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172. So are US CO2 emmisions since the late 1840's

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Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:19 PM

Jan 2014

when global warming was first predicted. Not much notice is taken of that either.

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Plutonium from Fukushima is a global catastrophe. [View all] Octafish Jan 2014 OP

Ah c'mon Octafish. Cleita Jan 2014 #1

Thanks, Cleita. That's why I posted. Few who know are talking about Fukushima in public. Octafish Jan 2014 #3

Maybe when people start discovering they have polluted a whole food supply chain, they will Cleita Jan 2014 #6

I feel the same, Cleita! countryjake Jan 2014 #15

It was brought up on the Stephanie Miller radio show... Rockyj Jan 2014 #24

Why would the media lie? Octafish Jan 2014 #96

Stephanie Miller isn't all that smart. She means well, but she's not one to go to for info. cui bono Jan 2014 #97

we don't know what to do questionseverything Jan 2014 #60

More On Fukushima Unit 3, TEPCO Fails To Explain Levels Octafish Jan 2014 #134

Starfish dying in the NW Pacific antiquie Jan 2014 #2

No, plutonium isn't killing the starfish. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #5

Ok then ...we won't worry about it. Thanks. L0oniX Jan 2014 #27

On this you should not nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #39

Oh ...my auto sarc tag isn't working again. My bad. L0oniX Jan 2014 #42

Thank you for pointing that out, antiquie. We need more information. Octafish Jan 2014 #7

I worry about my grandkids. antiquie Jan 2014 #8

That's the kicker, isn't it? Whisp Jan 2014 #30

We can protect our kids from this RobertEarl Jan 2014 #32

They'll still be human when they grow up Shivering Jemmy Jan 2014 #226

Yes, in the case of star fish yes they do nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #48

absolutely! Me too. n/t wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #138

See 39 please nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #40

Die off started before the reactor blew up. jeff47 Jan 2014 #21

Yep. Plutonium has been there awhile. RobertEarl Jan 2014 #25

So....never took a biology class, huh? jeff47 Jan 2014 #26

"there is no telling what may happen" NuclearDem Jan 2014 #29

Not like this. antiquie Jan 2014 #36

Yes, like this. In fact, it is literally this die off. jeff47 Jan 2014 #38

That has zero to do with fukushima nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #34

Plutonium G_j Jan 2014 #4

1 Millionth of One Gram of Inhaled Plutonium Will Give You Cancer -- Helen Caldicott, MD Octafish Jan 2014 #9

thank you G_j Jan 2014 #14

G_j, have you heard about this? countryjake Jan 2014 #18

yes, but I haven't seen this latest update G_j Jan 2014 #28

Corporate media and government silence on Fuku is deafening. JEB Jan 2014 #10

Thanks for the heads-up, JEB. Don't have a replacement for the original, yet. Octafish Jan 2014 #55

our granddaughter wanted to spend this summer in Japan... that was nixed in a heartbeat secondwind Jan 2014 #11

That's very good flamingdem Jan 2014 #12

Do you remember the special trip Hillary made to Japan after Fukushima? flamingdem Jan 2014 #13

So you are claiming the Obama administration is complicit? Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #63

It's more of a tendency rather than a blatant policy flamingdem Jan 2014 #74

They've done it for banksters and corporations. n/t cui bono Jan 2014 #98

Orders. Word from above... Octafish Jan 2014 #133

No. Agschmid Jan 2014 #205

Oh, BULLSHIT! ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #16

Yeah, go shopping. JEB Jan 2014 #17

You first, (in the hug your plutonium for real department with no shielding) nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #35

You do realize I was being facetious, right? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #37

When it comes to this subject my sarcasm-o-meter is non functional nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #41

Bananas! 1000words Jan 2014 #50

Phew, not the only one who noticed that meme nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #59

LOL! Plutonium is good business. Octafish Jan 2014 #67

Wrong. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #19

Natural plutonium is extremely rare. Rex Jan 2014 #20

But if it were natural, then it would be healthy and good Orrex Jan 2014 #197

I tried to buy some from GNC and they called the cops! Rex Jan 2014 #219

I've wondered if there could be a link between southerncrone Jan 2014 #101

That may be so, but the fuel in Reactor 3 is enriched with plutonium. Octafish Jan 2014 #104

