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yewberry

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139. Because it's really important for people to a place
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 11:56 AM
Feb 2014

to discuss the burning issues of our time, like what totally hot celebs they'd like to date, or how men are actually the ones who are objectified by society.

Thank you. Very well put. n/t TDale313 Feb 2014 #1
Well said kcr Feb 2014 #2
You know what else is embarrassing? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #3
Do you think that objectification of women is a problem? DanTex Feb 2014 #4
It is, but... TreasonousBastard Feb 2014 #5
Maybe if some posters were less dedicated to turning DU into FreeRepublic 2.0, it wouldn't be needed Scootaloo Feb 2014 #16
+1 nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #35
More like Facebook. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #48
It's been trending that way for some time theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #87
I used to recommend DU to all my progressive friends. No more. CTyankee Feb 2014 #91
I still think an enforcement of the rules could help turn things around. theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #93
Sometimes it requires courage by the faint of heart... CTyankee Feb 2014 #94
I did too. I stopped when one friend looked in and basically asked me what the hell was wrong with Squinch Feb 2014 #95
I'd like it to be art friendly, too. CTyankee Feb 2014 #99
I'm a bit out of the loop theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #102
Our very own Manny Goldstein....has quite the following at CC. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #140
Okay, next dumb question theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #143
Conservative Cave...it's a site of people who devote waaaaayyyyy msanthrope Feb 2014 #150
What is the problem with Cooking and Baking? CTyankee Feb 2014 #171
I think they're into food play. Sitophilia is a serious condition. We should not mock. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #175
I've seen other conservative sites with a DU subforum, but THIS! Scootaloo Feb 2014 #180
Look, while they are posting, they are not goat-fucking and/or otherwise msanthrope Feb 2014 #183
Looks like they don't like me Scootaloo Feb 2014 #186
Conservative Cave. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #151
Be thankful that you are out of the loop on CC. AngryOldDem Feb 2014 #262
NO ONE with a brain, a clue or smart enough to find either will be even REMOTELY surprised by that Number23 Feb 2014 #232
You Better Believe It! nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #265
I hear you, CTYankee and Number 23 perfectly. freshwest Apr 2014 #305
I had someone sign up as me there. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #299
Not surprising...they do that from time to time, when they are not fucking goats. nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #300
They are very mean spirited. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #301
You gotta be mean as all hell to fuck goats. nt. msanthrope Mar 2014 #302
What surprises me is that no one gets that the stylists on the photo shoot Cleita Feb 2014 #220
I didn't know that the art director or photographer had The Three Graces in mind but I CTyankee Feb 2014 #237
Who knows what the photo shoot stylists had in mind but being that they have art backgrounds, Cleita Feb 2014 #256
THANKS, yank! elleng Feb 2014 #277
Hi there, ellen! Nice to see ya! CTyankee Feb 2014 #295
Wild guess BainsBane Feb 2014 #284
One of the interesting things about the treatment in Renaissance female nudes is the CTyankee Feb 2014 #291
Thanks for this post, CTyankee Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #294
I used to recommend DU to friends and other DFLers I met, but I'd never do that now. myrna minx Feb 2014 #241
At least we got through Valentines Day without the whole Cupid and Psyche marriage in art. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #168
You mean this? CTyankee Feb 2014 #244
That's absolutely gorgeous. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #259
Isn't it? It is in the Louvre... CTyankee Feb 2014 #260
I've met feminists who view the story as an excuse for soft core porn.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #275
Of course, no doubt this is highly stylized in the Neoclassical era of art. CTyankee Feb 2014 #280
What's funny is I've met Christians who take offense thinking it's sex with an angel.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #283
now that's hysterical! Sex with an angel! CTyankee Feb 2014 #286
Beautiful! JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #293
If you don't think posting on message boards serves any purpose, then don't do it... DanTex Feb 2014 #18
Ba-Zinga!! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #149
Clearly you haven't paid attention BainsBane Feb 2014 #25
Hi-ho, hi-ho, it's to the trash we go... regnaD kciN Feb 2014 #29
wow. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #121
And why is it so damn hard to keep the Kate Upton photos out of GD? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #32
why is ok to post them in the Lounge or the Men's Group either? TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #73
You know, the Kate Upton thing probably shouldn't have been posted anywhere on DU. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #74
Agreed. theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #127
+1! CrispyQ Feb 2014 #120
Thank you, TorchTheWitch. I stand with you. I hear your voice. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #124
Because it's really important for people to a place yewberry Feb 2014 #139
Here's the thing ... both people of color and LGBT feel crapped on, too kwassa Feb 2014 #211
Where's the trash on LGBT people or people of color groups? TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #234
You just proved that person's point. The evidence is everywhere. I would add Jews and various other stevenleser Feb 2014 #246
I think you misunderstood. There is no White Group and there is no Straight Group. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #264
The trashing still occurs, whether or not it takes place in a forum dedicated to it. kwassa Feb 2014 #276
I haven't been posting lately plantwomyn Feb 2014 #233
Excellent! nt Tumbulu Feb 2014 #296
It was posted to goad people. Otherwise it would have been posted in the lounge -- or not at all. pnwmom Feb 2014 #65
question for you pnwmom ... why is OK to goad people in The Lounge? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #134
The lounge doesn't pretend to be a place for political discussions. pnwmom Feb 2014 #176
I could agree but, remember The Lounge Wars ... or Doors ... or Olive Garden or Asian Woodcarver Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #177
+1 dorkzilla Feb 2014 #206
after 170 recomended a thread clearly laying it out- dozens still pretended to be confused that it bettyellen Feb 2014 #6
