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Wolf Frankula

(3,595 posts)
87. Joe, No Matter How Much You Want to Be
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:29 PM
Jan 2014

No matter how much you kiss their ass, no matter how much you study, write and learn; you will never be an old money, old family, WASP. You're a sh**ny, Joe. A Old Money, Old Family WASP will go into business with you, employ you as an accountant, lawyer, doctor, or dentist, have cocktails with you at a bar, borrow from you and lend money to you, buy and sell with you, have an affair with your daughter or son, and have dinner at your house or your club. But you will never be welcome at his club, welcome at his house, or be regarded as anything other than a pushy, money grubbing Jew.

There are exceptions, or course. But that is the attitude from my experience. The OMOF Wasps would NEVER join the Klan, or the Nazis, that's vulgar and common, and will get you blackballed.
But Joe, you will NEVER be regarded as their equals.

Wolf

(Who is neither Jewish, nor an OMOF WASP, but has had experience with both. The above has been told me by members of both communities.)

wow grasswire Dec 2013 #1
+1 Liberal_in_LA Dec 2013 #5
"Wall St Journal Op-Ed" says it all. silverweb Dec 2013 #2
That is idiotic bhikkhu Dec 2013 #3
It shows the depths the WSJ op-ed page has sunk to muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #4
And live in the White House, would be MY bet. Volaris Dec 2013 #29
And yet right here on DU, you will see innumerable posts tblue37 Dec 2013 #55
There Is A Difference erpowers Dec 2013 #67
tblue37 points out the strength and weakness of political forums in a single statement Android3.14 Dec 2013 #72
I don't think it's all that serious when someone says that treestar Dec 2013 #77
peeling jaw up from floor.. 2banon Dec 2013 #14
That's not the argument Epstien is making. pscot Dec 2013 #61
I think the next twenty years are going to be interesting. Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #6
Agreed - just a different set of scumballs. polichick Dec 2013 #57
Are not Teabaggers mostly WASP? He must not have noticed them. As one who is a born WASP myself... freshwest Dec 2013 #7
I don't think most Teabaggers are "true WASPs" caraher Dec 2013 #24
But there is a world of difference between a mere WASP and a member of the WASP *elite*-- tblue37 Dec 2013 #56
You ask a good question.. whathehell Dec 2013 #79
He ain't the only one pining for the Good Old Days, is he? Number23 Dec 2013 #8
The WSJ editorial page, confirming its port-a-potty status. marmar Dec 2013 #9
jerk weissmam Dec 2013 #10
Ah yes, Joseph Epstein tomg Dec 2013 #11
Why does a guy with a last name like Epstein want America to be ruled by Rozlee Dec 2013 #12
Privilege envy nt MrScorpio Dec 2013 #13
Maybe he's not interested .... oldhippie Dec 2013 #18
"the sting of envy for WASPocracy" Laughing Mirror Dec 2013 #19
It's sad that something like that can get published today gollygee Dec 2013 #15
It was not an op-ed. former9thward Dec 2013 #16
An op-ed ProSense Dec 2013 #20
Op-Eds are published opposite the editorial page. former9thward Dec 2013 #22
Right, but it's still not the "position" of the paper. ProSense Dec 2013 #23
We agree! former9thward Dec 2013 #28
Having worked at a newspaper, OP-ED is the position of the paper. It's what clarifies the definition Hestia Dec 2013 #42
Whether or not the piece was an Op-Ed, someone at the WSJ felt it was worth publishing Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #43
I think Epstein's being mischaracterized paulkienitz Dec 2013 #17
I don't think he is, and ProSense Dec 2013 #21
I won't disagree with that part paulkienitz Dec 2013 #33
"His view of the WASPy past is indeed delusional..." ProSense Dec 2013 #50
Perfectly stated. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #71
Idiotic nevertheless bhikkhu Dec 2013 #25
you are misreading him paulkienitz Dec 2013 #32
You'll need a lot more than conveniently anecdotal bullshit to back this up... Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #34
Without the rose-tinted nostalgia, the meaning is even less bhikkhu Dec 2013 #35
I agree with you, as I read the original essay by Epstein. kwassa Dec 2013 #38
Why limit yourself to the last generation? Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #44
paulkienitz Diclotican Dec 2013 #58
That sounds very much like justification for the reprehensible, because unprovable idea you Todays_Illusion Dec 2013 #85
In a time of plutocracy, he bemoans the supposed decline of the aristocracy. enki23 Dec 2013 #26
It's revolting to us, but from their view it's an utterly logical action on their part Populist_Prole Dec 2013 #27
eh, screw the WSJ chungking34 Dec 2013 #30
More likely related to rise of repuke predator class that cheats & steals whenever it can on point Dec 2013 #31
I've read better fantasy MFrohike Dec 2013 #36
I read the original Epstein essay in the WSJ, and this OP is completely wrong. kwassa Dec 2013 #37
hogswallop brindis_desala Dec 2013 #39
Read the essay, and then make a remotely informed response. kwassa Dec 2013 #40
Agree. I read the entire thing and it's a historical piece - TBF Dec 2013 #45
I read it and... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #47
No ProSense Dec 2013 #48
Meh. Delusional or not, it's still... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #49
Really? ProSense Dec 2013 #51
Just killing time-- ignored lots of other silly threads so far today... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #53
This is ProSense Dec 2013 #54
You're just killing time, but there really is something to learn here bhikkhu Dec 2013 #65
Epstein along with most of you DUers are wrong! cprise Dec 2013 #41
If you bothered to read the piece, you would see you are wrong about it. TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #46
mistake Locrian Dec 2013 #52
The decline of while rule can be explained with just two words rocktivity Dec 2013 #59
I don't think you and the U.S. capitalists agree on the definition of free market. Todays_Illusion Dec 2013 #86
I get the WSJ at home and read that. YUCK! The author wasn't even very convincing. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #60
Wonder how he explains away the United Fruit debacle in Latin America? mbperrin Dec 2013 #62
Reagan was seen as new money by the patriarchs. alfredo Dec 2013 #63
So, seriously... drynberg Dec 2013 #64
This has to be a put on; WASP =White, Anglo-Saxon Protestant Botany Dec 2013 #66
Except for about 30 years SCVDem Dec 2013 #68
I would rather... nikto Dec 2013 #69
wasn't this the same ed board that called people too poor to pay taxes lucky duckies? nt arely staircase Dec 2013 #70
I recommend studying the "enclosure" movement, England, 17th-19th centuries... Peace Patriot Dec 2013 #73
Someone named Epstein is in favor of WASP rule? wryter2000 Dec 2013 #74
Isn't Epstein a member of a minority group? merrily Dec 2013 #75
TThe journal was always conservative, but since Murdock has taken over it has. become more so lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #76
The GOP is the party of Whites only Gothmog Dec 2013 #78
I certainly agree that being governed by a bunch of first generation greedheads truebluegreen Dec 2013 #80
from the people who gave us this arely staircase Dec 2013 #81
Now we know El Shaman Dec 2013 #82
The WSJ is about as trustworthy as... Hubert Flottz Dec 2013 #83
My head is still spinning from days ago and I first read this, Merry Christmas to America. I had to Todays_Illusion Dec 2013 #84
Joe, No Matter How Much You Want to Be Wolf Frankula Jan 2014 #87
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