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Dash87

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91. Fair enough, but I think your last point is a little different.
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 02:41 PM
Dec 2013

If a doctor prescribes you something (birth control or pain medication), then isn't it the pharmacist's job to give it to you, granted that there's a valid medical reason for doing so and it won't hurt or kill the recipient? Religion or personal reasons aren't really legitimate reasons to deny somebody medication, as it's their job to dispense medication to those that need it. If they aren't willing to do their job, then they shouldn't be doing it.

I agree etherealtruth Dec 2013 #1
So you don't mind being discriminated against my staff in a grocery store? Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #3
What? Surely, you jest ...? etherealtruth Dec 2013 #15
And it is your right to not work for a bar that allows smoking joeglow3 Dec 2013 #247
How does my logic change? etherealtruth Dec 2013 #250
Waiting .... etherealtruth Dec 2013 #255
Would you support their right to discriminate against gay customers? Hugabear Dec 2013 #111
What in the world are you talking about etherealtruth Dec 2013 #113
If it makes you feel any better drm604 Dec 2013 #154
Well, it was unclear enough for two people to not understand my intent. etherealtruth Dec 2013 #155
I think the ambiguity was because a word was missing. pnwmom Dec 2013 #194
Yep etherealtruth Dec 2013 #202
I'm still thinking WTF. Your writing seems clear to me. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2013 #219
thanks. My personal rule for this kind of communication etherealtruth Dec 2013 #243
Your post was perfectly clear. I am constantly amazed at how often people tblue37 Dec 2013 #275
Thanks etherealtruth Dec 2013 #279
I notice that those who jumped on you didn't bother to apologize--or to respond at all-- tblue37 Dec 2013 #284
That is par for the course etherealtruth Dec 2013 #285
This is the inevitable result of giving one religious group that privilege. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #2
This is the UK Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #5
Right, but you understand my point? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #8
Yes, but I don't like it. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #10
I agree. We shouldn't allow this type of thing. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #11
There's no "we" involved. Igel Dec 2013 #77
we used to shop at the hippy dippy grocer and I had a vegan refuse to serve me meat NightWatcher Dec 2013 #4
That was one little store Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #7
Why the hell was she working in a deli? Orrex Dec 2013 #16
they sell all kinds of veggie tempeh tofu... dishes NightWatcher Dec 2013 #18
She "couldn't touch meat" because she was a vegan? Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #125
Well if she was vegan for moral reasons, it makes perfect sense. Ash_F Dec 2013 #199
They put a vegan in the DELI? jmowreader Dec 2013 #204
Probably she was covering for a regular Ash_F Dec 2013 #294
How the fuck does this work. edhopper Dec 2013 #6
They should have a no pork or liqueur line. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #9
Excuse me customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #74
I agree. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #88
Yet another to add to my WTF list for today. It makes absolutely no sense at all, if the RKP5637 Dec 2013 #12
The fundamentalist nutjob is always right. I guess they don't need stuff like customers nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #13
+1000 JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #52
+1. freshwest Dec 2013 #168
Religion, the great divider of mankind ... throughout history has caused more grief and suffering.nt RKP5637 Dec 2013 #14
^This^ Arugula Latte Dec 2013 #35
That's beyond messed-up. Codeine Dec 2013 #17
Ridiculous. Why go to a free society and try to impose your own fundie nutbag ideologies? Dash87 Dec 2013 #19
Because your book tells you to. It's the inevitable consequence of believing Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #23
That is called multiculturalism. jessie04 Dec 2013 #40
Multiculturalism is the acceptance of the good in all cultures. Bowing to fundies is different. Dash87 Dec 2013 #70
According to the article, the customer is asked to wait while they get another cbayer Dec 2013 #20
Why not accommodate a racist's convictions? PassingFair Dec 2013 #22
Are you equating people with religious beliefs with racists? cbayer Dec 2013 #24
A belief is a belief. PassingFair Dec 2013 #28
Again, I ask this - are you equating people with religious beliefs with racists? cbayer Dec 2013 #32
SOME courts agree with that. Courts in more "religious" states do NOT. PassingFair Dec 2013 #48
29 States allow open discrimination in not just services but in housing and employment Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #235
these are not exactly the same as pork/alcholol La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #142
I agree. There has to be some reason here although when you're talking about religion there liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #173
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #248
Some people's religious beliefs are bigoted--like the Duck Dynasty guy. MADem Dec 2013 #58
