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Curmudgeoness

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27. I don't see it as inventing facts.

Sat Nov 23, 2013, 07:00 PM

Nov 2013

I see it as not having enough facts either way to make a determination. If you were around at the time, you know that there were a lot of facts that were not brought forward, and there was too much secrecy and things hidden. I just don't have enough facts to be sure that they were not lying to us.

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One last JFK poll just to prove or disprove a theory I have. [View all] Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 OP

Remember, we were alive -- even as kids -- to see the subsequent assassinations villager Nov 2013 #1

Yes. Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #2

+1, and amen! villager Nov 2013 #3

Awesome post. I'd rather reply to it here, than in the other thread. scarletwoman Nov 2013 #8

...we'll never know the truth now..... RobertEarl Nov 2013 #25

Indeed. We needed a fair and open trial for Oswald. scarletwoman Nov 2013 #28

I've never for one moment believed Oswald acted alone spiderpig Nov 2013 #31

Touche! Carolina Nov 2013 #69

Bingo! spiderpig Nov 2013 #85

Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence but three times is enemy action Mr Bond -Auric Goldfinger Fumesucker Nov 2013 #6

Ha, my favorite Bond film. :) Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #7

"No Mr. Bond - I expect you to die" spiderpig Nov 2013 #32

And we were also alive to ohheckyeah Nov 2013 #33

I suspect that a majority of people who aren't old enough to remember... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #4

They don't seem to be weighing in much, though. Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #5

surprising that there are so few young people responding hfojvt Nov 2013 #9

That's why I separated the "older folk" into two categories, Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #11

I was pre-school but I still remember hearing about Kennedy's assassination Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #64

It's not exactly relevant to us, is my stand Scootaloo Nov 2013 #78

Yeah that category treestar Nov 2013 #96

It isn't "dubious." It is FACT. duffyduff Nov 2013 #19

I also knew it was total crap before the Oliver Stone movie. GoneFishin Nov 2013 #34

Exactly. Most people who were around then who were old enough are dead. duffyduff Nov 2013 #18

I cannot imagine anyone 9 yrs old that day Awknid Nov 2013 #83

No. The public has viewed it through a lens of conspiracy for precisely 50 years and one day. nt DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #51

Whether Stone made the film or not, the public discourse has not been presented but authentically ancianita Nov 2013 #99

Greatest Page for you, my dear Blue, and your important poll! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2013 #10

I was only 7 years old when Ruby murdered Oswald live on tv. I saw it, and that is why . . . Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #12

I was a bit older than you, almost nine years old. duffyduff Nov 2013 #17

My family never talked about politics. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #26

My parents argued all the time about politics, mostly because my dad wanted to duffyduff Nov 2013 #36

Amen oswaldactedalone Nov 2013 #59

RELEASE ALL THE EVIDENCE! citizenbfk Nov 2013 #13

This week brought a new convert to the Conspiracy Theory fold. TalkingDog Nov 2013 #14

Mel and Norma Gabler did it. I knew it. n/t duffyduff Nov 2013 #16

A little levity. Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #21

Not true. I was around then. I don't believe any conspiracy at all. duffyduff Nov 2013 #15

I think DU is very representative Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #20

DU is very representative, and some people feel better when they invent their facts. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #22

I don't see it as inventing facts. Curmudgeoness Nov 2013 #27

My father said that Edgar hoover had JFK killed Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #23

Interesting theory. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #24

I was 20 living in south Texas at the time zeemike Nov 2013 #29

Great Poll, Blue !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #30

Kick, I'd like to see more young votes! Agschmid Nov 2013 #35

Added my youngish vote. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #37

Thanks! Agschmid Nov 2013 #40

Yes, please, more young people Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #38

For me it is. Agschmid Nov 2013 #39

Which I might agree with except for all the weirdness in Oswald's background Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #41

Exactly. For a 24 year old, he sure had a alsame Nov 2013 #42

I think people tend to forget just how young he was. Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #43

I do see some issues with that... Agschmid Nov 2013 #44

Jack Ruby was tied to the mob. The thinking is that he was hired to kill Oswald. Awknid Nov 2013 #86

As someone who was born almost 20 years after JFK's tragic and untimely death RFKHumphreyObama Nov 2013 #45

Giving this a kick before I shut down the ol' laptop. scarletwoman Nov 2013 #46

You're probably right about that. Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #47

Yes, they are. scarletwoman Nov 2013 #48

I'm logged in, but can't vote. (why?) I think Oswald was a patsy..... n/t AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2013 #49

And if I may ask your age group? Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #50

63 and older... (I don't know why I can't vote, and I can't recommend either.) AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2013 #54

How about: I'm 62 and was there in Dallas and still don't know. El Supremo Nov 2013 #52

You may be right BainsBane Nov 2013 #53

I think the American public has a fascination with murders and crime. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #56

Because it is personal. I was a small boy, that was the day I learned this fact: Dads can die. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #70

Great post! Yes, for those of us who were old enough to be aware of the JFK assassination scarletwoman Nov 2013 #71

The subsequent assassinations proved only that the right wing is the violent wing, Benton D Struckcheon Nov 2013 #55

That makes sense. Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #57

Hypothesis Android3.14 Nov 2013 #58

Word Nazi? Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #60

Nope. I just love language Android3.14 Nov 2013 #62

Wow, the DU has really been a huge disappointment on this. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #61

How so? Are you really surprised? scarletwoman Nov 2013 #67

I'm actually a little surprised. DanTex Nov 2013 #72

It's not about being "better informed" - DUers are plenty well-informed. scarletwoman Nov 2013 #74

They are clearly not well-informed about the JFK assassination. DanTex Nov 2013 #75

It is what it is. There have been dozens (hundreds?) of posts by DUers over the past week explaining scarletwoman Nov 2013 #79

There is scientifically sound evidence that has been confirmed and reconfirmed many times BootinUp Nov 2013 #76

So, did you vote in the poll? scarletwoman Nov 2013 #81

No I didn't. for the record BootinUp Nov 2013 #82

I.e., given enough time, secrecy & propaganda work? snot Nov 2013 #63

Sunday morning kick - anybody up and online? scarletwoman Nov 2013 #65

Age 56 and not certain; therefore, ambivalent Martin Eden Nov 2013 #66

That makes sense. I think it's an honest choice. (nt) scarletwoman Nov 2013 #68

I agree that makes sense. Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #77

oct posted this great link questionseverything Nov 2013 #89

I became convinced of a conspiracy in '68, when they killed ML King & R Kennedy, CrispyQ Nov 2013 #73

I don't have a "theory". And the ballistics studies shown on this blog.... northoftheborder Nov 2013 #80

..... questionseverything Nov 2013 #91

from that link questionseverything Nov 2013 #92

Interesting age breakdown, eh? scarletwoman Nov 2013 #84

Blue_In_AK I wrote this on Friday: (I've no first-hand recollection of the assassination/ambivalent) Raine1967 Nov 2013 #87

Did Jackie Kennedy or Robert Kennedy or any other member IcyPeas Nov 2013 #88

Here is an interesting article from the Boston Globe on Bobby ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #93

Jackie.... northoftheborder Nov 2013 #94

I was 15 and in high school 50 years ago. SheilaT Nov 2013 #90

How many of them call themselves a patsy? zeemike Nov 2013 #95

Evening kick. scarletwoman Nov 2013 #97

I'm surprised by that, too. Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #98

It doesn't surprise me at all BainsBane Nov 2013 #100

By the end of the decade.... ReRe Nov 2013 #101

Overall DU results are similar to national polls: alsame Nov 2013 #102