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nyquil_man

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16. There's a weird undercurrent there, though.

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 02:34 AM

Nov 2013

Many of the theories, especially the ones emphasizing the idea of a coup d'etat, depend on the notion that the government is hyper-competent. We're supposed to believe the government is somehow capable, not only of killing a president but, also, of covering up almost all of the pertinent facts necessary to uncover the true nature of the killing. There is no Ellsberg in the JFK conspiracy, no Snowden, no Manning. There isn't even a John Dean.

If the government can't cover up a 'third-rate burglary' planned and executed by a brigade of CIA spooks, I find it very hard to believe they can cover up a murder.

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CNN Tonight: The Assassination of JFK [View all] stopbush Nov 2013 OP

Its time for folks to accept the facts BootinUp Nov 2013 #1

The special points out that the JFK murder and the skepticism that ensued stopbush Nov 2013 #2

Your points are certainly worth some thought. nt BootinUp Nov 2013 #3

Yep. HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #5

There's a weird undercurrent there, though. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #16

Nothing weird at all. Ellsberg gained classified status. The others in the digital era did, too. ancianita Nov 2013 #94

Quite weird, actually, nyquil_man Nov 2013 #95

Not a single person with classified status could uncover missing physical evidence or interview ancianita Nov 2013 #97

I'll try to pretend you didn't write it. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #98

This is the first time in decades that I've given that event any attention. ancianita Nov 2013 #129

Not the CT's of that time. There's no "obsession" going on. There's the abiding knowledge that truth ancianita Nov 2013 #96

Crazy unsupported nonsense? noise Nov 2013 #6

It is also not supported by one single piece of physical evidence. nt BootinUp Nov 2013 #8

So the magic bullet theory noise Nov 2013 #9

The "magic bullet theory" is a CT lie. Archae Nov 2013 #10

You mean the single bullet fact. Reconstructed BootinUp Nov 2013 #11

The magic bullet theory is a load of bullshit. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #30

Nope. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #38

So you believe the government? BootinUp Nov 2013 #39

heh. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #40

hey, that actually makes sense. nt BootinUp Nov 2013 #43

Well said Spider oswaldactedalone Nov 2013 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #41

When I said it was bullshit, I was referring to the CT "magic" aspect. Not the single bullet theory. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #44

Sorry, you weren't especially clear (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #45

so a bullet shot from above entered JFK's back and exited his neck? scheming daemons Nov 2013 #64

... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #65

Find a photo of JFK shirtless PAMod Nov 2013 #93

Okay, explain what was up with Oswald in Mexico. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #116

he went there, so what? BootinUp Nov 2013 #119

Yeah. So then why was someone impersonating him on the phone to the Soviets and Cubans? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #122

The forensic evidence kills all the conspiracies. longship Nov 2013 #4

Most CT buffs get their forensic training by watching Scooby Doo cartoons. Archae Nov 2013 #12

ouch! that was funny, possibly exaggerated for effect. nt BootinUp Nov 2013 #14

Hey! Let's have no "Scooby Doo" abuse here. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #33

There actually were some good lessons in Scooby Doo, LOL BootinUp Nov 2013 #36

Kasey Kasem was the voice of Shaggy vt_native Nov 2013 #126

After watching the cold case on Nova marlakay Nov 2013 #7

So Johnson hired Oswald as a hitman nyquil_man Nov 2013 #13

I believe Johnson was instrumental in helping to plan JFK's assassination Samantha Nov 2013 #15

In 2013 noise Nov 2013 #17

So when you asked for information in an earlier post BootinUp Nov 2013 #20

It was a rhetorical question noise Nov 2013 #22

That claim you just made suggests you have read the WCR. BootinUp Nov 2013 #23

I did not noise Nov 2013 #24

A 911 truther too eh? BootinUp Nov 2013 #25

Is it ever ok to question the government? noise Nov 2013 #29

Non-Sequitur BootinUp Nov 2013 #31

You associated noise Nov 2013 #34

Since you asked BootinUp Nov 2013 #35

Please don't confuse habitual rejection of reality with questioning authority Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #42