That's true, but that wasn't my question. cbayer Dec 2013 #64
IF a religion demands that someone is a second class citizen DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #118
I can not disagree that there are aspects of religion or ways that cbayer Dec 2013 #119
The creed doe not matter DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #122
The store is not refusing to sell anything to anyone. cbayer Dec 2013 #128
I think Marks-n-Sparks needs to modify their employment application. MADem Dec 2013 #167
I don't know if you found this OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #197
My experience of queuing in the UK was different... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #221
LOL OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #293
I've queued in M/S and in Woolworth's on the odd High Street, and MADem Dec 2013 #296
Definitely true by my experience OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #298
I've lived in the Middle East and gone to some of the most holy sites in (shi'a) Islam. MADem Dec 2013 #300
I'm the same way, I don't mind what other people believe - OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #301
Well, they're Muslims, see? Scootaloo Dec 2013 #95
I guess I've managed to avoid most of these discussions, cbayer Dec 2013 #99
I would really be surprised if they were Scootaloo Dec 2013 #100
Sadly.... RFKHumphreyObama Dec 2013 #115
"Where it comes to Islam, DU is as much of an ignorant hate site as FreeRepublic." you are so right Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #120
I have found this thread fairly shocking. cbayer Dec 2013 #130
sadly I have to say DU Admin has long been extremely tolerant of anti-Muslim bigotry and things have Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #131
I think its broader than that, though I can see the problem in this thread. cbayer Dec 2013 #135
Sometimes I wonder if a new poster who is progressive and a person of faith really feels welcome hrmjustin Dec 2013 #149
unfortunately you are quite correct. Even if a person doesn't hold to any belief system - it is Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #159
Agreed. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #160
Others see only one's actions, not the 'belief' or 'faith' another might claim. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #236
"Most people of faith are bigots". Wow talk about a broad brush. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #237
Hi Douglas. I totally agree with you and have noticed things are getting worse, not better n/t Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #166
a lot worse ... DU Admin doesn't seem to think there is anything wrong with even the most hateful Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #185
It violates state law in USA for someone under 21 to ring up alcohol. MADem Dec 2013 #187
If Marks and Spencer's finds a way to accommodate the sensitivities of some of the staff while Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #193
They're doing it by inconveniencing the customers, apparently. MADem Dec 2013 #195
so far there has been no evidence of customers complaining of inconvenience - there are many people Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #200
Did you read the Daily Mail comments? smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #271
Do you know who reads the Daily Mail? cbayer Dec 2013 #273
Some states. It's perfectly legal in California. nt Codeine Dec 2013 #216
That's silly. It's no different than the Catholic pharmacist refusing to hand the MADem Dec 2013 #169
It's absolutely not the same. Scootaloo Dec 2013 #176
So you're saying that the pharmacist can't call over another pharmacist to do his dirty work? MADem Dec 2013 #180
I'm familiar with the anti-choice pharmacists in the US... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #211
Delay or deny, the end result is that the customer is disaccommoded. MADem Dec 2013 #258
But that's not M&S's policy... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #262
"With no delays or inconveniences...." MADem Dec 2013 #295
I'm saying that they don't do so, and your example acknowledges that reality Scootaloo Dec 2013 #213
They can be ordered to, but the customer is still affected. MADem Dec 2013 #252
I have been reading the Religion forum for a long while now, ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #179
If you live in many countries, Scientology is not recognized as a religion. MADem Dec 2013 #181
Yes, Scientology faces a lot of bigotry around the world. ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #182
Well, I think it's a cult, myself. I am not alone in that, either. MADem Dec 2013 #183
Thank you for providing an example of Scientology bigotry on DU. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #184
My view of the cult is based on their published dicta. I merely applied basic reasoning skills. nt MADem Dec 2013 #186
Some atheists, usually called "new atheists," ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #188
Whatever floats your boat. nt MADem Dec 2013 #191
Any criticism is seen as "bigotry" to religions zealots alarimer Dec 2013 #233
Sure, but some is bigotry. ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #256
No get the red out Dec 2013 #226
LOL..... Logical Dec 2013 #170
