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busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
69. I don’t think that there are that many of these self-destructors...
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 05:52 PM
Dec 2013

Most of them hang around here and are probably younger with secure jobs..
If not, I’ll tell you this..If We let all three branches of govt. turn red in 2016. there is very good chance that we can say goodbye to S.S., Medicare, Medicaid and all Safety Net programs as we know them... And if they're good with that... To hell w/em... Let them start a left wing hoarder /doomsday reality show..


du rec. xchrom Dec 2013 #1
I Agree 100%...and I like the rainbow flag. billhicks76 Dec 2013 #251
A very good point LiberalLovinLug Dec 2013 #371
I wrote an essay on this subject that might be of interest to you. Laelth Dec 2013 #579
thanks Laelth LiberalLovinLug Dec 2013 #688
Well, to be accurate, Obama "campaigned" as a Left Leaning Populist. bvar22 Jan 2014 #716
That is exactly what happened. He gave soaring speeches with no content. Now his supporters say Vincardog Jan 2014 #727
+ 1000000 woo me with science Jan 2014 #728
I remember "specific" promises to Organized Labor and the Working Class: bvar22 Jan 2014 #729
Thank you. woo me with science Jan 2014 #731
I think that's exactly what the Tea Party is doing to the right at the moment. Xipe Totec Dec 2013 #2
And for much the same reason. It isn't a matter of philosophy, it is the result of Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #5
Interesting thing though is that the Tea Party started out as disaffected Repugs... bluesbassman Dec 2013 #65
We won't see that, the left has no support from the rich except insofar as their willingness Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #82
The left will be co-opted by the 99% demwing Dec 2013 #99
Don't hold your breath harun Dec 2013 #414
I think the Tea Party started as an astroturf operation Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #109
Yep - AstroTurf for sure... See linked article klook Dec 2013 #134
Saboteurs have been disrupting liberal uprisings ever since Justice Powell wrote his manifesto in loudsue Dec 2013 #149
Will the 1% tolerate the people leaning left? No... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #384
Exactly - they have these neat military tools to keep us in check bodily and mentally Hestia Dec 2013 #433
Good post! loudsue Dec 2013 #449
+1000 G_j Dec 2013 #548
Your "grass roots" coach awaits you! KansDem Dec 2013 #169
I believe that's correct. bluesbassman Dec 2013 #180
of course the 1% isn't going to co-opt a lefty purist group Sheepshank Dec 2013 #589
+1. Tea baggers are for the billionaires. left is the people. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #195
I just don't see that playing out with the Democratic Left. BobUp Dec 2013 #143
Many of us will not accept the Third Way version of the Democratic Party. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #161
Then prepare for lancer78 Dec 2013 #259
You could not be more wrong. The issues and the electorate are entirely different now. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #312
I disagree, respectfully.Bill Clinton rebranded himself a "new democrat" but was in lexington filly Dec 2013 #341
Well said. +1 Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #496
Your arguments have a certain logical resonance... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #383
I've said this several thousand times but I'll say it again: tomp Dec 2013 #391
Agree with you about the Dems....... socialist_n_TN Dec 2013 #439
as you, I agree with your first paragraph only. tomp Dec 2013 #521
They don't serve the rich treestar Dec 2013 #489
bones must be thrown or the masses will revolt. tomp Dec 2013 #519
^^^^^^^Well said.^^^^^^^^ woo me with science Dec 2013 #613
Exactly. JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #6
It's actually scary Andy823 Dec 2013 #23
Yea ...let's keep the party moving right ...because that's where the money and votes are. L0oniX Dec 2013 #40
On the other hand Andy823 Dec 2013 #63
That's the battered spouse school of voting theory. Chan790 Dec 2013 #67
Marvelous analogy, Chan! Feral Child Dec 2013 #602
"If you want more left leaning candidates get them elected in the primaries" is a "battered spouse"? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #604
No. Chan790 Dec 2013 #608
That's nothing like what Andy823 said muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #609
0 for 2. That's exactly what he said. Chan790 Dec 2013 #612
Here's what you said: muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #622
By all means do NOT blame the right leaning Dem centrists. pffft L0oniX Dec 2013 #77
Who besides you is advocating for not voting? Please give a link to a post from A Simple Game Dec 2013 #138
"We shouldn't vote for...", "No more lesser of two evils"... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #191
that will be your choice AlbertCat Dec 2013 #226
Grow up? Enthusiast Dec 2013 #381
It means what it says, I will no longer vote for a candidate just because they A Simple Game Dec 2013 #260
Thanks for the clarification! I think that when you say... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #276
By the way... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #278
lesser of two evils is reality creeksneakers2 Dec 2013 #350
Wow, who knew it could be that simple? Why has no one thought of this before? n/t A Simple Game Dec 2013 #375
Who suggested that it would be simple... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #420
No, I am suggesting a radical idea, voting for the best candidate regardless of party. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2013 #434
No, I am suggesting a radical idea, voting for the best candidate regardless of party. n/t AlbertCat Dec 2013 #438
You mean Bernie Sanders? fadedrose Dec 2013 #465
The reason the far left never does it creeksneakers2 Dec 2013 #443
What far left? AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #581
How do you know they "don't have the votes"? AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #582
Dennis Kucinich creeksneakers2 Dec 2013 #600
+1 they keep repeating that as though it means something treestar Dec 2013 #488
"Lesser of two evils" is an admission that our candidate is evil. winter is coming Dec 2013 #498
"If you don't agree with Democrats, run some people in the primaries." !!! THIS!!! bvar22 Jan 2014 #715
"not voted for a Democrat in over 10 years" "the candidate I voted for was and is now the President" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #606
Nothing but the truth, think about it, I know you will be able to figure it out. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2013 #623
Playing 'A Simple Game' with you seems pointless muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #625
I believe you have to read what that person posted... Common Sense Party Dec 2013 #626
Third parties are not allowed where you vote? A Simple Game Dec 2013 #650
Obama is still a Democrat; you voted for a Democrat muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #656
Yes I voted for someone picked by a party, the party was Working Family instead of A Simple Game Dec 2013 #665
But Obama is not a member of the Working Families Party; he is a Democrat muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #666
quite easy, actually. there's a shit ton of parties on the ballots here. dionysus Jan 2014 #720
I didn't realize those parties didn't run their own candidates. Common Sense Party Jan 2014 #721
