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Demeter

(85,373 posts)
67. It's not the Lack of Liberalism, but the Lying about it that bugs me.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 02:09 PM
Jan 2014

I don't like being lied to, in my face or otherwise, when I'm paying his salary.

Yes, clearly ProSense Jan 2014 #1
if we accept the false premise that Obama is not a liberal. But, Obama is a liberal and Coyotl Jan 2014 #150
not likely. unfortunately, liberals just don't have enough institutional power these days. unblock Jan 2014 #2
I think Obama (and Clinton) were elected largely on a liberal agenda Armstead Jan 2014 #3
Democrats are our own worst enemy. The so-called "corporatists" and conservatives in the House Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #8
What a line of crap. If we need our democrats to be republicans to get elected, well what's the Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #63
Thank you, Ed. My thought exactly. Maybe the dems SHOULD start grooming Nay Jan 2014 #72
No. Maybe Dems should not attacking their own and run more progressive candidates for office. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #119
^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Jan 2014 #115
So you're saying that there are no conservative or corporate Democrats? How is it crap? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #118
It's way worse than that. lark Jan 2014 #65
Irony of ironies is that you name yourself "Liberal_Stalwart..." at the same time denigrating Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #68
No way, sure. I voted for Nader over Clinton. Twice. I voted for him over Gore a third time. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #120
only partly, and this is where the dearth of institutional liberal power comes in unblock Jan 2014 #17
Yes they were, and Hillary lost because when it came down to who was more Liberal on issues like sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #35
Read Chris Hedge's book... zentrum Jan 2014 #56
We don't have institutional power because elected Dems keep putting Pubs in Nay Jan 2014 #75
We lack the power because we keep ceding it. Scootaloo Jan 2014 #127
I agree with what you said Armstead Jan 2014 #136
Would Obama be more popular? No! We liberals will always find something else to raise the bar... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #4
+100! "failing to understand the degree of Republican obstruction" FSogol Jan 2014 #6
God forbid we should actually discuss anything on a discussion board Armstead Jan 2014 #13
So, why are you in this thread trying to stifle discussion? FSogol Jan 2014 #18
"complaining on a message board isn't doing anything" Armstead Jan 2014 #97
I don't think that disagreement with your premise is the equivalent of denying discussion LanternWaste Jan 2014 #94
Disagreement with my premise is fine. It's just the "you shouldn't complain..." Armstead Jan 2014 #98
Well then he has a chance now to take the bull by the horns regarding spying on the American people. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #36
Yes - even when Democrats controlled the House, Senate and Presidency, Maedhros Jan 2014 #55
Exactly! Phlem Jan 2014 #82
Bingo. Scuba Jan 2014 #102
"(and some of the left, too!) will always hate him because he's black." Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #9
The truth hurts, eh?...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #14
The truth never hurts. But baseless lies do. They hurt this country. So who do you know sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #37
I am a black woman who saw racism in the liberal community with my own two eyes!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #45
There is racism everywhere, but you are claiming that when people disagree with this President sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #69
i agree Armstead Jan 2014 #74
That was not the claim ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #103
She's a fucking liar! That is it. She knows I said no such thing. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #122
Talk to your friend Sid. Do you agree with him?? If so, then my premise is correct. I did not sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #128
This is flamebait. You're on full ignore. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #132
Just as I thought. Thank you! n/t sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #133
And so did the jury LS JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #154
Yep and yep. Give your time to those that deserve it. Number23 Jan 2014 #156
NO I AM NOT AND SAID NO SUCH THING!!! You know it! Where did I assert that ANYONE who doesn't Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #117
come on. you always make up arguments to attribute to other people, arguments they never made. nt dionysus Feb 2014 #160
Bravo. Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #79
You denying that it's true? That truth must really hurt something awful. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #20
LOL Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #21
I don't see anything funny about laughing about racism. Nothing funny at all. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #51
