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jtuck004

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12. What a waste of time, for more than one reason. First, you can't put a computer on the Internet
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 07:25 AM
Nov 2013

today without it being immediately scanned and/or attacked. What is in that article is a very minimal portion of what goes on out there every single day, and any site not designed to account for it would have to be running on a site like "JImmy Joe's Web Hosting and Bait Sales", or at least by people completely ignorant of computer work in this decade. The stuff above is mostly for show, busy work for politicians and others who know nothing about how things really work. The odds that it has any effect on the site at all is probably nill. (Just FYI, there is a whole secret network, classified, behind doors you will never see behind, run by the military, that routes the government stuff, staffed by some of the best network security folks in the world, and they are VERY, VERY good at what they do. The people discussed in this article would have no chance of having the slightest impact on the network they protect, one which is hit by hundreds of attacks from sophisticated, intelligent criminals and curiosity seekers EVERY DAY.) In other words the coverage in the article is mostly sensationalist b.s. Those packets would have been dropped before they ever got there, because it would not have been left up to the project managers responsible for this screwed up implementation. And if they aren't protecting this one, one would have to ask why not?).

Note that any computer on the will see a scan, likely in less than a minute from the time they first hook to the Internet. Leave it on unprotected a few hours and it is almost certain that, if it is a Windows machine, it will be not only compromised but probably used to take part in attacks on others. (Not something you want to test without experience and precautions, btw. Because YOU might be held liable for putting an unprotected machine out there). The majority of the attacks come from overseas, a bit from inside the country. Anyone stupid enough to pick up these alleged tools and run them probably doesn't have the sophistication to realize they are committing a Federal offense, and nowhere near the knowledge to hide their attack, so they might as well put a big sign on their door saying "come arrest me, I'm a big dumbass".

Second, the site is a big pile of steaming shit, so what's the point? It doesn't work without their "attacks", laughable as they are, so why risk committing Federal crimes?

Third, unless things change, it appears that 5 times as many people who were previously uninsurable or are elderly are signing up, and unless that trend undergoes a real and sudden reversal, we should remember that the rates are based on a completely opposite prediction of many more younger, healthier people paying in. If this group, which happens to be suffering from some real unemployment issues - among others at the moment - doesn't jump up and start signing up in droves by the deadline, (which may happen, sure, but the preliminary numbers say it hasn't so far) then those who have already signed up will find their premiums increasing, perhaps a lot. (This possibility was foreseen, which is why there is no upper cap on premiums, just a 10% cap on the amount they can be raised in a year without asking permission. Then again, who is going to deny them permission when they say they will have to close their doors and go bankrupt because the costs are too high?)

If that happens it might just might push us into Medicare for all. With any luck.

