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moriah

(8,311 posts)
133. While the smoking probably didn't help matters, there's no indication it *caused* the condition.
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 09:33 PM
Dec 2013

At least in the OP.

I might be wrong.

You know what I can't believe ? Bonx Dec 2013 #1
This is why they don't waste hearts on smokers: XemaSab Dec 2013 #61
Why can't alcoholics get a liver transplant? NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #136
Pretty much. Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #178
Sorry to hear about that, DI. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #179
Thanks... Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #182
Yours is the answer to the question above. AuntFester Dec 2013 #63
Welcome to DU! BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #181
SMoking makes the blood "stick" increasing chances of clot formation. SharonAnn Dec 2013 #113
And his cardiologist is doing this: Brigid Dec 2013 #127
If she changes her name to CHeney she can smoke during surgery elehhhhna Dec 2013 #2
Are you aware that Cheney waited far longer on the list than average? Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #158
i think there are many restrictions liked this because there are limited number of hearts available JI7 Dec 2013 #3
I understand.... FarPoint Dec 2013 #5
this may sound harsh and it probably is but i am very curious JI7 Dec 2013 #8
I think it is related to her poor social group. FarPoint Dec 2013 #17
either way it's sad for her daughter, i hope things still end up being ok JI7 Dec 2013 #33
I do not know if the 1 year old has the condition.... FarPoint Dec 2013 #35
I still don't think it's fair OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #140
When they are desperate for an organ, people can muster up all sorts of good behavior. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #159
Yeah I understand that there are risks associated OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #160
That is the unfortunate reality with organ transplantation. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #162
No...and I never asked. FarPoint Dec 2013 #57
It is very sad. But there are other young people waiting for hearts pnwmom Dec 2013 #54
It's not just the addiction. Smokers don't heal as well. Walk away Dec 2013 #60
It is sad, but not policy meant to be punitive, but to ensure such a rare & invaluable resource hlthe2b Dec 2013 #82
seems reasonable... handmade34 Dec 2013 #4
What is sad is that the girl did not avebury Dec 2013 #6
Youth has it's unfortunate characteristic of denials....we all have had our share... FarPoint Dec 2013 #9
You sound as though you are a disciple of "The Secret". TheDebbieDee Dec 2013 #15
if you throw a ball in the air it isn't a matter of "deserving" to have it fall on your head. KittyWampus Dec 2013 #29
What I believe in is the saying that those who do not avebury Dec 2013 #36
I do not see it as Karma, nor judging, it is simple mathematics and physiology Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #51
LOL! JVS Dec 2013 #78
I wasn't endorsing The Secret either..... TheDebbieDee Dec 2013 #83
I agree with you completely. JVS Dec 2013 #85
Oh, well maybe I should have used bad vibes instead of bad karma..... TheDebbieDee Dec 2013 #87
The book does NOT say that people DESERVE bad things. Ino Dec 2013 #103
Whatever.............. TheDebbieDee Dec 2013 #107
What deserving recipient would see denied a transplant so that this woman could get one? Marr Dec 2013 #121
While the smoking probably didn't help matters, there's no indication it *caused* the condition. moriah Dec 2013 #133
According to what came out over the thread, avebury Dec 2013 #145
Wait! Her father dies of a cardiac problem Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #7
That is easy to say at the moment.... FarPoint Dec 2013 #10
I have no doubt that it is heartbreaking Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #14
She is a kid for cripes sake. Good grief. Mojorabbit Dec 2013 #12
21 is not a kid Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #16
Yes it is. Demit Dec 2013 #21
And unicorns are real Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #24
She's learning the hard way? Your compassion knows no bounds. nt babylonsister Dec 2013 #28
I feel bad for her but she put herself in this predicament Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #30
What are you, twenty-two? Demit Dec 2013 #69
So at what age should people be responsible for their choices in life? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #76
I'll let you know when I get there. Chan790 Dec 2013 #96
When it comes to smoking 21 ChazII Dec 2013 #111
Except when you develop the habit in your OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #149
for some people, never Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #157
Spoken like a GOP committee chairman. n/t Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #77
Anyone Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #86
