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deutsey

(20,166 posts)
64. I'm not sorry
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:26 AM
Feb 2014

But I try to develop my self awareness of how being a straight white male has worked in my favor and to the detriment of others as a result of the privilege this gives people like me.

My eyes were first opened to this by Utah Phillips and his recollection of his friendship with a "Catholic anarchist, pacifist" and "one-man revolution" named Ammon Hennacy:

Tougher'n nails, heart of gold, fella by the name of Ammon Hennacy. Anybody know that name? Ammon Hennacy? One of Dorothy Day's people, the Catholic workers, during the Thirties they started houses of hospitality all over the country; there're about eighty of 'em now.

Ammon Hennacy was one of those; he'd come west to start this house I'd found called The Joe Hill House of Hospitality. Ammon Hennacy was a Catholic anarchist, pacifist, draft-dodger of two World Wars, tax refuser, vegetarian, one-man revolution in America - I think that about covers it.

First thing he said, after he got to know me, he said: "You know you love the country. You love it. You come in and out of town on those trains singin' songs about different places and beautiful people. You know you love the country; you just can't stand the government. Get it straight." He quoted Mark Twain to me: "Loyalty to the country always; loyalty to the government when it deserves it." Get it straight -It was an essential distinction I had been neglecting.

And then he had to reach out and grapple with the violence, but he did that with all the people around him. These second World War vets, you know, on medical disabilities and all drunked up; the house was filled with violence, which Ammon, as a pacifist, dealt with - every moment, every day of his life. He said, "You got to be a pacifist." I said, "Why?" He said, "It'll save your life." And my behavior was very violent then.

I said, "What is it?" And he said, "Well I can't give you a book by Gandhi - you wouldn't understand it. I can't give you a list of rules that if you sign it you're a pacifist." He said, "You look at it like booze. You know, alcoholism will kill somebody, until they finally get the courage to sit in a circle of people like that and put their hand up in the air and say, 'Hi, my name's Utah, I'm an alcoholic.' And then you can begin to deal with the behavior, you see, and have the people define it for you whose lives you've destroyed."

He said, "It's the same with violence. You know, an alcoholic, they can be dry for twenty years; they're never gonna sit in that circle and put their hand up and say, 'Well, I'm not alcoholic anymore' - no, they're still gonna put their hand up and say, 'Hi, my name's Utah, I'm an alcoholic.' It's the same with violence. You gotta be able to put your hand in the air and acknowledge your capacity for violence, and then deal with the behavior, and have the people whose lives you messed with define that behavior for you, you see. And it's not gonna go away - you're gonna be dealing with it every moment in every situation for the rest of your life."

I said, "Okay, I'll try that," and Ammon said "It's not enough!"

I said: "Oh."

He said, "You were born a white man in mid-twentieth century industrial America. You came into the world armed to the teeth with an arsenal of weapons. The weapons of privilege, racial privilege, sexual privilege, economic privilege. You wanna be a pacifist, it's not just giving up guns and knives and clubs and fists and angry words, but giving up the weapons of privilege, and going into the world completely disarmed. Try that."