i don't think so.. they will run their own candidates for local stuff... but for national or dionysus Jan 2014 #725
No, I'm not saying President Obama isn't a Democrat, I'm saying he is more than a Democrat. A Simple Game Dec 2013 #647
"faced with a choice between a "Republican Republican" and a "Democratic Repulican""... jtuck004 Dec 2013 #377
Suggesting a write-in for "Edward Snowden" is another example... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #417
I am sure that is exactly the opinion any self-interested plantation owner would take jtuck004 Dec 2013 #461
Not really. I think the "self interested plantation owner" would... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #505
Well, then, he, or she, may get what he or she wishes <G> n/t jtuck004 Dec 2013 #507
Maybe because we have grown up over the past number of years, we have learned that the phrase sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #493
And if they win? (nt) reACTIONary Dec 2013 #506
Ask the Party Leadership. The voters have no control over them winning. Voters will vote only for sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #510
RE So who to blame if Republicans win? reACTIONary Dec 2013 #547
Rahm Emmanuel was the one who told those who won the election, that 'minority' you just spoke of, sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #550
What is a 'hard core leftist'? I'm not sure... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #555
I know the word 'purist' is INTENDED to be an insult, that was clear when it first appeared on sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #564
I consider Emmanuel and Axelrod to be... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #588
The 'idea' that Emmanuel called 'retarded' was running ads against conservative Democrats in 2009 muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #617
You mean ads against Third Wayers/Republican lite candidates which OF COURSE Rahm the Corporatist sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #630
Those who unnecessarily drive the Democratic party to the right are to blame AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #583
The key word is "unnecessarily"... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #584
Where is it written AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #641
Voters will vote for liberal, left wing candidates... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #655
Obama wasn't a 'liberal left wing candidate' AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #661
Obama wasn't a 'liberal left wing candidate'... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #664
They can't admit their responsibility in the loss of Congress in 2010. See the convulated excuses sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #631
Then they win Feral Child Dec 2013 #605
Excellent post, thank you. I wonder what it will take for the Party Leadership to realize that they sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #633
Agreed, Sabrina Feral Child Dec 2013 #669
Yes and if WE lose, the People that is, I know who I will be blaming and it won't be the voters. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #705
The END is NIGH!1!! reACTIONary Dec 2013 #657
You're not being "flippant", Feral Child Dec 2013 #668
Sorry for being flippent... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #677
Your assumptions Feral Child Dec 2013 #687
Have a great New Year!!! And you are right... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #692
In the last 5 years Maedhros Dec 2013 #160
We want more left-leaning candidates. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #239
You can bet we will end up running against a Tea Party candidate in the Jamastiene Dec 2013 #250
You are so right. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #365
Yep. DUer RC created this graphic to describe the pols in Washington ... Scuba Dec 2013 #401
Add Publicly-funded elections to that list, and I think you have a winner.. Volaris Dec 2013 #360
Problem is, we've been holding our noses and voting for the lesser of evils... polichick Dec 2013 #327
Anyone that wouldn't vote for the lesser of two evils AAO Dec 2013 #342
You don't think we could get someone to run for the Senate, the House and the presidency JDPriestly Dec 2013 #356
Of course. I think there are many Dems that should be primaried. AAO Dec 2013 #358
Or they can vote for the good. polichick Dec 2013 #399
And look at the results. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #382
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Dec 2013 #400
"They shipped our jobs out of the country" Dude if only that was all. L0oniX Dec 2013 #523
I agree. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #533
And it's worked so well for America to have to right wing parties Doctor_J Dec 2013 #192
Yes, right wingers collapsed everything in 2007 AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #574
Yea ...let's keep the party moving right AlbertCat Dec 2013 #224
+10 (nt) reACTIONary Dec 2013 #228
Last I heard, the chained CPI is still in the budget. I won't vote for anyone who votes JDPriestly Dec 2013 #240
Right. It seems pretty straight forward. AAO Dec 2013 #345
And in America winning is everything. raindaddy Dec 2013 #413
Where the votes are is kind of important. treestar Dec 2013 #486
Ok, now I'm confused- by "right wing plants"- do you mean plants from the Tea Party? Or "centrists"? LooseWilly Dec 2013 #62
Yeah ... I don't think it's intended to follow logically. DirkGently Dec 2013 #155
+1 a whole bunch.......nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #322
"'left' is presumptively radical and extreme." Yeah, even LBJ. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #385
LOL! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #165
Another ridiculous assertion fadedrose Dec 2013 #392
That's exactly what I was thinking as I read the OP... Blanks Dec 2013 #93
I'd say the "weak willed" are those willing to accept any degradation of Liberal values Maedhros Dec 2013 #162
Give me some specific examples of this 'degradation of liberal values'... Blanks Dec 2013 #225
Chained CPI; supporting charter schools; giving breaks to Wall Street instead of JDPriestly Dec 2013 #243
There are a lot of people supporting charter schools... Blanks Dec 2013 #262
Democrats could have increased the minimum wage when they had both houses of JDPriestly Dec 2013 #285
Beautifully said, JDPriestly! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #326
^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Dec 2013 #344
It might shock you to learn that not all democrats are laboring away... Blanks Dec 2013 #480
I would agree with you except for the fact that the wealth of the corporate managers, especially JDPriestly Dec 2013 #532
This thread has hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #330
And what do you think a teabagger president will do? AAO Dec 2013 #346
Look. The right-wing of the Democratic Party has lost a lot of working people JDPriestly Dec 2013 #352
I guess you can't fix stupid. AAO Dec 2013 #357
This message was self-deleted by its author bvar22 Dec 2013 #492
And who will be responsible if that happens? Surely you are not blaming voters when the blame lies sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #660
Well, if everyone refuses to vote for the lesser evil AAO Dec 2013 #673
"royal you"? "you people"? reddread Jan 2014 #735
Why don't you tell me what you're really thinking - it's vague to me. AAO Jan 2014 #736
I'm a progressive... Blanks Dec 2013 #539
It's not the reality of politics in America. No matter what you say. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #324