I wouldn't trust TEPCO to tell us the truth no matter what. Rex Jan 2014 #122

Something like 80% of the mass of the core of the reactor at Chernobyl AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #131

It is extremely embarrassing RobertEarl Jan 2014 #22

Nuclear Information and Resource Service Octafish Jan 2014 #222

100th rec RobertEarl Jan 2014 #225

Don't worry, there's an app for that MyNameGoesHere Jan 2014 #23

Didn't they take that one off the market? Octafish Jan 2014 #70

wow, that's uhhhh flamingdem Jan 2014 #75

Not this again, Jesus! nt Logical Jan 2014 #31

Fukushima is all over the news? Octafish Jan 2014 #92

Nope. lonestarnot Jan 2014 #117

One would think, just based on the SCALE of the disaster, it'd be on TV. Octafish Jan 2014 #119

They must not like the smell of plutonium and stapelia gigantea. Sucks the breath right out of them lonestarnot Jan 2014 #147

EDIT: Original line here contained statistics I pulled out of my ass. It was wrong, and I apologize. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #33

But it's going to annihilate all life in the Northern hemisphere!!!!!!!!! jeff47 Jan 2014 #43

That is the stupidest thing I've read all day! Just how the fuck can you say that? You have ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #44

thank you G_j Jan 2014 #45

"You fuckers"? zappaman Jan 2014 #47

And all the other side has is a bunch of hyperbolic faulty reasoning. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #51

the comment G_j Jan 2014 #53

And the jury results are.... aikoaiko Jan 2014 #88

Looks like the post was edited after the alert was sent...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #109

Where did I mention starfish? Octafish Jan 2014 #49

Didn't say you did. But I know RobertEarl's OP probably triggered this OP. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #52

No. Plutonium is the trigger RobertEarl Jan 2014 #54

You're unbelievable. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #57

So, you brought it up to conflate the issues. Octafish Jan 2014 #56

Ah, Christ. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #58

"Octafish, is there anyone who disagrees with you that isn't a COINTELPRO operative? "... SidDithers Jan 2014 #61

Tag team is so profound, SidDithers. Octafish Jan 2014 #65

The BFEE are killing starfish!!...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #66

Ha ha. It is to laugh at Fascism. Octafish Jan 2014 #68

If you want honest discussion, don't attribute to me what I didn't write then. Octafish Jan 2014 #62

You really don't understand any of this, do you? RobertEarl Jan 2014 #64

"International problem" is pretty far from "global catastrophe." NuclearDem Jan 2014 #72

International problem is global. RobertEarl Jan 2014 #73

For the record, I enjoyed the DU Mail back and forth just a few minutes ago. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #76

And? RobertEarl Jan 2014 #77

You have GOT to be joking. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #79

You caught me RobertEarl Jan 2014 #80

You mean like the half a nano sievert increase in radiation over BC? NuclearDem Jan 2014 #81

See that>>> ""increase in radiation"" RobertEarl Jan 2014 #83

You know what a nano sievert is right? NuclearDem Jan 2014 #85

Concentrated RobertEarl Jan 2014 #86

Mercury contamination in fish RobertEarl Jan 2014 #87

Seriously, enough plutonium to completely contaminate the food supply? NuclearDem Jan 2014 #89

There were many tons of plutonium RobertEarl Jan 2014 #90

Again, at levels far, far below levels that would cause even minor health risks. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #91

Again RobertEarl Jan 2014 #93

Where the hell are you getting that 4.194 pCi/kg figure? NuclearDem Jan 2014 #95

It is found in this DoE report RobertEarl Jan 2014 #120

Granted those figures are in that study... NuclearDem Jan 2014 #126

Point is RobertEarl Jan 2014 #127

No. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #128

Like I say RobertEarl Jan 2014 #129

So you've got nothing else then? NuclearDem Jan 2014 #130

huh? questionseverything Jan 2014 #135

I never said that wasn't true. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #136

p239 is an isotope and lasts about 2 years questionseverything Jan 2014 #139

I think you're confusing Pu-239 with Cs-134 NuclearDem Jan 2014 #141

yes i did questionseverything Jan 2014 #143

Except that study indicated the plutonium, americium, and uranium levels corroborated with pre-2000 NuclearDem Jan 2014 #144

my theory is not either or questionseverything Jan 2014 #145

it si the nonuniform distribution in particulate form questionseverything Jan 2014 #146

