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HereSince1628

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10. My concerns with your 8 wishes and I'm a non-gun owner...
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 04:16 PM
Feb 2014

1. Universal Background Checks

What are you going to check against? The FBI's instant background check is full of holes...background checks can't be any better than the database against which purchases are checked. Although much concern is about the mentally ill who aren't on the list, the worst holes in the database are persons with prison sentences from misdemeanors or felonies with 2-3 year sentences.

2. Safe storage laws...
That's fine, but compliance is the problem with all laws. People feel exceptional about laws for various reasons, but it's not much imagination to see a gun for protection isn't much good if it is unloaded inside a safe in another room of a residence. It might be argued that people who feel they need protection from home invasions are too paranoid to deserve gun ownership, but that argument isn't going to hold up. Even Pres. Obama thinks a weapon for home protection in rural areas is reasonable. A person with such worries is going to balance their anxiety about personal security against the possibility of getting caught...guns are going to be left out. Shit is going to continue to happen.

3. Mandatory training for the lawful use of firearms before first purchase...
Yes, but things change with time...refresher training and updates on backgrounds should be required which suggests that licenses should not only be for purchase but for continued ownership.

4. Beef up the BATFE to go after corrupt dealers and citizens.
It's unclear what this means, especially with respect to citizens...most people caught trying to buy a weapon by NICS is because their names are in the NICS because of a conviction.

5. Strict regulations for CCW....
I have similar concerns to 2 and 3. I don't oppose this, but it's not a leakproof bucket. Weapons are often used during emotionally charged interpersonal conflicts. Such emotional events are unpredictable, as are the responses of persons involved. It's quite possible for a person to pass a test with correct answers but not to follow through during a future interpersonal conflict when a gun is carried.

6. National registration with the caveat that the database can never be used for confiscation.
I suppose you expect the registration to give police/security forces forewarning of possible presence of a weapon. That information cuts in both directions with respect to public safety. Police and security forces get emotional too. People are going to be driving other people's vehicles... a too well emotionally primed police response in routine traffic stops is going to get people shot.

7. Mag limits of 10 for handguns and 30 for long rifles...
This isn't an operational statement. Long guns not in use should be transported unloaded. The capacity of the magazine should reflect the way it is being used. Hunters don't need and in most states can't be loaded with 30 rounds. Target shooting on a licensed and permitted range might involve more magazine capacity

8. Repeal of all SYG laws...
I think you mean the right to self-defense laws and defense of home, not just castle doctrine

And what are you prepaired to do to get those things? clffrdjk Feb 2014 #1
National reciprocity. sked14 Feb 2014 #2
National reciprocity does not effect me at all clffrdjk Feb 2014 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author sked14 Feb 2014 #13
Then you can understand clffrdjk Feb 2014 #15
I understand. sked14 Feb 2014 #16
Sorry not interested. I prefer to keep reciprocity at the state level as it makes ... spin Feb 2014 #12
Good point. sked14 Feb 2014 #14
I agree with you on several of your ideas and disagree on others. ... spin Feb 2014 #21
I bought a pistol in Bakersfield CA a few years back. upaloopa Feb 2014 #3
I firmly believe that we will never legislate our way out of gun violence, sked14 Feb 2014 #5
And when the majority of states refuse to comply? Lurks Often Feb 2014 #6
All my suggestions would have to be done on the federal level sked14 Feb 2014 #8
Today's 9th circuit ruling clffrdjk Feb 2014 #9
I think you are overly optimistic about a SCOTUS ruling Lurks Often Feb 2014 #11
K&R for a thoughtful op with an attempt to foster discussion. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #7
My concerns with your 8 wishes and I'm a non-gun owner... HereSince1628 Feb 2014 #10
Here is what will REALLY Happen wocaonimabi Feb 2014 #17
When you start with saying "your precious" sked14 Feb 2014 #18
I have been told sarisataka Feb 2014 #19
I think we should drop the issue. Laelth Feb 2014 #20
There is only one effective option on this issue, total disarmament and start Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #22
While I could argue with all of your points customerserviceguy Feb 2014 #23
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