FDR didn't replace Henry Wallace. The Democratic party leaders did at the Convention. octoberlib Dec 2013 #537
Obviously, I phrased that poorly... Blanks Dec 2013 #538
centrists have been holding the "my way or the highway crap" gun.. frylock Dec 2013 #107
I put it this way: Maedhros Dec 2013 #163
word up frylock Dec 2013 #170
+1 a whole bunch.......nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #329
A point by point response: Maedhros Dec 2013 #156
Nailed it. n/t DirkGently Dec 2013 #185
Double nailed it. L0oniX Dec 2013 #200
tripple nailed Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #216
Thank you. Well said. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #244
Where's Andy? Maybe Andy has something more important to do, I'll check back tomorrow. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #281
As long as progressives, liberals, socialists, reformists, and Democrats cheapdate Dec 2013 #282
Bullshit. Voting for corporate-friendly Democrats does NOT enable Progressive policies. Maedhros Dec 2013 #295
Bullshit. There's no way in hell that the progressive agenda is served in any way cheapdate Dec 2013 #313
I'm considering the long game. Maedhros Dec 2013 #364
We need effective ways to get attention mdbl Dec 2013 #416
Don't short-sell the Democrats - they also have manipulators that they pay to make bad policy Maedhros Dec 2013 #475
It's smart to consider the long game. cheapdate Dec 2013 #518
Quadruple nailed it. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #333
Nice post! polichick Dec 2013 #337
There is no "FAR LEFT". Enthusiast Dec 2013 #164
It only seems "FAR LEFT" to them when they are FAR RIGHT and think they are centre. L0oniX Dec 2013 #310
+10 (nt) reACTIONary Dec 2013 #184
Actually, it is the center and right wing of the Democratic Party that has Jamastiene Dec 2013 #248
So you like to disparage the left do you? To what aim? Are you trying to split the party? rhett o rick Dec 2013 #315
You are EXACTLY right. The TeaLEFT is almost as bad as the TeaRIGHT. Both are awash in radical RBInMaine Dec 2013 #380
you can't even get dems elected in your own state.. frylock Dec 2013 #454
You are completely WRONG about my state, and I am not disparaging actual liberals. Read on: RBInMaine Dec 2013 #540
Name the "many fronts" on which Obama has been "very progressive." Maedhros Dec 2013 #509
You only think of one because you see the world through a non-realist purist lens. Read on: RBInMaine Dec 2013 #541
Little progressive steps forward, Maedhros Dec 2013 #565
Obama's "successes" remind me of Jack & The Beanstalk. bvar22 Jan 2014 #719
that is sooooo delusional G_j Dec 2013 #549
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #575
+a stone cold billion Julie. Astonishing to see people who claim to be so smart Number23 Dec 2013 #136
Project much? L0oniX Dec 2013 #202
I'm sure that made perfect sense in your head. Here, this is for you and your pals Number23 Dec 2013 #232
Still projecting huh? No one is talking about your 3rd term candidate. L0oniX Dec 2013 #273
I'm not the one starting an OP trying to pretend that me and my nine other friends hold Number23 Dec 2013 #283
Again more projection about someone we are "rooting" for. Keep trying. L0oniX Dec 2013 #284
When you find a point, why don't you bring it along with you into this thread? Up until now Number23 Dec 2013 #289
First you project that "claim to be so smart" was said then project an Obama poll has anything to do L0oniX Dec 2013 #294
Between the typos and lack of point, I don't get what you're saying at all Number23 Dec 2013 #299
So now you resort to complaining about how many times a person posts??? What a joke! L0oniX Dec 2013 #303
Yes, throwing "ProjecTION!1" out with so obviously no idea what that means is a better strategy Number23 Dec 2013 #308
What was that about "typos and lack of point"? Heh ...wow ...hey you aren't pissed off are ya bro? L0oniX Dec 2013 #316
You don't need my help to look bad, do you?? Number23 Dec 2013 #319
LMAO "posts in this thread that say fuck all" Ok whatever. L0oniX Dec 2013 #323
You're putting me on ignore???! Oh joy!! And lucky for you, there's no spelling involved! Number23 Dec 2013 #328
Now I'm putting you on ignore? and "??!" Punctuation problem? L0oniX Dec 2013 #334
Red X, dude!! RED X!!!! Happy New Year to me Number23 Dec 2013 #338
Please don't beg. It's dehumanizing. L0oniX Dec 2013 #339
Your understanding of "begging" is as good as your understanding of "projection" Number23 Dec 2013 #347
LMAO "recs=power" Does the rec count tell you something you don't like? L0oniX Dec 2013 #349
Authoritarians always have a sadz over the truth. Rex Dec 2013 #567
Wow, how does 9 friends almost equal 300 recs? Rex Dec 2013 #566
Just what I was going to ask...except that it was 309 recs last time I checked. Raksha Dec 2013 #646
I love it when 10% of the Party call the other 90% "purists". Hilarious. Scuba Dec 2013 #402
A very good point - it would be funny if it hadn't worked for so long. Raksha Dec 2013 #648
So why would a Democrat want to disparage the left? What issues do you disagree with? rhett o rick Dec 2013 #318
Every single time you have tried to come after me, the conversation ends with you running Number23 Dec 2013 #325
Why is he "trying to waste" your time? Are you letting him control your time? L0oniX Dec 2013 #335
Dont flatter yourself. You arent that good at bullying. You just seem to like to rhett o rick Dec 2013 #353
I'm not that good at bullying?? Was I trying to be?? Particularly as YOU are the one that has Number23 Dec 2013 #376
your act is stale. Union Scribe Dec 2013 #386
What's even more stale is your "pile on 'cause I've got nothing ever" act Number23 Dec 2013 #478
My "1st grade attempts?" Again that's a very weak attempt. Your post is pure projection. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #422
Oh Praise the Lord! Can you make your little friend live up to his promise to put Number23 Dec 2013 #481
You still don't seem to understand ignore. Union Scribe Dec 2013 #487
It's how I work it. And thanks for reminding me Number23 Dec 2013 #490
And that post right there Union Scribe Dec 2013 #497
No, the problem is entirely YOURS as you have shown REPEATEDLY in this thread Number23 Dec 2013 #500
"needless net nannying as if anyone asked you to involve yourself" OMG the irony. L0oniX Dec 2013 #508
Edit Number23 Dec 2013 #520
I promised to put you on ignore? You are seeing shit that aint there now too? L0oniX Dec 2013 #524
"no interest in what you have to say about anything" ...and yet you keep responding. L0oniX Dec 2013 #425
!! Bobbie Jo Dec 2013 #410
"What a fucking whinefest" I give it a 3 on a Crying Infant scale of 1-10 Number23 Dec 2013 #477
Yea ...what is it with that? Does the left make them feel uncomfortable or something ... L0oniX Dec 2013 #331
I am guessing that those that disparage the left do so because they covet conservative ideologies. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #355
Of course it does, it goes directly against their agenda. Rex Dec 2013 #569
There's always this marsis Dec 2013 #22
This is an example of why the OP is correct. Fearmongering instead of discussing what went wrong sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #34
I think what you' re saying is important. truedelphi Dec 2013 #83
no..... sendero Dec 2013 #111
We are talking about two different processes inside the reality of politics. truedelphi Dec 2013 #302
It sounds great when you speak in vague terms... Blanks Dec 2013 #152
'We have to compromise'. Sorry, we've been doing that. THEY have to compromise. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #183
