provide services okaawhatever Oct 2013 #44

Rosaries are not necklaces and are not worn as such by actual Catholics REP Oct 2013 #13

This is correct. n/t Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #14

Yup. silverweb Oct 2013 #17

Only some people feel that way Mosby Oct 2013 #27

Those "some people" being Catholics REP Oct 2013 #28

I don't think it's clear cut. Mosby Oct 2013 #29

Thank you. Wearing it as a statement of faith is fine -- and that is what pnwmom Oct 2013 #76

Are you aware that it's not uncommon in Mexico, and that this boy pnwmom Oct 2013 #66

Is an Archbishop an "actual Catholic"? pnwmom Oct 2013 #48

Would you still be OK with it if the kid was killed by gang members because of it? xfundy Oct 2013 #91

I would say it is up to that boy's parents to decide, and they're not concerned. pnwmom Oct 2013 #92

Rosaries are not meant to be worn. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #100

Rosaries may be worn as an expression of faith, pnwmom Oct 2013 #118

I meant to say around the neck. BTW we Anglicans/Episcopalians have a rosary as well. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #120

Well, Catholics are allowed to wear it around the neck. pnwmom Oct 2013 #124

I personally have no objection to it. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #125

So you decide who is an "actual Catholic"? Union Scribe Oct 2013 #158

no religious paraphernalia should be permitted n public schools. bowens43 Oct 2013 #15

+1 Go Vols Oct 2013 #23

So no practicing Sikh could wear a turban pnwmom Oct 2013 #49

Religious freedom is allowed in our nation and we also have First Amendment rights of ... spin Oct 2013 #61

The state can't institute a religion, that'S pretty much the it. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #169

A little research shows ... spin Oct 2013 #184

I was for uniforms at school, still am. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #189

I can see advantages to uniforms in schools. ... spin Oct 2013 #206

I agree. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #207

In recent years testing has become important to establish benchmarks to compare ... spin Oct 2013 #208

Why not just tuck it in? It's a rosary, not a fashion statement. JaneyVee Oct 2013 #24

Rules are rules? The school's rules violates the district's policy. pnwmom Oct 2013 #34

Is wearing a turban considered a safety issue? JaneyVee Oct 2013 #36

It could be, if it were to become a "gang symbol." Anything pnwmom Oct 2013 #41

Hey now, keep your logic and sanity away from this nice frothing moral panic! (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2013 #68

I hope he doesn't remove it LittleBlue Oct 2013 #25

The school dress code says "no rosaries are allowed." But the district policy pnwmom Oct 2013 #43

Not the safety I was thinking of zipplewrath Oct 2013 #31

They don't ban necklaces. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #33

under the shirt zipplewrath Oct 2013 #140

No, they don't ban necklaces or anything else over the shirt except rosaries. pnwmom Oct 2013 #142

The school's dress code is in violation of district policy. pnwmom Oct 2013 #32

No red or blue clothing? NutmegYankee Oct 2013 #47

I'm Catholic and I know it isn't conventional -- and I fully support pnwmom Oct 2013 #51

No. NutmegYankee Oct 2013 #56

Catholicism doesn't prohibit the wearing of rosaries. pnwmom Oct 2013 #59

I know locally it is completely frowned upon. NutmegYankee Oct 2013 #64

It's fairly common in Mexico, and this boy is Hispanic. pnwmom Oct 2013 #65

One has to make a logic call on this. NutmegYankee Oct 2013 #78

That's not what the Archbishop in Omaha thinks. pnwmom Oct 2013 #80

And others disagree. NutmegYankee Oct 2013 #83

No, he doesn't want to hide his faith in his pocket. pnwmom Oct 2013 #85

Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District NutmegYankee Oct 2013 #88

It was a religious symbol for thousands of years before some gang pnwmom Oct 2013 #90

I referenced the provision in the post you replied to. NutmegYankee Oct 2013 #94

The provision you referenced has never been used in Constitutional law pnwmom Oct 2013 #96

Take an eastern religion example - NutmegYankee Oct 2013 #98

Nice. Now you're comparing a rosary to a swastika. But you're not pnwmom Oct 2013 #107

I'm comparing one faith's religious symbol to another faiths religious symbol. NutmegYankee Oct 2013 #113

I didn't even know regular folks wore rosary beads Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #46

