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stopbush

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76. Not me. I don't care what you believe. I'm not here to get anyone to buy into anything.

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 03:14 AM

Nov 2013

Compare that to Octafish and the other major DU JFK CTists whose life mission seems to be convincing others that Oswald didn't do it/didn't act alone.

However, I'm not going to let lies and stupidities go unchallenged, whether the subject is RW economic policies or bullshit CTs.

Personally, I find it much more desperate - perhaps pathetic is a better word - when people refuse to read up on the actual evidence in the case, preferring to be led around by the nose by some CTist who has no qualms about distorting and outright lying about the evidence in the case.

As the saying goes, ignorance is bliss.

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So... The Majority Here At DU Think It Was A Conspiracy, As Do A Majority Of Americans... [View all] WillyT Nov 2013 OP

So vocal? The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #1

Its getting to be a lot like Fox's war on Christmas. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #92

You mean like posting 10 different threads about the same thing? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #2

I thought Obama was born on the moon but Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #127

Well, when you repeatedly "call out" people for not sharing your belief... Scootaloo Nov 2013 #3

I Don't Believe I've Ever Told ANYBODY To Stop Posting Their Beliefs, Concerns, Positions, Etc... WillyT Nov 2013 #4

Well, the answer is obvious Scootaloo Nov 2013 #5

Whoa... You Have A Good Night OK ??? WillyT Nov 2013 #6

LOL Scootaloo Nov 2013 #8

Really? If that is how you approach issues, just make stuff up, then it's no wonder sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #13

but others have... Th1onein Nov 2013 #131

The most obvious but unfocused on question is who . . . brush Nov 2013 #7

Of all the errors in this post, I'll pick just one. DanTex Nov 2013 #10

rofl. NT BootinUp Nov 2013 #12

Why kill Oswald then if he was the lone nut? brush Nov 2013 #16

Jack Ruby killed him because he was angry that Oswald shot Kennedy. DanTex Nov 2013 #17

Google Ruby brush Nov 2013 #24

So thats what you consider a reputable source? BootinUp Nov 2013 #25

To believe, imo, that Oswald killed Kennedy . . . brush Nov 2013 #27

I don't claim to know what was in either man's mind. BootinUp Nov 2013 #31

Believe the single shooter thing if you want brush Nov 2013 #34

My dear brush BootinUp Nov 2013 #37

Where is the evidence of that? BlueStreak Nov 2013 #52

CE399 The so called magic bullet BootinUp Nov 2013 #56

Nonsense. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #65

Oh boy. I feel like Sam Beckett, when he just leaped into another person. BootinUp Nov 2013 #68

I went and looked for the latest info on ballistics etc BootinUp Nov 2013 #83

Briefly. DanTex Nov 2013 #57

Thanks for presenting the facts - saved me the time. stopbush Nov 2013 #58

I continue to be shocked at just how few facts the CTers are actually aware of. DanTex Nov 2013 #61

Actually, they are willfully and blissfully unaware of the facts in the JFK case. stopbush Nov 2013 #63

Its a conspiracy of ignorance. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #64

Since you ignored my last question, let's try round 2. DanTex Nov 2013 #32

And why not kill Oswald before the police catch him. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #128

Yes, if you google hard enough you can eventually find a website that says whatever you want. DanTex Nov 2013 #26

What factual matter do you have that Oswald killed Kennedy alone but the Warren Commission? brush Nov 2013 #30

All of the testimony and the evidence on record, and with the findings DanTex Nov 2013 #33

Sure, sure. Keep believing it if you want. brush Nov 2013 #35

Yes, that's what I do in the face of conclusive evidence. DanTex Nov 2013 #38

The Warren Commission did not have factual evidence that Oswald acted alone Samantha Nov 2013 #59

The Mac Wallace story is a fraud concocted by conspiracy theorists. DanTex Nov 2013 #67

Bugliosi is full of it. eomer Nov 2013 #91

No, you are full of it. DanTex Nov 2013 #93

Read Bugliosi's confused account as many times as you'd like, it's still wrong. eomer Nov 2013 #95

OK then. It's been a interesting trip down the rabbit hole... DanTex Nov 2013 #96

Bugliosi claims it was a palm print compared with a fingerprint, Darby says it was two fingerprints eomer Nov 2013 #106