In many cases (although not this one) yes, absolutely. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2013 #206
OB-GYN should choose a different job??? onpatrol98 Dec 2013 #228
I would absolutely equate the two...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #223
Because selling pork or booze has nothing to do with their silly-ass Bronze age nonsense. Codeine Dec 2013 #26
Well that's your opinion. cbayer Dec 2013 #30
Having to leave the line I've patiently waited in Codeine Dec 2013 #43
In the only example they actually give, the customer was cbayer Dec 2013 #50
My descriptors would be no less disparaging Codeine Dec 2013 #59
The assumption being made is that this is causing an inconvenience. cbayer Dec 2013 #66
But why is this suddenly a problem CJCRANE Dec 2013 #46
These products are sold in many muslim majority countries? cbayer Dec 2013 #51
Read the comments at the link. Lots of people chipping in about this. CJCRANE Dec 2013 #55
Some of the comments are frankly disgusting, but cbayer Dec 2013 #69
It's kind of a vicious circle...religious fundamentalism elicits a reaction which then increases the CJCRANE Dec 2013 #72
I think it's important to make a distinction that defines extremism cbayer Dec 2013 #76
Egypt, Palestine, Iraq, Lebanon, Turkey.... MADem Dec 2013 #189
"There is a massive problem with discrimination against Muslims in the UK" brentspeak Dec 2013 #104
Are you not aware of the violence that has been perpetrated against cbayer Dec 2013 #106
"I doubt that the Marks & Spencer management is stupid" brentspeak Dec 2013 #108
We shall see, but I wouldn't bet on it. cbayer Dec 2013 #109
I know it's not M&S that are stupid... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #214
The Daily Mail's headline and subheadline are highly misleading muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #259
What about the non-fundamentalist muslims who want to buy a beer? CJCRANE Dec 2013 #136
No one is preventing them from buying a beer. cbayer Dec 2013 #139
It's a thin pose. If one's wages are a portion of profits from selling intoxicants Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #240
No edhopper Dec 2013 #27
That's not what it says in the text of the article, so I think cbayer Dec 2013 #31
It does say that. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #33
I would guess that the store is quite sensitive to this issue cbayer Dec 2013 #41
An OB-GYN who refuses to dispense birth control should not be licensed. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #44
I didn't ask about birth control. I asked about abortions. cbayer Dec 2013 #47
No, this is not Islam, it's childish fundamentalism. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #65
From what I understand there is a prohibition against selling intoxicants. cbayer Dec 2013 #67
One of the best places in the middle east for good 'abejo' used to be Iran. MADem Dec 2013 #302
Quote from the article. edhopper Dec 2013 #36
However, the one example they give is of a customer being told that they cbayer Dec 2013 #45
First you say there is nothing wrong with what M&S are doing edhopper Dec 2013 #49
Agreeing with the policy of the store and seeing the article cbayer Dec 2013 #54
CBayer - would you be okay with this situation happening? Dash87 Dec 2013 #80
I have posted about this before and I recognize that I am not in the majority cbayer Dec 2013 #84
Fair enough, but I think your last point is a little different. Dash87 Dec 2013 #91
What if your store is in a high crime district where pharmacies that have cbayer Dec 2013 #94
It is not your job to enforce drug laws. If there's a prescription mill, call the DEA. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #133
Not sure what you mean by this. cbayer Dec 2013 #137
Okay, exactly. State licensing. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #138
Do you think an OB-GYN who has a personal position about abortion should be forced cbayer Dec 2013 #141
It depends on whether performing abortions is central to their state-licensed function. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #144
There is leeway in licensing that permits people to not do certain things cbayer Dec 2013 #147
The draft is not voluntary. Becoming a pharmacist is. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #150
Well, we will just have to agree to disagree on this. cbayer Dec 2013 #153
I still don't understand this, you think people have the right to NOT do their job because of... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #254
I think that if a conscientious objection is valid and can be cbayer Dec 2013 #263
Conscientious objection only makes sense if you are asked to do something unlawful... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #268
No, conscientious objection is much more than that. cbayer Dec 2013 #269
I'm sorry, this is just a bullshit argument, I work with pharmacists every day, and frankly... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #251
Do you think that an OB-Gyn who personally objects to abortions cbayer Dec 2013 #264
If they are hired in an office that performs them, and was aware that they may have... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #267
Almost everyone, including licensing boards and professional cbayer Dec 2013 #270
I didn't mention the OP's subject, I will say its stupid, and apparently an exaggeration by the... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #272