I'm not talking about compromising with the republicans... Blanks Dec 2013 #222
Or is it a question of compromising with Republicans who claim to be Democrats? JDPriestly Dec 2013 #252
Let's see. The marginal tax rate is OK. Charter schools are OK. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #249
The only advice I was giving was to vote. That's how... Blanks Dec 2013 #255
People who have always voted WILL vote, but as we saw in 2010, they will vote for Progressive sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #266
I found this telling: Maedhros Dec 2013 #511
Amen. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #177
I think the tea party MynameisBlarney Dec 2013 #37
...and the Dem party "it seems" is catering to the defectors and embracing them while discarding... L0oniX Dec 2013 #44
Exactly, sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #85
I am not at all surprised that you cant see the difference. The left are holding onto principles rhett o rick Dec 2013 #173
Me too! +1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #336
The difference is that teabagging policies are for the 1%. WowSeriously Dec 2013 #363
Except the Democratic "left" is actually in line with the majority of Americans Ash_F Dec 2013 #366
That is why dotymed Dec 2013 #442
My point is about the tactics, not the philosophy nt Xipe Totec Dec 2013 #463
Amen. As i read the OP, I'm thinking "Switch Dem with GOP and left with tea party" 7962 Dec 2013 #396
Yeah, just fuck all those folks who will die. JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #3
Let us know when the rich who make money from the MIC will contribute to the anti war... L0oniX Dec 2013 #8
Nice sidestep. JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #9
You mean people who vote Aerows Dec 2013 #14
The sidestep is all yours. L0oniX Dec 2013 #17
you're turning the definition on its head. It's those who insist on voting for the lesser of 2 evils yodermon Dec 2013 #52
What you see as "lesser of 2 evils", Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #474
So voting your conscience.... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #64
Oh come one now ...get with the program. If it has a (D) by its name ...vote for it. L0oniX Dec 2013 #84
This somehow seems appropos..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #95
Epic Kitteh insight. L0oniX Dec 2013 #97
Wow! Liberals are now sociopaths? Um-hmmm. loudsue Dec 2013 #176
Sometimes you end up in bizzarro land when your not planning to go there. L0oniX Dec 2013 #196
Damn dude, sociopathy. You'd think you were defending a drone program that regularly kills innocents JoeyT Dec 2013 #110
Wow ...how did you read that? ...I needed a sarc tag? L0oniX Dec 2013 #120
There still patting themselves on the back for the Clinton-era sanctions against Iraq Maedhros Dec 2013 #168
I was referring to the JoeyT Dec 2013 #287
Vote or be blamed for Death fascisthunter Dec 2013 #39
Makes ya wonder what party yer in don't it. L0oniX Dec 2013 #47
I don't consider them as dems fascisthunter Dec 2013 #517
You wonder what we thought when Bush launched his criminal war? You mean you don't remember? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #43
Your capacity for selective reasoning is quite impressive. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #72
What about Obama EXPANDING the Afghan war that Bush started, Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #261
I think you may very well be right. Autumn Dec 2013 #4
The Democratic Party is going to have to appeal to the left if it wants the Left's votes. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #7
Oh they will appeal to us ...and then throw us under the scenic cruiser again. L0oniX Dec 2013 #11
They'll appeal to us with cries of "not as bad" and the "lesser of two evils". Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #15
Look at post 3 ...it's already started. L0oniX Dec 2013 #18
Yep. And, they will claim the Left gave the seats to the Republicans after the election. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #41
It should be made clear right now. IF Democrats lose the next election, the ONLY people to blame sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #49
+1. "We suck less!" is not a viable platform. n/t winter is coming Dec 2013 #55
Imagine ^^ that ^^ on a bumper sticker, LOL!!! n/t X_Digger Dec 2013 #70
LOL! 2banon Dec 2013 #267
Or "We Suck Less?" SomeGuyInEagan Dec 2013 #280
Leadership is the problem Aerows Dec 2013 #60
Recently there has been one happy exception to the truedelphi Dec 2013 #94
Yes, I supported DeBlasio due to his long history on progressive issues. I would not have supported sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #104
Yet ProSense Dec 2013 #121
If he continues that trend, he will lose the next election and if he had told people he intended to sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #129
So that's it? ProSense Dec 2013 #150
De Blasio Appoints Goldman Sachs Exec To Deputy Mayor Post For 'Fighting Inequality' Phlem Dec 2013 #208
So you approve? ProSense Dec 2013 #209
Yep. Phlem Dec 2013 #212
What? ProSense Dec 2013 #215
Right, as expected. Phlem Dec 2013 #217
And we all know how that worked out BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #125
They will also LIE, blatantly and shamelessly. woo me with science Dec 2013 #166
+1 a shit load............nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #340
As always.. 99Forever Dec 2013 #418
They are selling brand identity. Maedhros Dec 2013 #512
This is the same argument used by Ralph Nader Gothmog Dec 2013 #652
If the candidate wants the votes of the left, then he must appeal to left wing voters. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #654
Thank you MissDeeds Dec 2013 #20
I think the TPP Aerows Dec 2013 #10
I hope so, but.. X_Digger Dec 2013 #78
You'd hope Aerows Dec 2013 #103
Well, to be fair, some dumb redneck said something stupid on TV. Maedhros Dec 2013 #171
Exactly...............nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #343
you apparently don't know how it works here. Phlem Dec 2013 #607
That's the red line, right there Autumn Dec 2013 #672
Just say no to Hillary? ProSense Dec 2013 #12
To win, she will have to attract the Indepents who came out in 2008 to get rid of Bush policies sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #59
Wait, ProSense Dec 2013 #75
I was clear in what I said I believe. No candidate can win with just their base. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #91
Let me ProSense Dec 2013 #100
Funny, From Where I'm Sitting It Looked Like They Came Out To Insure Bush's 3rd Term Upward Dec 2013 #190
You can thank Liberas for that, again. But since that's not likely to happen, we are where we are sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #264
Odd isn't it? dflprincess Dec 2013 #297
Yes, very odd. We need to keep reminding them of their constant claim that Liberals aren't needed sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #362
I don’t think that there are that many of these self-destructors... busterbrown Dec 2013 #69
If the Party steps up to defend and expand the safety net, we'll win in 2014 and 2016. winter is coming Dec 2013 #354
I do. hootinholler Dec 2013 #293
They'll lose if the left is necessary to win. polichick Dec 2013 #304
I think the point is, that the People will lose. The Party may win, but the victors will be Big Corp 2banon Dec 2013 #307
I'm here to say I guarantee she will lose. Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #361