Sigh. Bugliosi is saying that the prints that Darby matched were not the unidentified latent prints DanTex Nov 2013 #113

So you're sticking to your story that a fingerprint expert found a 14-point match eomer Nov 2013 #120

LOL. When proven run the conspiracy nut runs and hides. DanTex Nov 2013 #122

When you've made an ass of yourself, claim victory! eomer Nov 2013 #126

I usually agree with Vincent Bugliosi but not this time Samantha Nov 2013 #121

His intention was to demonstrate that the conspiracy theorists did not actually DanTex Nov 2013 #124

First of all, Barr McClellan was one of Johnson's attorneys, not some remote conspiracy theorist Samantha Nov 2013 #148

He was most definitely a conspiracy theorist. DanTex Nov 2013 #153

He was a member of Johnson's legal team and had inside information Samantha Nov 2013 #155

Tell you what. DanTex Nov 2013 #156

I am impressed Samantha Nov 2013 #160

Oh Dear BootinUp Nov 2013 #161

ONE photocopy of a cardboard-box print was claimed to match a photocopy struggle4progress Nov 2013 #140

Wallace was murdered in 1971 as a result of his exhaust being rigged Samantha Nov 2013 #149

It's speculation reported as fact. If you want to complain about the general atmosphere in Texas struggle4progress Nov 2013 #150

Actually, five separate government investigations came to the same conclusion as the WC. stopbush Nov 2013 #66

5 seperate investigations? brush Nov 2013 #69

So I stood up and told that teachin' lady... The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #71

They were all based on the evidence. stopbush Nov 2013 #72

There sure seem to be a lot of people . . . brush Nov 2013 #73

Maybe some of them have been paid, not me though, lol. BootinUp Nov 2013 #74

That's because before the JFK assassination... The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #75

Not me. I don't care what you believe. I'm not here to get anyone to buy into anything. stopbush Nov 2013 #76

We'll agree to disagree. Please continue with the buy-in campaign. nt brush Nov 2013 #81

You are not disagreeing with people. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #84

Wonder what the Kennedy family thinks about your position? nt brush Nov 2013 #89

Try this link . . . brush Nov 2013 #152

Interesting, yes. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #154

Enjoy your ignorance-is-bliss non-review of the evidence. stopbush Nov 2013 #85

Wonder what the Kennedy family thinks about your position? nt brush Nov 2013 #90

Depends which generation of Kennedys you ask. stopbush Nov 2013 #116

His son has recently expressed doubt about the lone shooter theory. nt brush Nov 2013 #135

That would be RFK Jr, the zealous spokesman for the "vaccines cause autism" claque, stopbush Nov 2013 #136

Don't think he's the only in the family . . . brush Nov 2013 #138

You cited him as a source, not me, so why go off on the "family' tangent? stopbush Nov 2013 #139

I cited the family first . . . oh, never mind. Seems we're both talking to our respective choir. brush Nov 2013 #141

Shame On You !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #142

Thanks for the humor. eom stopbush Nov 2013 #143

Yeah... You're One Funny... WillyT Nov 2013 #144

Try this link . . . brush Nov 2013 #151

Desperation is the right word. Rex Nov 2013 #98

Jack Ruby's statements before and after killing Oswald disprove your claim stopbush Nov 2013 #77

Says the poster with the most threads on the subject. lol. BootinUp Nov 2013 #9

I think it's the other way around when it comes to being vocal and sensitive. Kaleva Nov 2013 #11

My problem with the whole thing is they locked up everything for 75 years. That tells me shraby Nov 2013 #14

People keep saying this and it is not true. Please inform yourself and stop spreading misinformation The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #15

Ah, Young One... You Spread Yourself Obviously Thin... WillyT Nov 2013 #20

Mmm...spread thin...like the glaze on a Krispy Kreme. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #21

Another "fact" that is repeated but in fact has no basis. grantcart Nov 2013 #19

I remember when they did it. That's exactly how it was presented and stuff is still shraby Nov 2013 #158

What you remember is somebody saying that, but it was never true. grantcart Nov 2013 #163

Yup, strange that the ol' U.S. guvimment had to lock it up for so damned long. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #79

You are aware that most people who have looked at the scientific grantcart Nov 2013 #18