I find that worldview cold and a bit cruel. n/t Chan790 Dec 2013 #95
Who should be denied a heart so a girl Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #97
I know. I really do. The callousness of it irritates me. Chan790 Dec 2013 #105
I totally agree with you - I can't believe the remarks on this thread Samantha Dec 2013 #112
That's why she has been given six months fujiyama Dec 2013 #169
But it's not a punishment or judgement or anything, just basic medical triage. cemaphonic Dec 2013 #118
21 is plenty old enough to understand the dangers of smoking. Brigid Dec 2013 #130
From your description, it's clear you didn't start smoking b/c you found it unpleasant. Demit Dec 2013 #146
Everybody coughs and chokes on their first cigarette, that's nothing new OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #150
Um, yes it is. n t Mojorabbit Dec 2013 #23
Not in the real world Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #26
our brains are not fully developed until we're 25 dflprincess Dec 2013 #102
Soooo why is it legal to sell her cigs or booze? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #126
Are you suggesting... Foolacious Dec 2013 #131
I'm not the one arguing a 21yr old is a kid Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #132
You must be the rare person who never made a stupid move when young dflprincess Dec 2013 #135
It's old enough to know smoking isn't smart when Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #137
She started smoking younger than 21 OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #148
Further down this thread it is avebury Dec 2013 #98
You should put that on a Hallmark card and send it to her to better assuage her discomfort. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #123
She's learning a lesson Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #125
I think if a little psychic birdie told her OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #147
No substance abuse beyond cigarettes malaise Dec 2013 #11
I understand.... FarPoint Dec 2013 #19
Well given the volume of propaganda she may have felt they were harmless malaise Dec 2013 #22
The Surgeon General's report about smoking SheilaT Dec 2013 #106
It's bad for you to eat too much sugar, fat and calories OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #153
No - they don't operate that way. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #171
you will be rejected for smoking Cannibis, mitchtv Dec 2013 #187
LOL malaise Dec 2013 #188
You know what the irony is for me in all this? As a medical provider? Aristus Dec 2013 #13
That is a rationale.... FarPoint Dec 2013 #25
Nicotine is addictive, no? Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #47
She has been treated for cardiac as a child FarPoint Dec 2013 #56
To some people, if a parent enforces discipline they are an authoritarian FrodosPet Dec 2013 #93
I started smoking when I was 14. Hardly an age to make rational decisions, Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #68
Many of my childhood friends had disabling respiratory conditions by their 40s. Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #74
I did too and it took almost 40 years of trying to finally quit. Mojorabbit Dec 2013 #101
Nicotine has an effect on the vascular system. dballance Dec 2013 #18
I can accept that rationale much better. FarPoint Dec 2013 #27
Thanl you for a rational reason and for not blaming the victim csziggy Dec 2013 #55
I have a relative who needs a liver but he's an alcoholic. Nine Dec 2013 #20
Now I don't struggle with this guideline for the liver due to alcholol so much. FarPoint Dec 2013 #32
now you seem to be the one treating the restrictions as punitive magical thyme Dec 2013 #164
I can relate to this one. Bohunk68 Dec 2013 #70
Addiction of any kind is a terrible thing. Nine Dec 2013 #79
There is a reason the standards are high. They want those who have the best chance, and smokers are lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #31
Oh, I hope you are right about her survival. FarPoint Dec 2013 #34
I do too. There are inequities in the system, and we all have heard of those such as David Crosby lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #40
Yea...such individuals came to mind FarPoint Dec 2013 #45
As hard as it is for you to believe right now, this isn't a punitive measure riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #37
Whoa....that make so much sense! FarPoint Dec 2013 #42
Smoking babylonsister Dec 2013 #38
Hey DU'ers....I feel better now... FarPoint Dec 2013 #39
What a travesty CFLDem Dec 2013 #41
The post-op regimen is difficult enough without Ilsa Dec 2013 #43
Your right... FarPoint Dec 2013 #53
how long is the waiting list? 0rganism Dec 2013 #44
I sense if she gets thru the six months she indeed FarPoint Dec 2013 #49
well, the best of luck to her 0rganism Dec 2013 #52
The list isn't a queue. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #172
That's awful LittleBlue Dec 2013 #46
It's sad, and a shitty situation. But it's logical. RedCappedBandit Dec 2013 #48
I can't believe tabasco Dec 2013 #50