I wish you were right but I fear you are wrong tularetom Dec 2013 #13
The tiny number of people crazy enough to desert can be done without. gulliver Dec 2013 #16
Hmmm "Deserter Democratic Left" or the "Corporatist Democratic Right" ...decisions ...decisions L0oniX Dec 2013 #19
+++ You nailed it.... fadedrose Dec 2013 #467
To all those that dismiss Aerows Dec 2013 #21
That would be it. Autumn Dec 2013 #28
I would not be one of those who dismiss the voices... gulliver Dec 2013 #33
Excuse me? Aerows Dec 2013 #45
In all these cases where people lose out... gulliver Dec 2013 #80
"The best Democrats can do". You make the OP's case. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #87
No, here's the problem Aerows Dec 2013 #92
Good ole Patty Murray Phlem Dec 2013 #123
Oh? And what do you imagine the "Democrats" will accomplish without "the dead weight"? winter is coming Dec 2013 #24
Hey Aerows Dec 2013 #27
Likely much better results for 99%. gulliver Dec 2013 #42
Except the ones who might leave the Party are the ones who actually oppose winter is coming Dec 2013 #50
But they oppose it incompetently. gulliver Dec 2013 #96
You don't get effective donkeys Aerows Dec 2013 #102
Rather ironic for you to be accusing anyone of "beating the donkey". n/t winter is coming Dec 2013 #106
More donkeys pulling to the Right is not helpful. Maedhros Dec 2013 #174
You end up with a Donkephant or an Elephonky when they merge. L0oniX Dec 2013 #206
very good... KoKo Dec 2013 #421
Oh look. Another lecture from a grown-up centrist. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #269
consider the fact that most people don't even vote now fascisthunter Dec 2013 #48
But when that "tiny number" does sit out, they are blamed for Dem losses. progressoid Dec 2013 #53
Well they do more than sit. gulliver Dec 2013 #89
They kill the Democratic buzz? backwoodsbob Dec 2013 #119
Then that's EXACTLY what you'll have to do. :-| n/t DeSwiss Dec 2013 #71
You're not aware of the huge Coalition formed before the last election by various organizations sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #74
^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Dec 2013 #88
and you'll be front and center blaming the "Deserter Democratic Left" when the dems lose frylock Dec 2013 #133
Dem support for President Obama has SLIPPED to a whopping 77%, liberal Dem is at 79% Number23 Dec 2013 #153
Like in 2010? Doctor_J Dec 2013 #159
Withdrawing into fantasy again, I see. It's like there is some switch that lets you Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #265
I'd be overjoyed by Aerows Dec 2013 #25
+1. If we're going to indulge in corporate welfare, couldn't it be for businesses that are winter is coming Dec 2013 #29
Absolutely Aerows Dec 2013 #76
Having just found the site MO_Moderate Dec 2013 #26
Helping others who need it without casting judgement. uppityperson Dec 2013 #30
Dems used to stand for things the people needed, not what big business needed. madfloridian Dec 2013 #118
As a Democrat, i'm presuming here, you surely don't have to ask that question? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #122
Welcome to DU wryter2000 Dec 2013 #148
the very fact that we are fighting desperately to save 'Obamacare" or the ACA to use its Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #203
Here you go. And this is a very abbreviated list. woo me with science Dec 2013 #214
I need more links... nikto Dec 2013 #236
Awesome. nt hay rick Dec 2013 #258
Aw, come on. Is that all you've got? uppityperson Dec 2013 #272
Great list, bookmarking it for future reference. madfloridian Dec 2013 #388
And it's a list of things that the President alone is not able to change. Check out who voted for kelliekat44 Dec 2013 #406
Well done! raindaddy Dec 2013 #415
I love ProSense Dec 2013 #419
Bookmarked! KoKo Dec 2013 #423
+1 ^^^THIS^^^ ...copied and saved. L0oniX Dec 2013 #451
wait...this is another symptom of DU...this list is ok, but the "other" list is scorned? Sheepshank Dec 2013 #601
Feel free to counter the points on this list as well. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #670
of course. the third party people wouldn't have it any other way. dionysus Jan 2014 #726
When I officially joined the Democratic Party in 1966, bvar22 Dec 2013 #649
Bottom line for most is ...who's going to pay for Dem political campaigns. L0oniX Dec 2013 #31
You describe the reason we need to fight in primaries. jeff47 Dec 2013 #32
Historically, that's happened only after the Hamiltonian party has collapsed Warpy Dec 2013 #35
Time for REAL Change !!! blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #36
Yep-- and self-described "centrists" have already proven themselves too fickle to be relied upon. Marr Dec 2013 #38
The Lieberman-ization of the Dem party. L0oniX Dec 2013 #58
It's the "Reagan Democrats" showing up again. Maedhros Dec 2013 #513
Christie Democrats. How 'bout those blue dogs! octoberlib Dec 2013 #522
I concur especially about Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2013 #46
I have been saying this for a long time. Let us hope this is the moment in time. nt silvershadow Dec 2013 #51
I don't think a democrat "left" will prevail and take over the party meadowlark5 Dec 2013 #54
I don't think the left is trying to take over the party. That's already happened by the right. L0oniX Dec 2013 #68
If we could get more representation like Elizabeth Warren meadowlark5 Dec 2013 #101
Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Mike Gravel, Alan Greyson, Wendy Davis, Carl Sciortino... L0oniX Dec 2013 #470
.... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #79
We must take back our Party. Support progressive organizations outside the Party rhett o rick Dec 2013 #56
K&R DeSwiss Dec 2013 #57
Fuck Yea! Phlem Dec 2013 #61
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2013 #66
Nice! Phlem Dec 2013 #73
OMG LMFAO L0oniX Dec 2013 #90
I can be contemptuously scoffed at and NOT represented by Republicans without lifting a finger. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #81
+1. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #614
2014 FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #86
You mean the imminent election of Jeb Bush? XRubicon Dec 2013 #98
Tired, overused excuse. Phlem Dec 2013 #112
ok let's do the Ted Cruise Tea party strategy XRubicon Dec 2013 #124
Wow Phlem Dec 2013 #127
Thank you for your interest in the Democratic Party XRubicon Dec 2013 #154
ooooh! Phlem Dec 2013 #197
This message was self-deleted by its author Phlem Dec 2013 #199
kentuck is going to elect Jeb Bush all by himself? U4ikLefty Dec 2013 #126
You should take a quick look at the DU terms of service XRubicon Dec 2013 #367
Threaten with the TOS? How quaint. U4ikLefty Dec 2013 #369
Thanks to the Dem right ...who will vote for him in secret. L0oniX Dec 2013 #128
We are also focusing on the primaries... Chan790 Dec 2013 #130
Hell yes bud! Phlem Dec 2013 #132
I'll vote for whoever you want, if they win the primary... XRubicon Dec 2013 #158
Is that's the best ''scary'' you can do? Jeb? Really? DeSwiss Dec 2013 #141
Yes - two wars and the collapse of the economy with his brother was nothing to be afraid of XRubicon Dec 2013 #178
What I want...... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #181
The Jeb Bush whose education plan Obama is trying to implement? Doctor_J Dec 2013 #187
So you see no difference in President Obama and Jeb Bush? XRubicon Dec 2013 #193
LIONS AND TIGERS AND BEARS!!!! H2O Man Dec 2013 #292
Yeah, whats so bad about having a republican president anyway! XRubicon Dec 2013 #301
Agree Completely - Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Dec 2013 #105