I hope JesterCS Nov 2013 #1
I hope so too. This is outrageous. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #3
Exactly, it is RW terrorism, it may not be directly violent, but IMO it is terrorism. Also, RKP5637 Nov 2013 #28
for those of us who desperately need insurance to see a doctor rurallib Nov 2013 #34
I definitely think so ... it's inciting terror. To me, terror can be physical, violent and/or RKP5637 Nov 2013 #36
It's not terrorism. It's cyber-crime. Maedhros Nov 2013 #73
Excellent point and exact! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #74
Thank You agent46 Nov 2013 #76
That's what they charged Anonymous kid with Rockyj Nov 2013 #79
Also a conspiracy and RICO violation? Thanks elehhhhna Nov 2013 #80
I agree. toddwv Nov 2013 #111
The NSA should have been on this Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #85
The first seven words of your post made me stop and think- stlsaxman Nov 2013 #112
Being right wind means sulphurdunn Nov 2013 #17
thanks for naming it for what it is, cyber-terrorism KittyWampus Nov 2013 #44
To them it's not about nice or not nice ffr Nov 2013 #75
"Why can't people be nice?" Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #86
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #2
When people see it, they'll want Medicare for All, not the Repuke status quo n/t eridani Nov 2013 #4
It's not a complete failure. There are a lot of people who are getting affordable LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #6
It isn't a failure at all, not in the slightest meaning of the word. Half-Century Man Nov 2013 #11
You're right, "failure" was too strong a word. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #14
I'm not blaming you for the failure title Half-Century Man Nov 2013 #15
Should be good for 3-5 in a federal penitentiary. Scuba Nov 2013 #5
Absolutely. n/t LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #7
LOL. Didn't you read? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #20
Yup. Track 'em down and lock 'em up. gulliver Nov 2013 #30
Maybe. They are still busting people for using the "anonymous" LOIC against Mastercard, Visa etc seveneyes Nov 2013 #41
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #61
A) Is this provable? annabanana Nov 2013 #8
It's not only proveable, but recordable and traceable. Easily, with the capability of jtuck004 Nov 2013 #13
Actually, it would make it to the site and impact the site. That's where it is discoverable. Coyotl Nov 2013 #42
If it was a Distributed Denial of Service Attack using hijacked computers it can be very hard PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #49
Actually it wouldn't "make it to the site" and neither do the thousands of attacks that happen every jtuck004 Nov 2013 #57
The DoS attack software is being mass distributed, so the requests come in from Anywhere, USA Coyotl Nov 2013 #58
Ok, you can think what you want, but on a modern system the attacks aren't directed at the jtuck004 Nov 2013 #65
When you interact with another computer online, it is a web server. I have a web server. Coyotl Nov 2013 #67
Like I said, think what you want. But that doesn't explain the thousands of security people jtuck004 Nov 2013 #72
Insult and derision. That's real classy. Coyotl Nov 2013 #77
I get anywhere from 2000 to 6000 defacto7 Nov 2013 #82
Exactly. None of these people understand the scope of what goes on out there, nor do they jtuck004 Nov 2013 #96
Absolutely. defacto7 Nov 2013 #97
Yeah... jtuck004 Nov 2013 #98
Your entire argument hinges on this: dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #84
Sigh. Does nobody read anything for themselves any longer? jtuck004 Nov 2013 #95
Haaa.. LOL defacto7 Nov 2013 #101
OK, thanks for trying to explain dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #102
Awww, I'm just irritated by the whole thing. Bunches of people seem to want to grasp at anything and jtuck004 Nov 2013 #109
I get it, not making excuses for the web site dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #110
The problem is that OUR side doesnt control the NSA or anything related to the Patriot Act. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #43
The Director of the NSA is approved by the President. And enforcement of the Patriot Act is PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #53
By law that's true. IMO the spy agencies have more power than the President. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #54
Spy agencies don't have agency. Humans are the actors. Coyotl Nov 2013 #59
Republicons Against America Berlum Nov 2013 #9
I'm soo sick of RW nutters getting away with breaking the law!! Where is the DOJ?? hue Nov 2013 #10
What a waste of time, for more than one reason. First, you can't put a computer on the Internet jtuck004 Nov 2013 #12
Medicare for all would have been the intelligent solution from day 1. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #39
Pretty stupid thing to do. I hope they get caught! B Calm Nov 2013 #16
On the boards I'm active on JackInGreen Nov 2013 #18
I think I'd start with the FBI Cyber Crime Division... Buns_of_Fire Nov 2013 #25
I wonder if a U.S. Attorney will hound the hackers until they are driven to suicide vt_native Nov 2013 #19
Excellent question. truebluegreen Nov 2013 #31
Further proof that Republicans can't win a fair fight mac56 Nov 2013 #21
Why is this not the #1 story on all media this morning malaise Nov 2013 #22
Seriously! nt PasadenaTrudy Nov 2013 #45
What about our adept NSA? Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #23
I think there has been a concerted effort to stop the ACA KrazyinKS Nov 2013 #24
shared RitchieRich Nov 2013 #26
RW hackers attack Healthcare.gov..... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #27
lol. you really did make me laugh out loud. I tried visiting FR maybe twice… it hurt my eyes. KittyWampus Nov 2013 #46
Same here. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #48
I'm shocked, Shocked I tell you! truebluegreen Nov 2013 #29
K&R! Pryderi Nov 2013 #32
The right always resorts to violence and bullying so no surprise. libtodeath Nov 2013 #33
K and R Kingofalldems Nov 2013 #35
Sic the NSA on them. One would think they could track them right down to their loony fingertips RKP5637 Nov 2013 #37
The NSA has a completely different agenda and they dont work for the President. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #55
Domestic terrorists. nt City Lights Nov 2013 #38
Yep, but they don't get called out for it ... n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #40
Exactly. It's infuriating! City Lights Nov 2013 #56
If true, why hasn't Obama addressed this? B2G Nov 2013 #47
It is weird PasadenaTrudy Nov 2013 #50
Publicizing denial of service attacks is a mixed bag, it can ecourage more and make things worse. PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #51
There's no "one thing" wrong BumRushDaShow Nov 2013 #52
I don't know many of the details yet (no time to digest them at the moment) but deutsey Nov 2013 #63
...and these people aren't going to jail becauzzzzz?! uponit7771 Nov 2013 #60
neo confederate sabotage proud patriot Nov 2013 #62
Why hasn't this been all over the news....this is a criminal movonne Nov 2013 #64
let me guess....this will be all over the m$m tonight! right? spanone Nov 2013 #66
I'm not surprised. GoCubsGo Nov 2013 #68
it's a hell of a lot easier to be pissed at Obama, tho. Whisp Nov 2013 #69
again I told you so albino65 Nov 2013 #70
This won't be headline news for one simple reason. Xithras Nov 2013 #71
surprise surpise DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #78
I am not surprised DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #81
K&R Pryderi Nov 2013 #83
They just can't help it. NealK Nov 2013 #87
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #88
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #90
"It's incredible how these thugs manage to stay in power. . ." YOHABLO Nov 2013 #91
Hope they arrest those fuckers! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #89
Catch em... DirtyDawg Nov 2013 #92
I'm SURE the Mainstream Media with Give this Lots of Coverage! chuckstevens Nov 2013 #93
Another Thought chuckstevens Nov 2013 #94
COOOOOOOOME OOON, Why is this not at the top of every news paper and every news segment? Firebrand Gary Nov 2013 #99
Might it be possible it's not "true" in the sense that it's not "true"? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #100
Quelle surprise. n/t area51 Nov 2013 #103
I suspected this emsimon33 Nov 2013 #104
Republicans are not Americans, they are evil selfish fux. tofuandbeer Nov 2013 #105
Reminds me of the IRS Scandal when the Tea Party AND Progressive groups were flagged for SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2013 #106
Seriously? There are conservatives that are smart enough to run a cyber attack??? Amimnoch Nov 2013 #107
Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #108
Has the MSM covered this yet????!!! n/t Pryderi Nov 2013 #113
I'm Shocked MrsChrist Nov 2013 #114
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #115
Welcome to DU Mrs C. Here are two things that may be of help to you: chknltl Nov 2013 #116
correction bukhlaw Feb 2017 #117
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