It isn't conventional. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #53

isn't a rosary supposed to be pocketed demigoddess Oct 2013 #55

It's usually not worn, but there's no Church law against it. pnwmom Oct 2013 #57

It ain't a necklace. Iggo Oct 2013 #62

You're right, he's wearing it as a form of religious expression. pnwmom Oct 2013 #69

I don't believe him. Iggo Oct 2013 #119

That isn't relevant. What is relevant is the U.S. constitution, pnwmom Oct 2013 #149

This is a discussion board, not a court of law, and it's completely relevant. Iggo Oct 2013 #165

Oh boy, another "the First Amendment doesn't apply to things we don't like" thread. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2013 #72

gotta love them. Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #103

Yes, with a big side dish of Union Scribe Oct 2013 #159

Proudly? That begs the question, what is his reason for wearing it? notadmblnd Oct 2013 #86

He says he's wearing it as an expression of his religious belief, pnwmom Oct 2013 #93

So he is displaying it for others to see? notadmblnd Oct 2013 #101

This Archbishop doesn't have a problem with people who wear pnwmom Oct 2013 #106

Again, that is not it's purpose. notadmblnd Oct 2013 #136

thank you - rosaties are for prayer auntsue Oct 2013 #130

Gang violence is a very real threat in my community. hunter Oct 2013 #87

The school's dress code is in violation of its own district's policy. pnwmom Oct 2013 #95

Another "good Christian" ... 99Forever Oct 2013 #89

What makes him a chump? hrmjustin Oct 2013 #102

Generally Catholics don't support wearing it as a necklace. NutmegYankee Oct 2013 #104

Some Catholics dislike it but in some parts of the world it is acceptable. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #105

Obviously the other DUer didn't like it. NutmegYankee Oct 2013 #108

When I was RC in my youth I remember kids in my class waring them and I asked why and they hrmjustin Oct 2013 #112

You don't speak for any Catholics. pnwmom Oct 2013 #111

And neither do you in my opinion. nt NutmegYankee Oct 2013 #114

I, at least, am Catholic, and I gave you the link pnwmom Oct 2013 #116

You seem to be doing that same shopping. nt Union Scribe Oct 2013 #160

No, student told to put rosary inside shirt hatrack Oct 2013 #109

Doesn't matter. The dress code says rosaries aren't allowed pnwmom Oct 2013 #117

The ACLU strongly supports students' right to wear rosaries. pnwmom Oct 2013 #115

Anyone want to knowledgeably comment on the gang aspect of this ? steve2470 Oct 2013 #121

Google wearing rosary as gang sign Generic Other Oct 2013 #144

thank you for looking that up, I got lazy lol steve2470 Oct 2013 #145

TAX THE CHURCHES DontTreadOnMe Oct 2013 #129

Deadbeats? Churches do a lot of good in the community. Mine does! hrmjustin Oct 2013 #131

Do they pay property taxes? DontTreadOnMe Oct 2013 #134

We have townhouses and a school on the property so we may pay on them. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #137

You can't do that unless you tax all non-profits the same way. pnwmom Oct 2013 #147

Planned Parenthood and the AHA don't OWN BILLIONS in property DontTreadOnMe Oct 2013 #151

Yeah! Especially when they're guilty of anti-government political speech! Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #157

Anything to say about the, ya know, actual topic? Union Scribe Oct 2013 #162

That's a shame HERVEPA Oct 2013 #132

Even as an atheist, I support the student's choice to express his religion. X_Digger Oct 2013 #135

Thank you for supporting this student's Constitutional right. pnwmom Oct 2013 #155

If he is allowed to otherwise express his faith openly at school, but simply asked to keep JDPriestly Oct 2013 #153

The school's dress code specifically prohibits rosaries, but not any other pnwmom Oct 2013 #156

You're not supposed to wear it, ever. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #163

Faith sure got a lot of fire back then Celefin Oct 2013 #164

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #177

We couldn't wear a rosary around our neck in Catholic school HockeyMom Oct 2013 #178

The Church has no official policy against it, as long as the rosary pnwmom Oct 2013 #181

"In some Catholic ethnic groups this is more frowned upon than in others" NutmegYankee Oct 2013 #187

Too bad they didn't also give him a swat. gulliver Oct 2013 #190

Separation of church & state, not belief, dress code . Render on to orpupilofnature57 Oct 2013 #201

There is no consensus on school dress code issues. LWolf Oct 2013 #202

Even at Catholic school. he might be asked to take it off.. A rosary is NOT jewelry SoCalDem Oct 2013 #203