Back it up AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #87
Why is it that white people always want black people to prove racism? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #116
You were called the N word and spat upon by Democrats for supporting Obama? AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #134
You don't have to believe it. You live in a world where you don't want to believe it. That's sad. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #135
Please... AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #140
Please name specifically some of these 'people on the Left' who hate the President sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #38
Tavis Similey....oh wait.... Armstead Jan 2014 #42
I'm not referring to commentators. I'm talking about voters. Democratic voters during the primaries. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #46
That's odd, because Obama was elected by a huge margin over McCain. You would think that the 'haters sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #61
I don't doubt or question your experience. I doubt people who pose as the "liberal left" then spew GoneFishin Jan 2014 #66
So who are these people? On every single Liberal Blog I've ever been on, bigoted comments are sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #109
I have not seen any. My only point is that such racists are not like any liberals I know. GoneFishin Jan 2014 #139
Okay, I misunderstood then, thank you. My apologies and thank you for your civil response. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #141
No problem. We are nearly always on the same page. I was trying to be delicate and I muddled GoneFishin Jan 2014 #143
This is a discussion board. The purpose is to discuss. Armstead Jan 2014 #12
Oh, please with this victimhood mentality. No one is trying to shut down debate. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #19
You have every right to knock it down Armstead Jan 2014 #22
Don't sell him short Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #26
Joke all you want. There is racism in the Democratic Party and on the political left. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #47
That's rather insensitive of you Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #49
Or, you'll do what? You're insinuating that I will accuse someone on this board of hating the Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #52
LS JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #155
Yep. This thread has been nothing short of jaw dropping and illuminating. Number23 Jan 2014 #157
Interesting. Conservatives knock anyone who isn't "pure" like them. I'm a liberal. A proud liberal. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #27
It is phony in the big picture Armstead Jan 2014 #32
Maybe some folks aren't as desperate as others tblue Jan 2014 #44
We've already won the right elections and it didn't happen Armstead Jan 2014 #57
From 2008 - 2010 the Democrats held majorities in the House and Senate Maedhros Jan 2014 #91
Again, nothing in Obama's two books, nothing in his voting record, nothing in his ENTIRE speech Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #50
Let's just say I disagree withn your interpretation of their message and strategy Armstead Jan 2014 #59
Fine. Disagree all you want. We'll leave it at that. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #111
Oddly enough loyalsister Jan 2014 #95
I think he was very naive to believe that the Republicans (and some Democrats) wanted to work with Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #112
Yes! It's all about betrayal Distant Quasar Jan 2014 #108
Glad you aren't resorting to any "epitaphs." LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #64
I don't understand your post...and neither do you. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #124
Well then let's discuss what you brought to the discussion. Please name the sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #43
Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #125
'Fucking liar'. That's not an argument. See Sid's interpretation of your meaning and then get back sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #129
Post my exact words that I either implied or explicitly stated that ANYONE who disagreed with Obama Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #131
You lost me at 'fucking liar'. Speaking of flamebait. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #137
Best comment in this thread, by far MrScorpio Jan 2014 #39
It's not the Lack of Liberalism, but the Lying about it that bugs me. Demeter Jan 2014 #67
^^Thread win right here ^^ Jamaal510 Jan 2014 #126
LiberalStalwart left DU over this thread. But the support she's gotten from EVERY black poster Number23 Jan 2014 #158
Wow that's too bad. Jamaal510 Jan 2014 #159
BOG: Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. L0oniX Jan 2014 #5
"LET IT SINK" or "SWARM" bobduca Jan 2014 #24
How'd that primary of Obama work out in 2012? JoePhilly Jan 2014 #58
Liberals/Progressives played ball in 2012....and of course you have to criticize them for that too Armstead Jan 2014 #60
There were lots of them here on DU screaming for a primary. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #70