I'm a straight white male [View all] NobodyHere Feb 2014 OP
Apology accepted. Marie Marie Feb 2014 #1
I see this thread going places! actslikeacarrot Feb 2014 #2
Well... Don't do it again. Now go to bed. Bonx Feb 2014 #3
Nice try? M0rpheus Feb 2014 #4
As long as you get a laugh NobodyHere Feb 2014 #6
It's been a good day for me. M0rpheus Feb 2014 #10
Happy Friday! JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #34
Happy Friday! M0rpheus Feb 2014 #55
Damn, it IS Friday! Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #71
Ok, as long as you go around with a guilty conscience quinnox Feb 2014 #5
I am a straight white male. (WASP even) Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #7
I'm not sorry either. You're responding to a strawman. n/t nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #21
Ba-Zinga!! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #70
I'm a straight white male and I have the lovely Marilyn Monroe Jetboy Feb 2014 #8
I accept your apology. Don't let it happen again. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #9
Do you have any advice NobodyHere Feb 2014 #11
Well the unarmed black teens who were gunned down recently didn't ask to be black Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #12
Yeah there's a big advantage they won't admit....they will never fear some VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #14
Like the Florida movie texter? edbermac Feb 2014 #15
fewer and farther between.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #17
The big difference Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #19
Zimmy had run-ins before that. edbermac Feb 2014 #22
You think if Trayvon was white the same thing would have happened? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #23
A guy that picks a fight with a cop and beats up his ex-fiancee? edbermac Feb 2014 #24
LOL...you're funny Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #25
Did you read the article, yes or no? edbermac Feb 2014 #27
It was an article on his background Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #29
I just don't buy he'd let a white stranger slide by him. edbermac Feb 2014 #31
That may be true, but I don't think it doesn't discount the profiling, IMO. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #80
Cali I think I misread one of your posts. edbermac Feb 2014 #119
I think a serious Conservative troll infestation is going on... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author edbermac Feb 2014 #113
You have GOT to be fucking joking. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #173
What???? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #174
Not in the least. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #175
NO.....but RACIAL equality is a platform for DEMOCRATS....being in denial doesn't change that fact. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #176
Where has anybody here gone against equality? Where?!? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #177
by denying that White men are privileged....THAT is..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #178
I'm not even sure if this stupidity deserves much of a response. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #180
NO your stupid belief that White men are NOT privileged is the problem..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #181
I think you're deluded if you think Zimmerman didn't racially profile Trayvon Martin gollygee Feb 2014 #38
You've got to be joking. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #48
Try doing a poll on how many white people have lived in fear of some other white people.. Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #32
Did they target you because you're white? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #47
"No one is out to persecute you for being a straight white male." It would certainly help........... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #77
It would be helpful if straight White men would ADMIT that the problems even exist.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #117
I'm not denying that the problems exist. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #128
YES you and several others ARE....BUT we do have a number of men on DU VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #133
..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #135
If you are NOT a White male there is nothing "illusion" about it... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #137
You seem to have missed my point again. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #142
NO YOU are the one missing the point...if you are NOT the disadvantaged population.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #144
Whoosh.....went right over your head. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #145
No that sound you hear is the cognitive dissonance between your ears... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #146
And? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #147
Yes actually it IS exactly how you describe it... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #148
I'm afraid I'm at a loss here. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #154
the ONLY problem is.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #155
There is no fact that I haven't accepted. Not at all. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #157
You haven't accepted the FACT that you are part of a privileged class! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #158
...... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #159
there is nothing to disagree about....White Males do NOT suffer the disadvantages...of being VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #161
". there is nothing to disagree about..." There wouldn't be, certainly..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #163
it is NOT a problem of "terminology".... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #164
Yes it is. Unfortunately, it certainly is. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #165
NO it is NOT....YOU are a privileged White male.....get over it! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #166
those are the ONLY things YOU can think of because you are not one of the OTHER classes VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #156
..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #162
"Did they target you because you're white?" I believe so. Also because I had long hair and rode a Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #98
I suspect your being targeted had little ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #106
And just *how* did you come to this conclusion?? n/t Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #124
Your own words - Ms. Toad Feb 2014 #129
I thought my original response made it clear that I was white.... Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #131
I also happen to be white - Ms. Toad Feb 2014 #132
not BECAUSE you were White.....that was BECAUSE you were a biker.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #118
"do you think they would have treated a Black biker the same way?" I don't know, mainly due to Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #125
That is kind of the entire point. Ms. Toad Feb 2014 #130
That has NOTHING to do with it.....this persons problem was the fact you were a biker...YOU VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #134
You CANNOT be serious..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #116
Speaking of cognitive dissonance, which you seem to have trouble with, please explain... Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #123