What an Ob-Gyn does or does not do is generally up to them as individuals. cbayer Dec 2013 #274
So now you agree with me? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #276
I don't think I have disagreed with you. cbayer Dec 2013 #281
Actually, there have been issues at chains such as CVS with pharmacists refusing... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #283
I'm not sure it should be codified, but I don't know enough cbayer Dec 2013 #286
Solutions to a problem that is wholly created by the intractable anti-choice... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #287
Birth control--of the PLAN B variety--is an OTC medication. MADem Dec 2013 #163
Pharmacies are licensed by the state to dispense medication. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #132
I am flabbergasted... Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #89
No, that's not what I said at all. cbayer Dec 2013 #93
This is what you wrote; Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #98
How does it humiliate the customer? cbayer Dec 2013 #101
So what if the anti choice OB-GYN refuses, and the only alternative is an observant Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #241
A few thoughts on this question. cbayer Dec 2013 #242
I agree. rucky Dec 2013 #201
Christian and Muslim fundamentalists are always making things difficult for the average person. nt politichew Dec 2013 #21
Fundamentalists = superstitious dullards with no place in modern society. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #29
There was a hindu man at my old grocery store who had an easy solution Marrah_G Dec 2013 #25
If I had to work at a store that sold meat Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #90
My ex-husband is a Muslim etherealtruth Dec 2013 #134
No till operator would be touching the meat itself anyway muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #260
Never seen alcohol sold by Marks and Sparks not in a bottle or can either. dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #277
I bought some today muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #282
I missed out "not" in that post.......doh. dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #291
Ah yes - I thought it was a strange thing to say! muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #292
Who are we to judge? jessie04 Dec 2013 #34
Why not? They offend me every fucking day with their goofy-ass Skydaddy tripe. Codeine Dec 2013 #37
Sure edhopper Dec 2013 #42
Bullshit RedCappedBandit Dec 2013 #78
It's arrogant to expect as a customer to get rung up by a person hired to ring me up? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #81
Slick move, and you got three DUers to jump. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #83
I'm new here, but I can tell what they are up to. delta17 Dec 2013 #102
Wow, you are clever! And arrogant it sounds! nt Logical Dec 2013 #171
No, JihadWatch Jessie is just that transparent. n/t Scootaloo Dec 2013 #177
Thanks for the warm welcome. nt delta17 Dec 2013 #207
Ignore them. They were incredibly nasty to you... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #220
Thanks! delta17 Dec 2013 #234
lol Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #92
Isn't this clearly a two-way street? tritsofme Dec 2013 #114
I bet you don't say that for the fundies to Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #157
Another strong argument for Oppressive Religion. 99Forever Dec 2013 #38
This holier-than-thou behavior is getting a little over the top. CJCRANE Dec 2013 #39
It's UK, not us, but I think it's horseshit. MADem Dec 2013 #53
"Will your religion cause you to discriminate against our customers in any way?" Zorra Dec 2013 #56
Yes, I think the customers have cause to say they are being discriminated against, especially if the freshwest Dec 2013 #172
I agree. It's getting way out of hand. Zorra Dec 2013 #246
I don't think you understand multi- culturalism. jessie04 Dec 2013 #261
Let's see...I'm female -check- dark skinned multiethnic -check- LGBT - check Zorra Dec 2013 #297
I don't think someone could ask that of a potential employee RainDog Dec 2013 #299
I would leave all my groceries on the conveyor belt and /or in the cart and walk out. left is right Dec 2013 #57
As would I. RedCappedBandit Dec 2013 #79
Yup, this. appal_jack Dec 2013 #96
So now are they LiberalElite Dec 2013 #60
sounds more like you won't know edhopper Dec 2013 #61
Then what I'd do is - LiberalElite Dec 2013 #62
The policy invites - nearly requires, actually - profiling based on appearance. Codeine Dec 2013 #68
I do think M&S has gotten onto a slippery slope - LiberalElite Dec 2013 #71
The problem is, what if they have 10 tills open one day and 8 Muslims working that shift. smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #278
As Long as it doesn't JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #63
I buy Hebrew National hot dogs for just that reason. dionysus Dec 2013 #148
Hey now! JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #222
i live in the home of Zweigles... love me some red and white pop-opens... BUT dionysus Dec 2013 #238
My first boss out of Unversity JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #288
holy cow, i pass by that Wahls in Avon every time i go golfing at Farview!!!!! dionysus Dec 2013 #303
It's not really a big deal LittleBlue Dec 2013 #73
I would walk the fuck out of that store and never return. nt RedCappedBandit Dec 2013 #75
