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In reply to the discussion: Hypothetical Question: Would Obama and the Clintons be as successful if they were actually Liberal? [View all]loyalsister
(13,390 posts)96. I don't think so
Pragmatism and representing a population that is unfortunately more conservative than what is reflected here are unfortunate facts.
The political skill of any politician is to convince as many people as possible that they reflect their values. That will include people who disagree with each other. The result is various compromises which will disappoint pretty much everyone at some point.
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Hypothetical Question: Would Obama and the Clintons be as successful if they were actually Liberal? [View all]
Armstead
Jan 2014
OP
if we accept the false premise that Obama is not a liberal. But, Obama is a liberal and
Coyotl
Jan 2014
#150
not likely. unfortunately, liberals just don't have enough institutional power these days.
unblock
Jan 2014
#2
Democrats are our own worst enemy. The so-called "corporatists" and conservatives in the House
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#8
What a line of crap. If we need our democrats to be republicans to get elected, well what's the
Ed Suspicious
Jan 2014
#63
No. Maybe Dems should not attacking their own and run more progressive candidates for office.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#119
So you're saying that there are no conservative or corporate Democrats? How is it crap?
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#118
Irony of ironies is that you name yourself "Liberal_Stalwart..." at the same time denigrating
Ed Suspicious
Jan 2014
#68
No way, sure. I voted for Nader over Clinton. Twice. I voted for him over Gore a third time.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#120
only partly, and this is where the dearth of institutional liberal power comes in
unblock
Jan 2014
#17
Yes they were, and Hillary lost because when it came down to who was more Liberal on issues like
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#35
Would Obama be more popular? No! We liberals will always find something else to raise the bar...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#4
I don't think that disagreement with your premise is the equivalent of denying discussion
LanternWaste
Jan 2014
#94
Disagreement with my premise is fine. It's just the "you shouldn't complain..."
Armstead
Jan 2014
#98
Well then he has a chance now to take the bull by the horns regarding spying on the American people.
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#36
The truth never hurts. But baseless lies do. They hurt this country. So who do you know
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#37
I am a black woman who saw racism in the liberal community with my own two eyes!!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#45
There is racism everywhere, but you are claiming that when people disagree with this President
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#69
Talk to your friend Sid. Do you agree with him?? If so, then my premise is correct. I did not
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#128
NO I AM NOT AND SAID NO SUCH THING!!! You know it! Where did I assert that ANYONE who doesn't
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#117
come on. you always make up arguments to attribute to other people, arguments they never made. nt
dionysus
Feb 2014
#160
You denying that it's true? That truth must really hurt something awful.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#20
I don't see anything funny about laughing about racism. Nothing funny at all.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#51
Why is it that white people always want black people to prove racism?
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#116
You were called the N word and spat upon by Democrats for supporting Obama?
AgingAmerican
Jan 2014
#134
You don't have to believe it. You live in a world where you don't want to believe it. That's sad.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#135
Please name specifically some of these 'people on the Left' who hate the President
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#38
I'm not referring to commentators. I'm talking about voters. Democratic voters during the primaries.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#46
That's odd, because Obama was elected by a huge margin over McCain. You would think that the 'haters
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#61
I don't doubt or question your experience. I doubt people who pose as the "liberal left" then spew
GoneFishin
Jan 2014
#66
So who are these people? On every single Liberal Blog I've ever been on, bigoted comments are
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#109
I have not seen any. My only point is that such racists are not like any liberals I know.
GoneFishin
Jan 2014
#139
Okay, I misunderstood then, thank you. My apologies and thank you for your civil response.
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#141
No problem. We are nearly always on the same page. I was trying to be delicate and I muddled
GoneFishin
Jan 2014
#143
Oh, please with this victimhood mentality. No one is trying to shut down debate.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#19
Joke all you want. There is racism in the Democratic Party and on the political left.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#47
Or, you'll do what? You're insinuating that I will accuse someone on this board of hating the
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#52
Interesting. Conservatives knock anyone who isn't "pure" like them. I'm a liberal. A proud liberal.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#27
Again, nothing in Obama's two books, nothing in his voting record, nothing in his ENTIRE speech
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#50
Let's just say I disagree withn your interpretation of their message and strategy
Armstead
Jan 2014
#59
I think he was very naive to believe that the Republicans (and some Democrats) wanted to work with
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#112
'Fucking liar'. That's not an argument. See Sid's interpretation of your meaning and then get back
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#129
Post my exact words that I either implied or explicitly stated that ANYONE who disagreed with Obama
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#131
LiberalStalwart left DU over this thread. But the support she's gotten from EVERY black poster
Number23
Jan 2014
#158
Liberals/Progressives played ball in 2012....and of course you have to criticize them for that too
Armstead
Jan 2014
#60
Well, maybe there was a reason for the complaints? And yes, we are getting the message
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#142
I'd be happy if your constant whining about Democrats turned into better candidates.
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#146
No, she didn't 'lose' she was a victim of the Third Way who have managed to tell the lie
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#151
I have to run, got more important things to do than sit around whining about Progressive Democratic
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#153
To my knowledge, neither of them considered nor called themselves "liberals". And if we had
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#15
My friend, you simply didn't learn about his ENTIRE political philosophy. You picked out a few issue
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#29
Of course! I'd happily attend a $10,000 a plate fundraiser if only they were more liberal. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#10
One of the things i always liked about Obama was his pragmatism and willingness tro compromise
Armstead
Jan 2014
#101
Yes, I'll answer. I was a Kucinich fan. I supported him before finally moving over to Obama.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#23
There's a big difference between moderation/ compromise and driving in the wrong direction
Armstead
Jan 2014
#28
You are so right! Oh, my God. The brainwashing, anti-government, hyper-individualism has
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2014
#114
Yep. The rest is just advertising. They take whatever position is convenient.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2014
#54
the political consensus from the last three to four decades has excluded liberals and progressives
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2014
#40
And the question is...do Brown, Warren, and Sanders have the ability to win a Presidential election?
Sancho
Jan 2014
#76