Seriously ??? - "Bugliosi's Work" ??? WillyT Nov 2013 #22

Even if you mocked him like that a hundred thousand times BootinUp Nov 2013 #23

Unless you can honestly tell us that you yourself have read Bugliosi's book, stopbush Nov 2013 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #28

What I find interesting is that they will not acknowledge the possibility that others helped Oswald Jetboy Nov 2013 #29

Yes, it's possible. But zero evidence has been found to suggest that. DanTex Nov 2013 #36

IT'S POSSIBLE Jetboy Nov 2013 #39

OK, now your turn. DanTex Nov 2013 #40

I believe that it is likely that LHO shot Kennedy, Jetboy Nov 2013 #42

It is extremely unlikely that Oswald had help. DanTex Nov 2013 #48

Yes, it is possible. Jetboy Nov 2013 #51

Since we're treating each other with respect... DanTex Nov 2013 #55

Whenever I've thought about the afterlife, the first thing I always think of is learning what really Jetboy Nov 2013 #88

Conspiracy theorists rarely ask good questions. greyl Nov 2013 #43

Responding indicates that you believe there is a chance that LHO Jetboy Nov 2013 #47

There's no evidence LHO had help in the way I think you mean, greyl Nov 2013 #82

I have one point and one point only and that is that it is VERY reasonable to believe that LHO Jetboy Nov 2013 #86

That indicates it was an example of dishonest argumentation from a conspiracy theory fan, right? greyl Nov 2013 #157

'What evidence makes you so certain that LHO had help?' Jetboy Nov 2013 #159

In a very real way, JFK helped Oswald kill JFK. stopbush Nov 2013 #78

They can't. As soon as you entertain that possibility, the whole Warren Theory crashes down. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #94

Specific to point 2 BlueStreak Nov 2013 #100

Here, then. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #102

In other words. NONE of them was successful BlueStreak Nov 2013 #111

Where do you come up with this bogus "1.66 seconds"? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #114

That is the time between the second and third shot BlueStreak Nov 2013 #118

No it wasn't? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #123

There shouldn't be any controversy about the timing. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #133

There is no controversy about the timing. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #134

1.66 seconds! LOL! DanTex Nov 2013 #130

Really? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #101

as to "moving target" jberryhill Nov 2013 #132

LOL! So you are saying we are like most Americans? Rex Nov 2013 #41

Same reason the same people were apoplectic about Snowden. They are authoritarians. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #44

Exactly. polichick Nov 2013 #45

Jeezus people! We are through the looking glass here! The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #50

As I was saying, authoritarians. Attack anybody who questions authority. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #53

No. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #54

You've got that backwards. DanTex Nov 2013 #60

Most of this BS is not "questioning" anything. Silent3 Nov 2013 #97

Not really, no, it's more like this: Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #129

Exactly! The very reason the DU forum was started for! Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #137

It makes me wonder why they are here at all BlueStreak Nov 2013 #147

Evidence colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #46

What about this evidence? The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #49

"I know the right acquires operatives to dispute liberal claims on message boards..." Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #87

Let's pick one of those - "the three tramps" jberryhill Nov 2013 #104

Charles Harrelson, HockeyMom Nov 2013 #107

The Dallas police records identified all three jberryhill Nov 2013 #109

A majority of Americans believed Saddam had WMD. stopbush Nov 2013 #62

Actually that was polled republicans that believed in WMD. Rex Nov 2013 #99

A Harris Poll taken in Nov 2004 found that 90% of Americans stopbush Nov 2013 #108

Funny cannot find that poll in their vault. Rex Nov 2013 #110

Probably right. Try searching on "Harris Poll Nov 2004 Saddam." You'll probably stopbush Nov 2013 #112

The vault might be limited, it is not in there. Rex Nov 2013 #115

Try this: stopbush Nov 2013 #117

'Would have made WMD' and 'believed he had WMD' are two different things completely. Rex Nov 2013 #119

Correct. stopbush Nov 2013 #125

I do! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #70

A majority of Americans also believe ghosts, God, Jesus, and angels are real. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #103

+1 jberryhill Nov 2013 #105

Yeah... I Know... How Stupid ARE Those People ??? WillyT Nov 2013 #145

Unicorns, aliens... I know a Republican upi402 Nov 2013 #162

Gatekeepers, Hall Monitors, Know-it-alls... whatchamacallit Nov 2013 #146