Is it OK to totally ignore evidence and embrace fantasy just because you feel like it? stopbush Nov 2013 #52

And if you read any newspapers, nyquil_man Nov 2013 #26

Mopping up the scene of the crime doesn't take competence. Steering a commission to make ancianita Nov 2013 #100

Okay, let's delve into this. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #102

I wasn't there and I didn't see it. I would like to delve into it. 50 years ago, all I could gather ancianita Nov 2013 #108

And we're back to learned helplessness. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #117

Well, how do you propose I unlearn it? I'll give your suggestions a try. ancianita Nov 2013 #120

It might help to stop acting as though it's impossible to prove you're right. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #121

There is. Opening the National Archives. Re-opening this cold case and allowing digital sleuths to ancianita Nov 2013 #123

That's better. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #124

Setting up classified parameters above their pay grade. It's not as if the commission had ancianita Nov 2013 #127

Well, when you get to restate other people's arguments in such a facile way, Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #27

The problem CT's have is with the evidence processing and lack of transparency and archiving ancianita Nov 2013 #99

You realize that the Warren Commission didn't just produce a single volume report, yes? nyquil_man Nov 2013 #130

Much later I learned that, yes, while involved in single parent and job struggles. ancianita Nov 2013 #131

No, the 26 volumes were released concurrently. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #133

Then I forgot. I was in high school that year, but got a single summary volume when at FSU ancianita Nov 2013 #134

Here's a pretty good resource: nyquil_man Nov 2013 #135

Lets look at a review of that. BootinUp Nov 2013 #18

Lyndon Johnson noise Nov 2013 #19

The single bullet fact I posted is waiting for you above BootinUp Nov 2013 #21

I am just stating opinion not fact marlakay Nov 2013 #48

I think that is a very poor review of the documentation McClellan presents Samantha Nov 2013 #49

The Mac Wallace Fingerprint Found On A Box On The Sixth Floor avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #61

Darby's Affidavit pertaining to the print match is an exhibit in the book Blood, Money & Power Samantha Nov 2013 #63

LBJ feared being dropped from the '64 ticket? stopbush Nov 2013 #87

Are you sure you meant for this reply to be to me? BootinUp Nov 2013 #88

followup BootinUp Nov 2013 #89

Oh, sorry. Yes, I thought it was good that it was brought up and just added my 2¢. stopbush Nov 2013 #90

You need to read about the Bobby Baker scandal... roamer65 Nov 2013 #151

RWers love when liberals accuse LBJ of having JFK killed. stopbush Nov 2013 #51

Yes he did carry out many of JFK's planned programs Samantha Nov 2013 #53

JFK escalated our involvement in Nam from 400 military advisers to over 16,000. stopbush Nov 2013 #54

This is a discussion about JFK's assassination, not the Vietnam war, but to address your point Samantha Nov 2013 #55

I am 59 years old and was subject to the draft, even though the war was winding down. stopbush Nov 2013 #56

+1 BootinUp Nov 2013 #58

I think we can agree to disagree on this Samantha Nov 2013 #60

Just because no one has taken the time to refute utter idiocies stopbush Nov 2013 #66

I do not appreciate your condescending attitude and derisive statements Samantha Nov 2013 #71

For a person who has no qualms about accusing LBJ of planning to have JFK killed, stopbush Nov 2013 #75

You need to be more careful with your words Samantha Nov 2013 #81

I'll watch my words when u stop having your own set of facts. stopbush Nov 2013 #83

There is a HUGE difference between stating an opinion and making a public accusation of guilt Samantha Nov 2013 #85

I have just reread the entire Wikipedia page on the HSCA. Nowhere does it say the HSCA retracted stopbush Nov 2013 #86

Robert Kennedy Jr's story this week contradicts this entirely: mattclearing Nov 2013 #125

RFK Jr was 14 years old when his dad was killed. stopbush Nov 2013 #137

No one is perfect. mattclearing Nov 2013 #138

No one is perfect, but witnesses have been impeached in courts stopbush Nov 2013 #141