YOU are having cognitive dissonance if YOU think people being afraid of you because you dress VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #138
"You sound like a republican that thinks being Gay is a choice..." Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #149
the fact that YOU choose to dress like a bike is not Ad Hominem.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #150
The fact that you can't even recognize your own ad hominem attack only further proves my Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #167
that is a fucking insult to those who HAVE experienced REAL racism and sexism VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #168
and this tells me YOU just don't "get" racism OR sexism.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #169
You can take your bandana off.....a female cannot grow a penis...nor can a Black person VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #170
It's not really so much an "advantage" for white folks..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #136
If you do not suffer the disadvantages....then YOU are advantaged! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #139
The word doesn't quite work that way. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #141
Yes actually it DOES.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #151
not some...WHITE MEN! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #152
Perfect answer malaise Feb 2014 #44
Thanks! Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #68
Yeah, here's the user manual Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #26
lol! nt ecstatic Feb 2014 #87
. Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #171
"Well, nobody's perfect" edbermac Feb 2014 #13
Are these guys cousins? Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #30
So - you are the one who looked at those women on the SI cover The Straight Story Feb 2014 #16
hahahahahahahah Brilliant Straight.....simply sublime! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #120
And Im just a little lost black piglet LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #18
Which doesn't make you evil, but doesn't make you special either. Just human like everyone else. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #20
I agree completely. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #78
Cat picture would have been nice gesture to go with the OP. Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #28
What an amazingly cute little fuzz ball. What a great way to start the day. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #37
I considered gollygee Feb 2014 #39
Well if you won't... NuclearDem Feb 2014 #46
LOL gollygee Feb 2014 #51
yes you are Skittles Feb 2014 #33
Me too DiverDave Feb 2014 #35
What are you sorry for? nt. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #36
Louis CK describes your problem perfectly. Heidi Feb 2014 #40
Bravo!! Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #42
I LOVE this bit! smokey nj Feb 2014 #50
whoops wrong spot. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #88
Hilarious gollygee Feb 2014 #52
I figured we might as well use this opportunity to shed some light Heidi Feb 2014 #54
His gollygee Feb 2014 #56
One never knows. Heidi Feb 2014 #57
Ha! gollygee Feb 2014 #58
Fabulous! theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #82
Excellent! n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #89
Cute bit; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #109
No going back in time for you! Heidi Feb 2014 #111
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #114
OMG ....simply Brilliant Heidi! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #121
Most Likely, you are. very Sorry. As sorry as sorry can be. If you know what i mean CBGLuthier Feb 2014 #41
Here, let me play you the song of your people: Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #43
Oh, dear. Heidi Feb 2014 #49
+100 nt Tien1985 Feb 2014 #108
Thinly veiled. Earth_First Feb 2014 #45
You should be sorry Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #53
I'm sorry, too. Iggo Feb 2014 #59
Not me. "I'm a street walking cheetah w/ a heart full of napalm, I'm a runaway son of the nuclear A FSogol Feb 2014 #60
You're also the world's forgotten boy... Poor you... nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #63
Why the attack on Freddie Mercury? seattledo Feb 2014 #126
You can't spell strawman without swm. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #61
Thread Winner! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #110
Well isn't that special? Rex Feb 2014 #62
I'm not sorry deutsey Feb 2014 #64
+ infinity!!! Heidi Feb 2014 #65
Hola! deutsey Feb 2014 #67
Thank you. Wish this was an OP so I could K&R Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #72
Excellent post theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #83
...and that's ok !!! clarice Feb 2014 #66
Happy Passive Aggressive Day ! sufrommich Feb 2014 #69
Great post! PAD is such a terrific day. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #73
I see two very good responses to your trolly passive aggressive bullshit in this thread Kali Feb 2014 #74
I stand with Kali. Testify. Witness. Present. Here. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #75
When did you develope this line of thinking in your life ? upaloopa Feb 2014 #79
it takes time, it takes learning to really listen (very difficult for me), and it takes observation Kali Feb 2014 #81
So I'm just a WHINER??? DiverDave Feb 2014 #84
well Kali Feb 2014 #86
This, x1,000! AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #172
See you are so enlightened you know that I am upaloopa Feb 2014 #92
ok Kali Feb 2014 #94
Nope, poster's just kneejerking. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #96
I am too and I blame my parents it's all their fault upaloopa Feb 2014 #76
You have no reason to be sorry for anything MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #85
You poor thing, you. hunter Feb 2014 #90
LOL. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #91
Are you sorry you are a st wh male or are you a st wh male and sorry or do the 2 have nothing uppityperson Feb 2014 #93
Oh, dear. Multiple choice question. Heidi Feb 2014 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Feb 2014 #97
you're the guy from the hamburger train, right? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Feb 2014 #101
uh, yeah........ alittlelark Feb 2014 #102
Given the number of posts you have... you're also a TROLL. n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #103
lol d_b Feb 2014 #104
That's ok, everyone's gotta be something goldent Feb 2014 #105
What are you sorry for? 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #107
That it's essentially a hit-and-run OP Heidi Feb 2014 #112
Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #115
lame. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #122
Well I'm a gay white male and I want you to be MORE SORRY. sibelian Feb 2014 #127
One of my favorite Simpsons moments: Initech Feb 2014 #140
Well, the Simpsons always did have a knack for humor. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #143
And I'm a white Latin female of Spanish grandparents. Are we all giving our background/ethnicity Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #153
"I won't go to jail." (Sung to the tune of "I'm an Old Cow-hand...") WinkyDink Feb 2014 #160
me too, bro.... mike_c Feb 2014 #179
Heh, lulz. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #182
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