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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
40. I do not submit to these premises.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:57 PM
Dec 2013

This is only true in a country where no opposition party exists, the mass media have been monopolized by capital, and all acceptable discourse is narrowed to this right-wing range you describe--because the logic you describe is self-fulfilling.

No one with a platform ever puts forth the alternatives because the alternatives can't win, and they can't win because no one with a platform dares to put them forth for long enough.

It is a failure of the Democrats for never representing an opposition to the dominant politics, let alone pushing it with consistency.

"Americans" are not an inert mass that never changes. They have moved massively to the left over the last 20 years, but no one gives them that alternative. They would respond differently at the polls if they were consistently given at least a social democratic alternative over these same decades, instead of the kind of bullshit realpolitik that decided in advance to foreclose on a single-payer health care system on the European model (and call it that! and do so for years!). They would respond differently if they could also drop the poisonous self-defeating thinking that you are propagating (this is the way things are, choose the lesser evil).

What they see is that Democrats are the party of NAFTA and TPP, bank bailouts just like the Republicans', kinder-gentler wars than the Republicans', slightly less corruption than the Republicans, fundraising from corporate sponsors just like the Republicans, and moderately less crazy shit than the Tea Party and the fundamentalists. And the Democratic leaderships have prevented the party from doing better or following its base.

The majority of the people are kept demobilized by the unrelenting lack of choice, they believe there is no point to "politics." If you're going to point to the election results in such an environment as an empirical observation that you fashion into some function of inevitable fate, then at least deal with this empirical observation too: the vast majority are of the opinion that "politicians, they're all the same." Why? Whose fault is that?

no firsttimer Dec 2013 #1
nope Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #2
No painesghost Dec 2013 #3
I prefer someone else but would fully support her if she won nomination. JaneyVee Dec 2013 #4
I would also, but would not be happy about having to do it. n/t painesghost Dec 2013 #6
Agree. Agschmid Dec 2013 #15
She is not my first choice SteveG Dec 2013 #5
Warren or Clinton. But Warren isn't running, for President anyway. onehandle Dec 2013 #7
Hillary said she's not running, either MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #10
When did she say she was not running? Control-Z Dec 2013 #12
For example... MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #16
I want to know what her possible mr_liberal Dec 2013 #8
No way in hell LittleBlue Dec 2013 #9
The results of this poll are.. striking MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #11
I truly hope you are right! n/t painesghost Dec 2013 #13
Ah, you forget: we're not representative of the Democratic party. winter is coming Dec 2013 #14
I agree. Agschmid Dec 2013 #17
! MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #18
I think you're confusing "DUers" with "Americans". Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2013 #25
A stock excuse for right wing politics. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #33
National elections over the last 20 years say I'm not. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2013 #37
I do not submit to these premises. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #40
These polls often show a disconnect between DU and Dems in general. Kaleva Dec 2013 #28
In this case, perhaps not. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #35
Nah, this is DU dude. joshcryer Dec 2013 #29
Wow, it's DU. I hadn't noticed. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #36
There is a Hillary or Elizabeth poll on the link below Tx4obama Dec 2013 #19
Thanks TX! joshcryer Dec 2013 #30
Nnnnnope. Not on her BEST day. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #20
Prefer someone else, not because I dislike the Clintons... politichew Dec 2013 #21
Absolutely not. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #22
I'd prefer Bernie Sanders, but I'd settle for Warren if she's nominated. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #23
Yumyumyumyum alcibiades_mystery Dec 2013 #24
No Support Here - The Country Does Not Need A Corporate Democrat In The White House cantbeserious Dec 2013 #26
2014 2014 2014 2014 gtar100 Dec 2013 #27
Sure. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #31
President gets air on a national board because it is a national election. TheKentuckian Dec 2013 #39
k&r for Elizabeth Warren. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #32
She's inevitable I tell ya. The 1% will tremble and fear us once again thanks to her! L0oniX Dec 2013 #34
I need real choices before I commit to vote for someone. I would certainly vote Clinton if she is Rowdyboy Dec 2013 #38
I refuse to support any Third Way candidate. That means Hillary Clinton. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #41
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