I'm working on it. FarPoint Dec 2013 #59
Different transplant centers have different standards. pnwmom Dec 2013 #58
Thank you for the link.... FarPoint Dec 2013 #62
That is the one of three advantages people with resources have - Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #173
Oh...I don't know either FarPoint Dec 2013 #65
Liver transplants due to Cirrhosis Texasgal Dec 2013 #64
Oh my.... FarPoint Dec 2013 #66
He needs it badly Texasgal Dec 2013 #84
To be fair, I wouldn't accept a lung, kidney, or liver transplant. I did my own damage. FMalone Dec 2013 #67
Thing is many organ people Texasgal Dec 2013 #92
Yep. Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #174
I don't think most people know Texasgal Dec 2013 #176
I had a friend, age 72-74, who needed a lung transplant. lob1 Dec 2013 #71
I am so sorry for the loss of your friend. FarPoint Dec 2013 #73
Unfortunately, since the supply of organs is SheilaT Dec 2013 #108
That's what happened with my step dad RAFREE Dec 2013 #152
I remember this being discussed on a television show once. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #72
Your right.... FarPoint Dec 2013 #75
no, no you don't 4 t 4 Dec 2013 #88
Some of us who have been sharing information Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #175
Can't she get a pacemaker or something short of a transplanted heart? JVS Dec 2013 #80
She already has a pacemaker and defibrillator. FarPoint Dec 2013 #91
She has a pacemaker and a defibrillator and just quit smoking 40 days ago??" tammywammy Dec 2013 #99
Its science. Nicotine is a risk factor. GeorgeGist Dec 2013 #81
I remember both my parents smoking as I grew up, littlewolf Dec 2013 #89
They should make an exception in this case. egduj Dec 2013 #90
Sad situation, but it's not an unreasonable standard. WillowTree Dec 2013 #94
Transplant organs are in short supply. You can't get one if you're trying to kill yourself. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #100
A thought...cigarettes are around $5 a pack, so a 2-pack a day smoker spends $300 a month. libdem4life Dec 2013 #104
It is amazing how much they cost. SheilaT Dec 2013 #109
Not so much necessarily Ino Dec 2013 #114
That much difference? Last time I almost passed out watcing somebody buying them in California libdem4life Dec 2013 #128
My friends made their own cigarettes Mariana Dec 2013 #138
My aunt starting smoking those OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #154
It's the transplant list in general. xmas74 Dec 2013 #110
There's another major reason for the prohibition that hasn't been mentioned yet. Xithras Dec 2013 #115
Your explanation OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #156
I'm a transplant nurse ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #116
Cigarette smoking causes heart disease in healthy hearts. I'm sorry, but that is a fact. Hekate Dec 2013 #117
There are similar standards in place for drinking and liver transplants in my country. sibelian Dec 2013 #119
Maybe instead of using this thread as yet another opportunity to shit on smokers SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #120
But how would that feed my sense of righteousness? Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #122
I assume you are referring to posthumous donations. I don't care to donate my heart totodeinhere Dec 2013 #139
It is possible to donate a portion of your liver dflprincess Dec 2013 #141
Thanks. I'll add that to my "learn something new every day" file. n/t totodeinhere Dec 2013 #143
Seriously? SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #155
Yes I did. Do you have a problem with that? n/t totodeinhere Dec 2013 #161
No not at all. Just confused as to why someone would think SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #165
I know you wouldn't advocate it, but there are moments.... moriah Dec 2013 #167
+1000 dflprincess Dec 2013 #142
There aren't enough hearts available for transplant . . . markpkessinger Dec 2013 #124
She is friggen 21 years old? HockeyMom Dec 2013 #129
Does it matter when she started? JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2013 #134
Uh, actually, yeah, it does. Pack/years are how exposure is measured. moriah Dec 2013 #166
You're right. "Good on her" for quitting. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2013 #184
Thank you. moriah Dec 2013 #163
The Level RobinA Dec 2013 #144
Believe it. They already fredamae Dec 2013 #151
"MedCanna"? Medical Marijuana? JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2013 #183
Under Fed Law fredamae Dec 2013 #186
You have to keep in mind that this rule isn't put in place for moralizing purposes fujiyama Dec 2013 #168
If we had an infinite supply of hearts, that would be unconscionable Recursion Dec 2013 #170
It's not that frightening Warpy Dec 2013 #177
They refused a friend of mine because he was gay. They did not say it that way, they said he led a appleannie1 Dec 2013 #180
Seems reasonable. A lifestyle change is a small price to pay for a second chance at life. n/t AngryOldDem Dec 2013 #185
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