The fact is that the status quo sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #108
Well said - k&r polichick Dec 2013 #113
I think the Party is coming to us. DirkGently Dec 2013 #114
Everyone is thinking about this all wrong! It is not about Republican and Democrat any longer. Dustlawyer Dec 2013 #115
It always was about Plutocrats, their minions, and the brainwashed. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #186
Okay, I think I have been here before. They killed my president and his brother and MLK. What the jwirr Dec 2013 #116
Again! whistler162 Dec 2013 #117
I'm compelled to say that you'd enable Republicans because of selfish reasons. great white snark Dec 2013 #131
Thank you wryter2000 Dec 2013 #151
The Democratic Party has always been HoosierCowboy Dec 2013 #135
So you're saying..We'd be better off to have a Republican President than a Dem like Bill Clinton? Auntie Bush Dec 2013 #137
President Nader agrees. Everybody else is a bit more pragmatic. mikekohr Dec 2013 #139
I'm trying to reform the Democratic Party locally but... hay rick Dec 2013 #140
Once again, some prefer fighting Dems to fighting the GOP. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #142
"If the Republicans take over the House, Senate, and the White House, then so be it." chieftain Dec 2013 #144
This is what bothers me too Flatpicker Dec 2013 #223
+1,000,000 recs. The rich don't fear that we hate them, they fear that we don't hate each other." mikekohr Dec 2013 #234
BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA woo me with science Dec 2013 #275
Obama took that quote from the Hopi and didn't credit them... polichick Dec 2013 #311
Abso fucking lutely. At lease a few folks have OPENLY said in this thread and others that they want Number23 Dec 2013 #235
+1. Shrugging off the result of another 8 years of GOP rule, with the death and discrimination, is a freshwest Dec 2013 #263
I think 'temper tantrum' describes this type of thing perfectly. Number23 Dec 2013 #291
I wish they'd have the courage of their convictions... SidDithers Dec 2013 #271
"I guess they value their posting privileges more than their principles." And you nailed it, Sid Number23 Dec 2013 #286
This message was self-deleted by its author whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #440
The repukes HAVE been controlling things without having a majority. L0oniX Dec 2013 #290
"If the Republicans take over the House, Senate, and the White House, then so be it." Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #644
Possibly. davidthegnome Dec 2013 #145
President Rand Paul? wryter2000 Dec 2013 #146
I disagree with your assessment of the Democratic Party. One thing about polical parties is madinmaryland Dec 2013 #147
As a lifelong Democrat, I'll keep trying to push my party left mountain grammy Dec 2013 #157
Hear! Hear! Titonwan Dec 2013 #167
Not even three hours, and 120 recs. woo me with science Dec 2013 #172
the democratic party left me..no truer words xiamiam Dec 2013 #175
I logged in for the sole swilton Dec 2013 #179
At least I'm not the only one saying it at this point. nt LWolf Dec 2013 #182
When did I hear this before... oh yes in 2010 when we lost big OKNancy Dec 2013 #188
So why don't the DC Dems try to attract some liberal voters then? Doctor_J Dec 2013 #194
We lost cuz Dems stayed at home when they saw the neocon agenda being furthered by our own party. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #198
We won in 2012. n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #205
We won it for ya. You know what we need to do. Stop the hoarding class. C'mon, it will be fun!!! grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #241
You sold out? n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #247
Some were trying to get out from under the bus at the time. L0oniX Dec 2013 #211
.... Phlem Dec 2013 #201
We lost because Nite Owl Dec 2013 #210
Shhh. Phlem Dec 2013 #254
k/r 840high Dec 2013 #189
I will say that this is a very enlightening post. Phlem Dec 2013 #204
You'll let us know when that happens, right? brooklynite Dec 2013 #207
Do they have to be real progressives or is it good enough to imagine that they are? L0oniX Dec 2013 #213
Dude. That NEVER happens! Phlem Dec 2013 #218
LOL L0oniX Dec 2013 #220
I don't know what the right anwser is. Flatpicker Dec 2013 #219
I here ya and agree. Your vote is yours and you deserve to have a say in how things work. Phlem Dec 2013 #227
anything is better than having the Republicans in total control. Well, no, it isn't . AlbertCat Dec 2013 #221
You and...ahem...what army? tritsofme Dec 2013 #229
Yet at the same time there is an entire corporate brigade woo me with science Dec 2013 #430
+1 L0oniX Dec 2013 #436
It would be pretty silly to blame 2010 on a disaffected left. tritsofme Dec 2013 #447
A number of Republicans have moved to the Democratic Party complaining that their party left them. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2013 #230
I prefer to have Republicans in office who have an R after their name rather than a D. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #231
Really? Sheepshank Dec 2013 #597
Americans will persist in their addiction to right-leaning Government... nikto Dec 2013 #233
Well said, kentuck! City Lights Dec 2013 #237
Your vote is the only power you have. Make them EARN it. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #238
If I kill myself, then they'll be sorry!!!! JoePhilly Dec 2013 #242
perfect analogy treestar Dec 2013 #245
ROFL. eom Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #482
LMAO Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #514
Nice. Union Scribe Dec 2013 #515
Na, mocking whiners. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #543
This uponit7771 Dec 2013 #536
Good Democrats would never sell out we the people by supporting the narrow interests of those with indepat Dec 2013 #246
#21 You Threaten To Form Your Own Party If You Don't Get 100% of What You Want ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #253
And who are you to tell him to leave??? fadedrose Dec 2013 #279
I'm glad you acknowledge that President Obama is a Democrat ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #288
You see, that's a problem for me too fadedrose Dec 2013 #314
Then maybe you should leave the D.U. as well ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #374
If Jeb Bush ran as a Dem, would you vote for him? NorthCarolina Dec 2013 #429
Only if he won the nomination... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #459
Yea ...we 3rd way centrists don't need or want their stinking votes. L0oniX Dec 2013 #437
+1 Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #483
k&r... spanone Dec 2013 #256
I largely agree Babel_17 Dec 2013 #257
That's some prime FUD right there... SidDithers Dec 2013 #268
Most Democrats cannot bring themselves to talk about it anymore. kentuck Dec 2013 #270
They do ProSense Dec 2013 #298
yep! Phlem Dec 2013 #306
Does that ProSense Dec 2013 #309
Yeah, he makes a speech like that while at the very same time... polichick Dec 2013 #317
Actually, ProSense Dec 2013 #320
The TPP isn't even out of draft form yet. Phlem Dec 2013 #321
That Republican healthcare plan should've been a Democratic plan. polichick Dec 2013 #332
"That Republican healthcare plan " ProSense Dec 2013 #348
The joke's on you - that plan was hatched by the Heritage Foundation... polichick Dec 2013 #397
No, ProSense Dec 2013 #404
The important part to remember is what a real Dem plan would look like... polichick Dec 2013 #444
Some pathetic, diluted, sold out group of empty minds voting without principles and conscience??? L0oniX Dec 2013 #300