Yes, questionseverything RobertEarl Jan 2014 #140

links? nt G_j Jan 2014 #71

And dismissing real concerns is being very disingenuous to the people suffering. Rex Jan 2014 #123

The word "catastrophe" may not mean what you think it means cthulu2016 Jan 2014 #46

You are so right. The lights are still on. Octafish Jan 2014 #69

What do you think it means for the Japanese? Rex Jan 2014 #124

As a child in the 1950s, I got lots of propaganda about the "promise of the peaceful atom." LongTomH Jan 2014 #78

Better Dead than Red. Octafish Jan 2014 #84

How could it not be? Whisp Jan 2014 #82

It's a disaster on a planetary scale and yet Corporate Media pretend it isn't. Octafish Jan 2014 #94

What exactly do you think it's going to do? Sirveri Jan 2014 #102

I try not to dwell on this because, frankly, there's Jack Shit that I can do about it. Electric Monk Jan 2014 #99

I feel that way too, Electric Monk. Problem is, TEPCO also feels that way, too. Octafish Jan 2014 #107

Because Justin Beiber's antics are more important southerncrone Jan 2014 #100

No one died when Justin Bieber got drunk -- but they could have. Octafish Jan 2014 #106

same with the who questionseverything Jan 2014 #137

Here's a report on plutonium from Fukushima: only detectable very close to the reactor muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #103

Here's a report where plutonium was found 40 km from the plant. Octafish Jan 2014 #105

this part shows how ununiform movement can be questionseverything Jan 2014 #121

Thank you - TBF Jan 2014 #108

It is impossible for it to impact weather patterns hack89 Jan 2014 #110

Ionizing Radiation - TBF Jan 2014 #113

Your links saying nothing about changing weather patterns hack89 Jan 2014 #115

Still reading - I found one USA Today TBF Jan 2014 #118

Krypton Gas effecting weather? RobertEarl Jan 2014 #125

Thank you! It's an older article but that's probably better - TBF Jan 2014 #132

You are most welcome, TBF. Octafish Jan 2014 #112

Very helpful - TBF Jan 2014 #114

K&R DeSwiss Jan 2014 #111

LOLOLOLOL! Thanks, DeSwiss. ...except for the Aerosolized Plutonium... Octafish Jan 2014 #116

well, I'll not argue... FreeJoe Jan 2014 #142

How Dangerous Is 400-6000 Pounds Of Plutonium Nano Particle Dust Liberated By Fukushima? Octafish Jan 2014 #148

Wow, first of all, that's a hell of a range (400-6000). NuclearDem Jan 2014 #149

I'll side with Helen Caldicott. Octafish Jan 2014 #150

What does Helen Caldicott's position on transparency have to do with the validity of her claims? NuclearDem Jan 2014 #151

Diversion, misattribution, strawmen and ad hominem attack. Octafish Jan 2014 #152

Yep, most of those were in your post. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #153

Now you are projecting. Octafish Jan 2014 #154

Projecting? You can't be serious. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #155

Perfectly serious. That's why the OP. Octafish Jan 2014 #156

Written entirely without any sort of awareness. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #158

No. Caldicott made a mistake, based on what was then known. A lot different than what you call her. Octafish Jan 2014 #159

No, she took a study that fit her preconceptions despite its numerous known flaws NuclearDem Jan 2014 #161

Again, TEPCO lies. Octafish Jan 2014 #164

Did I ever say TEPCO can be trusted? At all? NuclearDem Jan 2014 #165

Thank you for bringing some rationality to this issue. zappaman Jan 2014 #157

So, you've nothing to write about plutonium from Fukushima, zappaman. Octafish Jan 2014 #160

Nope. zappaman Jan 2014 #162

OK. I'd rather be called Brad, than Dude. Octafish Jan 2014 #167

Whatever... zappaman Jan 2014 #168

Why sources matter, from a journalist at Project Censored... Octafish Jan 2014 #170