Despite all of this, the quotes check out: mattclearing Nov 2013 #144

Speaking of quotes, here's one from JFK's Ft Worth speech the day he was killed: stopbush Nov 2013 #145

Perhaps you think this reflection on past policy negates what I have posted. I don't see how. n/t mattclearing Nov 2013 #146

Past policy? Love how you try to characterize away stopbush Nov 2013 #147

And I love how you keep ignoring the facts and moving the goal posts. mattclearing Nov 2013 #149

I agree with you. roamer65 Nov 2013 #150

Yes, they do Samantha Nov 2013 #154

I don't think LBJ was complicit in anyway. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #28

The fact LBJ put together a blue ribbon commission to investigate is all I need to know... Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #76

Don't forget Clark Clifford. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #32

Nah Ahhuh....It was the BFEE!!! BootinUp Nov 2013 #37

well... zappaman Nov 2013 #46

ha! So I have been wondering BootinUp Nov 2013 #47

Ancient Aliens. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #57

That clown and Anne Burrell go to the same hairdresser. stopbush Nov 2013 #59

yeah buddy reddread Nov 2013 #50

It was, as expected, an MSM promotion of the 'Official Story' which is the real CT. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #62

90% of Americans believed that Saddam had WMD. stopbush Nov 2013 #68

Where did you obtain that figure? Samantha Nov 2013 #72

Harris Poll - November 2004 stopbush Nov 2013 #73

The same Corporate MSM who are pushing the Warren Report also pushed the official sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #82

It was 90% in he Harris Poll I cited. stopbush Nov 2013 #84

Some would like to censor anymore talk about JFK. Rex Nov 2013 #74

Soothing Soma for the Masses Mostly Orbiting Nov 2013 #67

Welcome to DU stopbush Nov 2013 #69

HA! Mostly Orbiting Nov 2013 #70

I believe the shooting itself was done by Oswald alone, Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #77

CNN... and Ted Bundy daycare service upi402 Nov 2013 #91

Guess it's true if the world's largest media conglomerate and their talking heads say it is, then. ancianita Nov 2013 #92

They're just reporting the evidence in the case, stopbush Nov 2013 #106

Yes. The evidence. Living through an event like that and knowing that not all the evidence was made ancianita Nov 2013 #112

RFK said that he had seen all the archives related to the assassination stopbush Nov 2013 #113

CNN is owned by Time Warner, correct? nyquil_man Nov 2013 #114

Heh heh. Sure. Profit allows for a lot of play. They don't have to make up their minds ancianita Nov 2013 #128

When you have the time Google "where was George H. W. Bush when JFK was murdered. Booster Nov 2013 #101

Proves nothing and means even less. stopbush Nov 2013 #105

Didn't even Google it, did ya? lol Booster Nov 2013 #107

Didn't need to. Anybody who has even a cursory interest in this case stopbush Nov 2013 #110

The evidence was altered. As expected in a cover-up. GoneFishin Nov 2013 #103

You're clearly delusional. stopbush Nov 2013 #104

Then why did they need to move it? For fun? n/t GoneFishin Nov 2013 #109

One could make a career informing you CTists of the basic facts in the case. stopbush Nov 2013 #111

You are just making shit up as you go aren't you? GoneFishin Nov 2013 #115

Wrong, Elmer. Go look at the drawings, photos and other evidence in the WCR. stopbush Nov 2013 #118

Really? A letter from Arlen Specter? Your right, I am not going to read more about Arlen Specter. GoneFishin Nov 2013 #132

Wow. Such willing ignorance is a bit astounding. stopbush Nov 2013 #136

Your logic is circular. Arlen Specter was involved in developing the magic bullet theory. GoneFishin Nov 2013 #140

The single bullet fact has been proven over and over again in tests run stopbush Nov 2013 #142

The magic bullet theory is a farce for consumption by the gullible. GoneFishin Nov 2013 #153

It's actually slightly more complicated than that, from what I understand. DanTex Nov 2013 #148

I won't be watching it. RebelOne Nov 2013 #139

Hasn't this been on all week??? RagAss Nov 2013 #143