I suspect we might see the GOP vanish nationally because of the Tea Party. Gore1FL Dec 2013 #274
agreed. Can see this happening. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #427
It's the nature of the system to destroy such ideals... countryjake Dec 2013 #277
199 recs and counting. woo me with science Dec 2013 #296
Me think's some of them are their own enablers. Phlem Dec 2013 #305
This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #351
It's coming indeed - After years of slavish devotion all I can say is whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #359
We need to get our local elections back, then states back. fleabiscuit Dec 2013 #368
I think gerrymandering has to be ended, also cprise Dec 2013 #462
We, as a nation, then are screwed. donheld Dec 2013 #370
. donheld Dec 2013 #372
. L0oniX Dec 2013 #450
Anyone who knows the difference between the two parties and wants equality for all and cares Sparky 1 Dec 2013 #373
These people are the reason the Democratic Party nearly went extinct in the 70s and 80s... Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #378
You guys really need to update your bullshit talking points Union Scribe Dec 2013 #479
LOL so your point isn't even consistent then... Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #484
Interesting you lump moderates and conservatives together. Union Scribe Dec 2013 #485
You didn't 'turn out as always'. Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #501
Here's the ACTUAL story Union Scribe Dec 2013 #503
You proved my point - liberals don't turnout. Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #525
BS. bvar22 Jan 2014 #707
I showed you proof... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #711
You haven't "shown" anybody anything. bvar22 Jan 2014 #717
You lose. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #718
Oh here we go again with TeaLeft extremism. Good. Stay home and BITCH again. Then when the ReSCUM RBInMaine Dec 2013 #379
moderates lost Dems 2010 Union Scribe Dec 2013 #387
Progressives are the Tparty's worst nightmare fadedrose Dec 2013 #389
Voting for a third Party is throwing away your vote. another_liberal Dec 2013 #390
What else is there? fadedrose Dec 2013 #394
You will only be helping a Republican win the White House. another_liberal Dec 2013 #398
That's my hunch too.... fadedrose Dec 2013 #405
The "3rd Way" is the old DLC. bvar22 Dec 2013 #591
"sorry" is the right word... fadedrose Dec 2013 #393
I think the only difference between the third way and Republicans is Phlem Dec 2013 #455
Well done! another_liberal Dec 2013 #545
years mtasselin Dec 2013 #395
Happy to kick this great OP and wonderful thread. DUer RC created this graphic to describe ... Scuba Dec 2013 #403
+ a few million. A perfect graphic! solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #424
+1 Nailed it. ^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX Dec 2013 #426
So Spot on! Phlem Dec 2013 #457
"Most Democrats do not want to hear this and refuse to accept that it will happen" Progressive dog Dec 2013 #407
Why be anti left Dem? What is it that causes Dems to move right instead of left? L0oniX Dec 2013 #432
Because the third way trolls will berate you on DU. Phlem Dec 2013 #458
"What is it that causes Dems to move right instead of left?" winter is coming Dec 2013 #471
death by a thousand cuts. Phlem Dec 2013 #516
A democracy is based on majority rule, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #556
Now that's funny. majority rule? Phlem Dec 2013 #558
As we've had for over two hundred years, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #571
... Phlem Dec 2013 #599
Most inteligent people know that the majority is not always correct. L0oniX Dec 2013 #562
Democracy allows even the most ignorant to vote, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #570
"Democracy allows even the most ignorant to vote" L0oniX Dec 2013 #572
Absolutely, and you have a problem Progressive dog Dec 2013 #573
Why bother discussing anything with a 3rd way corporate centrist. L0oniX Dec 2013 #576
I don't know, When you learn to discuss anything with anyone, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #578
If democracy enables the 1% control our government and ignorant minds then it has failed... L0oniX Dec 2013 #580
I just wanted you to admit your dislike of democracy, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #585
I'm sure you know that this political message board is for progressives and not just democrats... L0oniX Dec 2013 #587
US progressives believe in our form of government, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #590
Project much? L0oniX Dec 2013 #592
"Project much?" Progressive dog Dec 2013 #594
I'll stop with this... you can go on ...but I'm done with responding to you. Not worth my free time. L0oniX Dec 2013 #596
If argument is measured by volume, you win Progressive dog Dec 2013 #603
They also know that enough money can convince the minority that they're the majority. winter is coming Dec 2013 #695
It's time, beacuse the 3rd way is the wrong way. raindaddy Dec 2013 #408
Run progresive candidates and I'll vote for them. 99Forever Dec 2013 #409
Don't try to convince me that I should take one for the team by voting for politicians GoneFishin Dec 2013 #411
Thank you for saying this Kentuck. dotymed Dec 2013 #412
Sounds like libdude Dec 2013 #428
it has long been inevitable stupidicus Dec 2013 #431
Just an observation, reading through these responses. woo me with science Dec 2013 #435
Mike Gravel said it: "Follow the Money!" L0oniX Dec 2013 #441
I love Mike Gravel. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #464
We need him in office. L0oniX Dec 2013 #469
Always about money. Always. woo me with science Dec 2013 #618
Great post, as usual - I would just suggest one thing... polichick Dec 2013 #445
Message was hidden by jury decision. L0oniX Dec 2013 #448
I think you are right about needing to do an end run. woo me with science Dec 2013 #616
I think that it is perhaps more fundamentally about corporations than money Agony Dec 2013 #452
I agree it's a worthwhile effort. woo me with science Dec 2013 #619
The League of Women Voters "Nailed It" back in 1988... bvar22 Dec 2013 #472
+1 This should be its own op. L0oniX Dec 2013 #586
Excellent post. woo me with science Dec 2013 #615
Excellent reminder....and it was a loss when we look at the way the debates KoKo Dec 2013 #690
"It's About The Money!" Shhhh..... KoKo Dec 2013 #689
There is no way that Dems escape their RW "corporate phase" without a paying a price Teamster Jeff Dec 2013 #446
Jeff, the Teamsters are paying a price for their "corporate phase" c'est pas. n/t saidsimplesimon Dec 2013 #456
We don't provide most of the money to the Party, but we are essential to its electability. leveymg Dec 2013 #453
Thank you kentuck, speaking for myself, saidsimplesimon Dec 2013 #460
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #466
nothing PatrynXX Dec 2013 #468
Wish I could give this another Rec. bvar22 Dec 2013 #473
Yes. fleabiscuit Dec 2013 #476
Were tired of these threats. Just leave and join the Green Party treestar Dec 2013 #491
Judging by your active participation in this thread Union Scribe Dec 2013 #495
I'm not threatening to leave the party for the nine millionth time treestar Dec 2013 #502
OMG Phlem Dec 2013 #561
We ARE the Party! Who is this 'we' you are talking about? You don't seem comfortable here among sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #706
(snicker) BKH70041 Dec 2013 #494
Crass bobduca Dec 2013 #684
So you are saying this because of the Tea Party? Rex Dec 2013 #499