No coercion involved. Everyone has choice here. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #85
Probably because of their clientele. Igel Dec 2013 #86
I'm of two minds on this. Deep13 Dec 2013 #87
They can't even sell it? treestar Dec 2013 #97
Considering most of the small liquor stores in my area Codeine Dec 2013 #103
Why do they keep giving in to this insanity? PeteSelman Dec 2013 #105
That's a bit over the top. Codeine Dec 2013 #107
That's true. jessie04 Dec 2013 #110
You're silly and you should go away. nt Codeine Dec 2013 #112
lol... I haven't figured that poster out yet. penultimate Dec 2013 #127
I have... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #165
Business has the right to refuse to sell their products to anyone Rex Dec 2013 #116
I know it! Will their collective alcoholism ever end?! nt Deep13 Dec 2013 #158
A Mr. Duke of Louisiana called. He wants his talking points back. n/t Scootaloo Dec 2013 #178
Talking points, right. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #209
Sinister, really? Scootaloo Dec 2013 #210
Yeah, I want to hear more about this sinister stuff that's going on in the UK as well... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #212
Guh, SPOILERS! n/t Scootaloo Dec 2013 #215
Oops, sorry. But I did leave out some of them... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #217
Yeah, really. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #232
World history in a nutshell: New people came, things changed. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #257
Oh, ok. No problem then. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #289
Oh, I'm well aware of Malmo Scootaloo Dec 2013 #290
Prolly a non-starter article... Marks and Spencer typically has a separate checkout for their food JCMach1 Dec 2013 #117
I don't see this as a big deal. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author penultimate Dec 2013 #124
If you are worried that your God will hate you for selling alcohol or pork products, Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #123
There may be some inconveniences if they don't make it apparent where they penultimate Dec 2013 #126
If your religion interferes with your ability to perform your job, either get a different job Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #129
you know that's illegal, right. if its a non-essential part of your job, your organization La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #143
I don't see how selling products that a store has for sale, is not an essential part Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #146
a store sells a milllion products, of which you can't touch two, and neither La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #152
that's reasonable accommodation based on sincerely held religious beliefs La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #140
Do you really think it's going to stop there? Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #161
Why is it any of yr business? Do you run M&S? Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #218
The thing is: we don't know how many muslim cashiers actually choose to do this. CJCRANE Dec 2013 #145
It actually makes the issue worse Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #162
No kidding, if you can't do the job, work elsewhere Warpy Dec 2013 #151
Ridiculous. Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #156
I see the Daily Mail is still peddling its Islamophobic bullshit. But why are you peddling it here? Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #164
Plenty of other links for this story. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #175
do they refuse paychecks because it's made up of alcohol and pork that has been sold ? JI7 Dec 2013 #174
This is the Daily Mail, 'nuff said LeftishBrit Dec 2013 #190
They've got a sensationalised headline done to appeal to people who hate Muslims... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #208
Here in Germany most Turkish restaurants serve alcohol DFW Dec 2013 #192
Its odd Notafraidtoo Dec 2013 #196
What I don't get is OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #198
religion LOL n/t KG Dec 2013 #203
Daily Mail nonsense Nine Dec 2013 #205
This is incredibly WRONG get the red out Dec 2013 #224
I sounds like it was a misunderstanding between the corporate office and the store davidpdx Dec 2013 #225
I worked in a factory onlyadream Dec 2013 #227
I'm a cashier nilesobek Dec 2013 #229
but not doing your job KatyMan Dec 2013 #231
Oh wow!! darkangel218 Dec 2013 #230
If I waited in line for 10-15 minutes only to finally reach the register and then be told Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #239
I have to wait for a different cashier almost every time I buy wine at the grocery store. Nine Dec 2013 #244
Daily Mail - tempest in a teacup. GoneOffShore Dec 2013 #245
Here's a more reliable, less sensationalized version of the story LeftishBrit Dec 2013 #249
This would be great infromation as an OP etherealtruth Dec 2013 #265
If Marks & Spencer had a specified Halal area and separate check-out - I wouldn't have an issue. haele Dec 2013 #253
Terrible precedent... Hope they get a backlash... Lost_Count Dec 2013 #266
Maybe they shouldn't be working there if they don't want to do their job. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #280
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