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rhett o rick

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39. I think your assumptions are off. Criticism of the surveillance state is a criticism of the
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 08:45 PM
Dec 2013

spy agencies. Pres Obama has no effect on them. When he came into office he was told to keep his hands off the spy agencies. They are the same agencies, same policies, same leaders that where under Bush.

Ah wouldnt it be wonderful if Pres Obama had the power to fire Gen Clapper.

You see the choice is that either Pres Obama is in bed with the conservatives and their surveillance state, or he doesnt have the power to fight them.

You should have noticed that the Repubicans, as much as they hate Pres Obama, dont object to his appointments of Gen Clapper, Gen Alexander, John Brennan, or James Comey. The Repubicans dont object when the President extends the Patriot Act, or domestic spying. The Republicans dont object when he authorizes indefinite detention.

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #1
Dear Juan: Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #2
K&R woo me with science Dec 2013 #3
I just can not figure this president out... pangaia Dec 2013 #4
But we don't live in a police state.. sendero Dec 2013 #5
I agree with the above posters. zeemike Dec 2013 #6
He is POTUS! He has the Bully Pulpit! Dustlawyer Dec 2013 #16
Perhaps he just wants to live. zeemike Dec 2013 #32
You could be right. I would say trillions though. Dustlawyer Dec 2013 #45
We need someone who puts people first. tblue Dec 2013 #49
You have described dotymed Dec 2013 #52
^^ this ^^ TBF Dec 2013 #51
Secret Police. Secret Courts. Secret Government. Octafish Dec 2013 #7
Really? Because the NSA retains copies of telecom data, dissent is impossible? randome Dec 2013 #8
Does it really stop there? colorado_ufo Dec 2013 #10
We don't. We can only go by what we know so far. randome Dec 2013 #19
it provides way too much leverage to executives that won't be as saintly as Obama nashville_brook Dec 2013 #37
Yes. Because the NSA retains copies of the telecom data, dissent is impossible. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #20
Nervous about what? randome Dec 2013 #22
Some dissenters will be easily cowed and some may not, it's a numbers game. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #25
well said kpete Dec 2013 #30
The NSA has all the data on your communications and can link them to the communications JDPriestly Dec 2013 #26
Copying the telecom's records makes some sense to me. randome Dec 2013 #27
Getting a warrant is quite easy. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #36
What you say..... Blus4u Dec 2013 #29
Lol! I chuckle everytime you trot out Bernstein. As tho his evaluation outweighs Gore, Kerry riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #28
The NSA is nothing compared to plain old journalism treestar Dec 2013 #56
And the courts disproportionately punish activists. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #31
Once again you come to the defense of the authoritarian state. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #38
There's plenty of dissent right here treestar Dec 2013 #55
K&R for wider exposure. bvar22 Dec 2013 #9
nice post bvar! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2013 #11
Great find, kpete, thanks! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2013 #12
This amounts to a huge ProSense Dec 2013 #13
I think that is part of Obama's problem in dealing with this overly zealous security apparatus JDPriestly Dec 2013 #23
I think your assumptions are off. Criticism of the surveillance state is a criticism of the rhett o rick Dec 2013 #39
Wait, ProSense Dec 2013 #41
We havent lost all dissent yet. But Occupy proved that those in Power will go to rhett o rick Dec 2013 #42
What ProSense Dec 2013 #43
Let me try a different approach. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #44
The comment ProSense Dec 2013 #46
Good grief. You have no argument here. You want to claim you are only pointing out what you rhett o rick Dec 2013 #47
I made no friggin "assumption." ProSense Dec 2013 #48
The idea that dissent is suppressed is so absolutely hilarious treestar Dec 2013 #57
K&R!! G_j Dec 2013 #14
"potential for making dissent impossible" gulliver Dec 2013 #15
LOL. And your point is what?? nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #40
The irony in the comments on this OP dissenting with policy while claiming they cant is unbelievable stevenleser Dec 2013 #54
Brilliant commentary on the NSA spying. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #17
It's really not a problem. If you don't say anything against the regime, you're safe. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #18
As we know in Madison, POLITICAL CONTROL OF POLICE is an essential element HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #21
This is a must read. jsr Dec 2013 #24
Our government HAS abused the power that comes with information, & WILL CONTINUE snot Dec 2013 #33
The intent is not to keep "us" safe. tblue Dec 2013 #50
Thank you Juan Cole..perfectly stated. K&R Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #34
I'm reccing this for Big Brother BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #35
We all know how expensive "talk" is. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #53
Quite clearly, Mr Obama has already chosen... 99Forever Dec 2013 #58
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