K & R democrank Dec 2013 #504
Seems a long time coming. nt Deep13 Dec 2013 #526
Do whatever you damn well please and form another party. Beacool Dec 2013 #527
It's ours. We're taking back the keys. MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #528
No, it isn't. Beacool Dec 2013 #529
It's our turn. MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #530
No, it belongs to the people. Not the groups that pull out Koch money... woo me with science Dec 2013 #546
Ha! Phlem Dec 2013 #559
That’s the illusion of any real difference speaking, backed up by no real change. fleabiscuit Dec 2013 #534
That's all you have? Fear? Nothing about how your candidate... polichick Dec 2013 #551
"My candidate" hasn't even announced that she's running. Beacool Dec 2013 #553
If she does run and become prez, will she put the people ahead of corporations? polichick Dec 2013 #554
Crickets. Phlem Dec 2013 #560
Yeah, even her supporters know who would come first in an HRC admin. polichick Dec 2013 #563
No it isn't. sagat Dec 2013 #531
Agreed. As many Democrats say they support Hillary as supported any Democratic Presidential stevenleser Dec 2013 #535
Well then IMO we have something in common with the 1% and the corporations. L0oniX Dec 2013 #598
If corporate Hillary wins don't blame me. I won't vote for her under any circumstances. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #542
That's what the Tea Party said about Romney, and look how well it turned out for them. Beacool Dec 2013 #552
GOTV is now the problem, since the 'beaten downs' know the rich and their two parties don't need ancianita Dec 2013 #544
lord have mercy arely staircase Dec 2013 #557
K&R for pissing off all the RIGHT people! Rex Dec 2013 #568
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #577
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #593
The OP and this whole thread is pretty sickening Sheepshank Dec 2013 #595
Post any kind of divisive %$&* stirring and the usual folks get in line to lick the spoon. great white snark Dec 2013 #620
What's funny is watching the numbskulls call those NOT in favor of burning Number23 Dec 2013 #627
I KNOW!!! bvar22 Dec 2013 #632
May your 2014 be better than your 2013. Number23 Dec 2013 #634
What do you expect from people that believe 5 people trump 300? Rex Dec 2013 #638
This thread is a perfect showcase. bvar22 Dec 2013 #651
Extremely important statement. Feral Child Dec 2013 #610
Great job Kentuck! Phlem Dec 2013 #611
This message was self-deleted by its author Phlem Dec 2013 #662
Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers: "Real Change Is Closer Than You Think" proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #621
Good to see this OP still going strong. Autumn Dec 2013 #624
Who is on or 'not on' the REC list is an interesting read. I'm in. eom Purveyor Dec 2013 #628
Waaaa waaaaaa!! Mommy, daddy! The bad thread won't stop! Rex Dec 2013 #629
LOL... bvar22 Jan 2014 #714
We should keep this thread kicked all of 2014! Rex Jan 2014 #724
You guys rock DU. The Democratic Party? Not so much. Looks like you marshalled all the forces.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #635
Oh my God, that graphic sums up this thread so perfectly Number23 Dec 2013 #637
300 recs = an "illusion" of grandeur. Hell, you could pick up 300 recs from the tree place, y'know? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #639
ROFLLL at that pic!!! Girl, your graphics hit HOME every single time. Number23 Dec 2013 #640
Another kick so the RIGHT people don't miss this thread! Rex Dec 2013 #636
K & R. n/t GoneFishin Dec 2013 #642
I'm sorry, as a minority lgbt female, I do not have any choice but to vote for Democrats. If Zorra Dec 2013 #643
That is exactly what they are "banking" you will think. bvar22 Dec 2013 #645
I'm sure you're aware that I know that. My hope is that we can Zorra Dec 2013 #653
That's a powerful visual - disgusting, but powerful. polichick Jan 2014 #713
K&R Crewleader Dec 2013 #658
Happy New Year, Old Friend! kentuck Dec 2013 #659
You speak the truth my friend Crewleader Dec 2013 #674
another kick so minority gets it. Phlem Dec 2013 #663
I think that's a load of horse shit Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #667
You're a "moderate". You're part of the problem. Bradical79 Dec 2013 #694
moderates pay the bills Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #699
I think most of us realized TBF Dec 2013 #671
Could you provide a list of approved Democrats XRubicon Dec 2013 #675
This implies that there is no difference between republicans and Democrats, and I reject that lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #676
This message was self-deleted by its author kentuck Dec 2013 #678
Sensitive aren't you. I did NOT imply you should or should not leave, YOU DID in your OP. lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #679
I'm just sick of people that cannot or will not fight back. kentuck Dec 2013 #680
I agree. Bill Clinton, I believe, set the foundation for where the Democratic party is today, lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #681
So Bill Clinton Democrats "left" the Democratic Party? kentuck Dec 2013 #682
He definitely moved it to the right, and his policies of deregulation were right out of lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #683
l hope Warren runs too XRubicon Dec 2013 #685
I think so too. At the very least her candidacy would force an honesty on the other candidates lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #686
I believed the same about Kucinich's candidacy. bvar22 Dec 2013 #691
You have a point, but I think it might be different with Warren, maybe wishful thinking lostincalifornia Jan 2014 #704
You have a point too. bvar22 Jan 2014 #708
Kentuck, dear one... fadedrose Dec 2013 #693
I think some folks will realize... kentuck Dec 2013 #696
How bout that list? XRubicon Dec 2013 #697
If you don't know, I can't help you. kentuck Dec 2013 #698
I thought you knew who the good Democrats are??? XRubicon Dec 2013 #700
If they have a "D" by their name...? kentuck Dec 2013 #701
Thanks, Happy New Year XRubicon Dec 2013 #702
Who are the good Democrats? bvar22 Jan 2014 #733
Now we are getting somewhere XRubicon Jan 2014 #738
Funny post kentuck messiah Dec 2013 #703
This is worth kicking into the New Year. bvar22 Jan 2014 #709
MUHAHAHAHA YOU FOOLS! TPTB ARE TAKING OVER WITH THE CENTRIST PARTY! L0oniX Jan 2014 #710
K&R - This thread has been around for days now... Jasana Jan 2014 #712
THere is no Backlash from the Left , most are working within the party or on their own JI7 Jan 2014 #722
What a thread! nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #723
EJ Dionne has a good editorial on the reemergence of a Democratic left Gothmog Jan 2014 #730
Excellent points YoungDemCA Jan 2014 #734
Morning kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #732
Afternoon kick. Autumn Jan 2014 #737
Evening kick. Phlem Jan 2014 #739
See post 738 XRubicon Jan 2014 #740
Who ever replied to this, your on IGNORE. Phlem Jan 2014 #741
I knew that you had me on ignore, you are afraid of ideas... XRubicon Jan 2014 #742
kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #743
kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #744
kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #745
Wanted to KICK this important thread. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #746
kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #747
kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #748
Happy to see this inspiring thread again! polichick Jan 2014 #749
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