Thats one of the things DU is for...complaining and venting and arguing.... Armstead Jan 2014 #73
Seems to be the one of the primary things DU is "for" then. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #77
That's a pretty good summary. Thanks, JoePhilly. n/t pampango Jan 2014 #81
Complaining is the great American pastime, but..... Armstead Jan 2014 #86
So Putin made Obama supprt the gays? JoePhilly Jan 2014 #105
I'm fine with most of what you wrote in this Armstead Jan 2014 #121
Message to left: We don't need your votes. L0oniX Jan 2014 #85
What I actually said is ... JoePhilly Jan 2014 #107
Well, maybe there was a reason for the complaints? And yes, we are getting the message sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #142
You seem confused ... JoePhilly Jan 2014 #145
I'd be happy if your constant whining about Democrats turned into better candidates. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #146
So take the party then ... please. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #147
Well we supported Buono in NJ, you know, the Dem Candidate. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #148
And unfortunately, she lost. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #149
No, she didn't 'lose' she was a victim of the Third Way who have managed to tell the lie sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #151
You are pretty hilarious. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #152
I have to run, got more important things to do than sit around whining about Progressive Democratic sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #153
I suspect many of us Dems are asking ourselves this question lately... KoKo Jan 2014 #7
To my knowledge, neither of them considered nor called themselves "liberals". And if we had Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #15
The sales piutch was liberal.. Armstead Jan 2014 #25
My friend, you simply didn't learn about his ENTIRE political philosophy. You picked out a few issue Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #29
My stabnce was similar to yours Armstead Jan 2014 #34
True. Nothing pissed Bill Clinton off more than being called the L-word. Boomerproud Jan 2014 #90
Of course! I'd happily attend a $10,000 a plate fundraiser if only they were more liberal. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #10
Or loyalsister Jan 2014 #11
You appear to miss the point of the OP Armstead Jan 2014 #16
I don't think so loyalsister Jan 2014 #96
One of the things i always liked about Obama was his pragmatism and willingness tro compromise Armstead Jan 2014 #101
oops loyalsister Jan 2014 #104
The basic principle is the same Armstead Jan 2014 #106
And all the while loyalsister Jan 2014 #110
Really Armstead Jan 2014 #123
Yes, I'll answer. I was a Kucinich fan. I supported him before finally moving over to Obama. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #23
There's a big difference between moderation/ compromise and driving in the wrong direction Armstead Jan 2014 #28
Well, that too is a matter of opinion. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #30
Exactly my point loyalsister Jan 2014 #93
You are so right! Oh, my God. The brainwashing, anti-government, hyper-individualism has Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #114
Obama more so, Clinton no. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #31
Both are political opportunists whose primary aim is to win office. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #33
Political Science 101: That is the aim of EVERY politician. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #53
Yep. The rest is just advertising. They take whatever position is convenient. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #54
the political consensus from the last three to four decades has excluded liberals and progressives Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #40
I'd agree except to say that a lot of that was manufactured concensus Armstead Jan 2014 #41
if clintons and obama were liberals RedstDem Jan 2014 #48
Where are the true liberals? I don't see very many anymore... Sancho Jan 2014 #62
There are many true liberals...it's a very mainstream philosophy Armstead Jan 2014 #71
And the question is...do Brown, Warren, and Sanders have the ability to win a Presidential election? Sancho Jan 2014 #76
He's had plenty of support for becoming more liberal -- but he bats it away Armstead Jan 2014 #83
There is no doubt in my mind that President Obama would have pushed more liberal policies if.. DCBob Jan 2014 #78
I disagree. Armstead Jan 2014 #84
I dont think you understand how negotiations work in Washington. DCBob Jan 2014 #130
any so-called lib/lefty not familiar or that disagrees with stupidicus Jan 2014 #80
Wrong premise. They are liberals. ecstatic Jan 2014 #88
Well true but.... Armstead Jan 2014 #89
OK, that's helpful. Thanks nt ecstatic Jan 2014 #92
Flamebait. They are liberals. treestar Jan 2014 #99
k and r frwrfpos Jan 2014 #100
Yes. Americans are more liberal than our politicians RainDog Jan 2014 #113
Probably not. moondust Jan 2014 #138
Financially? Octafish Jan 2014 #144
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