Release of plutonium isotopes from the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant accident SidDithers Jan 2014 #163

As opposed to this? Octafish Jan 2014 #166

As everything you've republished has links to originals dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #169

It may have to do with clouding the central issue: Fukushima is a global catastrophe. Octafish Jan 2014 #171

So are US CO2 emmisions since the late 1840's dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #172

Carl Sagan and Helen Caldicott... Octafish Jan 2014 #174

You continually claim the plutonium from Fukushima is a 'global catastrophe' without any evidence muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #173

The OP and most of my replies are sourced. Octafish Jan 2014 #175

I gave you science from sources independent of TEPCO, or governments, in #103 muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #176

Great. And I gave you sources in #105 that showed where it was found 25 miles away from FNPP. Octafish Jan 2014 #177

Thank you. Now I see where you're coming from. Octafish Jan 2014 #178

And 25 miles is not 'global' (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #180

Right. But it's plutonium and found 25 times further from the plant than you reported in #103. Octafish Jan 2014 #181

No; the paper found some at 16km away too. But it's patchy muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #182

I'd rather people get the facts and use them to set policy. The phrase is democracy. Octafish Jan 2014 #184

was this supposed to be "safe" too? questionseverything Jan 2014 #187

Globalresearch.ca. LOL... SidDithers Jan 2014 #195

For the cost of Iraq War, we could've built National 100% Renewable Clean Energy Grid. Octafish Jan 2014 #224

... longship Jan 2014 #179

Exactly... SidDithers Jan 2014 #183

Don't worry. The situation may even be worse than what's posted on this thread. Octafish Jan 2014 #188

3-5 orders of magnitude less bad than Chernobyl... SidDithers Jan 2014 #189

But Helen Caldicott said Chernobyl killed nearly a million people! NuclearDem Jan 2014 #191

''3-5 orders of magnitude less than Chernobyl.'' Octafish Jan 2014 #192

Oh for crying out loud. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #198

I want you on the record about this..... Logical Jan 2014 #190

Where did I write that, Logical? Octafish Jan 2014 #193

You claim this is a real true crisis! Where is the coverage??? nt Logical Jan 2014 #196

Oh, I see. If it's not on tee vee, it's not real. Octafish Jan 2014 #204

Where is it? Why was Chernobyl on the tee vee? Or TMI??????? nt Logical Jan 2014 #208

Unfortunately, the facts say otherwise: Plutonium from Fukushima is a global catastrophe. Octafish Jan 2014 #185

ARRRRRGH!!!! longship Jan 2014 #186

They found Fukushima shit in NM? RobertEarl Jan 2014 #194

Same report said it was of no environmental concern. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #199

What is it with you? Any amount of plutonium is cause for concern. Octafish Jan 2014 #202

Alright, so you didn't read the report then. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #206

I read the article where the scientist from NMSU said they detected plutonium on March 14, 2011. Octafish Jan 2014 #207

No, that's not what he said. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #211

do you back the use of depleted uranium in weapons too? questionseverything Jan 2014 #209

Oh, there's a straw man if I ever saw it. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #212

i was just pointing out questionseverything Jan 2014 #213

What bearing does that have on this? NuclearDem Jan 2014 #214

you have been telling me for days how safe things are questionseverything Jan 2014 #215

There's a big difference between depleted uranium and the nearly-undetectable cesium in tuna. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #216

Sure they did. longship Jan 2014 #200

No wonder all you got is ridicule. Octafish Jan 2014 #201

The article itself.......... NM_Birder Jan 2014 #210

Doesn't the US military use plutonium missiles ... MindMover Jan 2014 #203

May explain the birth defects... Octafish Jan 2014 #217

Yes, plutonium is bad. Any amount in your lungs causes cancer but... ryan_cats Jan 2014 #218

An Admirable Ability. Here's what Physicians for Social Responsibility said back in March, 2011... Octafish Jan 2014 #223

I saw about a three minute report last night. lonestarnot Jan 2014 #220

Did they ask: 'What if the Fukushima nuclear fallout crisis had happened here?' Octafish Jan 2014 #221