Blah bla blah. We admit it. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #7
This is What I'm Hearing tea and oranges Feb 2014 #58
then you need to get your hearing checked. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #77
False equivalency. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #84
Actually that's not the only possible reason mythology Feb 2014 #219
MRA is sn insult onto itself. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #236
Your post above said exactly what was paraphrased by Democracyinkind. Squinch Feb 2014 #98
Yeah. I am saying this flame baiting by both sides is Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #165
Damn, thought that was going away for awhile quinnox Feb 2014 #8
Yet you responded. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #10
On certain topics, we should all agree. DanTex Feb 2014 #13
I have seen feminists on Du say they had no problem with the swimsuit pics quinnox Feb 2014 #20
I'm referencing people who don't think that objectification of women is a problem. DanTex Feb 2014 #22
I have no problem with the "swimsuit pics," in and of themselves, either. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #36
This is part of the problem... Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #85
Actually, that's PRECISELY the issue. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #263
Won't be hard to forget that at all. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #269
You are equally welcome. n/t ElboRuum Feb 2014 #271
Feminism IS politics. RBStevens Feb 2014 #155
K&R. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #9
Why? ElboRuum Feb 2014 #11
Because objectification of women is a serious problem. DanTex Feb 2014 #15
Is it? ElboRuum Feb 2014 #23
Yes. It is. DanTex Feb 2014 #24
What is reactionary about questioning something that is questionable? ElboRuum Feb 2014 #26
Correct. I am stating as fact that women are objectified in our society. DanTex Feb 2014 #28
And it isn't a fact. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #33
It's not that I can't debate it, it's that I don't want to. DanTex Feb 2014 #38
You don't want to debate it... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #54
Somewhere between 1 in 6 and 1 in 3 women will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #42
So take the statistic as you've provided... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #52
Porn does not cause rape. I've never remotely believed that. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #55
A word about humans... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #64
"...a society sterilized of Kate Upton's boobs"? I've never advocated such a thing and never would. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #70
Allow me to clarify... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #79
Do what you will. I was just trying to explain why people might have issues with it. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #80
It is like debating Slavery or the LGBT issue. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #138
Actually, no it isn't anything like that. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #252
Yes sir. Thank you, sir. May I have some more please, sir. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #255
Sure. I see no bottom to that well. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #258
Well is amighty deep subject. Keep digging. I Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #288
Well, well, well, well. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #292
I tend to avoid the specific term "objectification" because it is quite loaded, and subjective. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #39
See, now THIS... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #47
"Gender-baiting nonsense"? Us poor oppressed men, how will we ever manage in this cruel world? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #50
No... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #53
I just don't see how these discussions are personally harmful to anyone. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #57
I would agree that they would be beneficial... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #72
"How dare you look at bikini models"? At most it might be, "How dare you post them on DU." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #76
I submit... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #81
But they have no power to do so, and very likely never will. So even if your assumption is correct nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #82
Oh,god smirkymonkey Feb 2014 #214
Hey, thanks! ElboRuum Feb 2014 #248
Loaded and subjective? It is scary how people here are in denial. redqueen Feb 2014 #96
I meant how the term is used in everyday life. Not its academic usage, which is more clear. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #100
People misuse the word 'racism' too, that doesn't make it loaded or subjective. redqueen Feb 2014 #103
I agree the "soft sciences" are often too easily dismissed. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #105
not only denying something we see everyday - it is denying the feelings of so many DUers matter bettyellen Feb 2014 #279
+1 nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #298
And the objectification of women is RBStevens Feb 2014 #157
There's general consensus that most forms of male privilege are unfair, wrong, harmful, etc. redqueen Feb 2014 #162
I'd venture to suggest that objectification RBStevens Feb 2014 #166
I wholeheartedly agree. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #167
"....no analogy too torturously flawed, no dissmissive or mocking taunt too low" YES, PREACH IT, bettyellen Feb 2014 #223
The more desperate the tactics, redqueen Feb 2014 #240
The "Objectification Theory." Here it is kids, we've jumped the shark. Squinch Feb 2014 #104
He's been reading in the mens group. boston bean Feb 2014 #128
I bet they get along really well with the climate deniers. Same mental process involved. Squinch Feb 2014 #132
Actually, the Men's Group... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #268
Like Hoop Hopes wasn't out of line with his disturbing verbal assault because "he's so funny" bettyellen Feb 2014 #190
HopeHoops was PPRed during DU3 - there are no mods pintobean Feb 2014 #199
+10 RC Feb 2014 #210
Hoop Hopes had so many people defending his disgusting and disturbing behavior it repulsed 99% of bettyellen Feb 2014 #216
Yes, Squinch. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #251
Yes. We get that you see no validity in the concept of objectification. Squinch Feb 2014 #267
Yes, I am a phallopressor of the worst order... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #270
The content of your previous posts has not made me Squinch Feb 2014 #272
Typical response. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #273
Nobody is shaming you smirkymonkey Feb 2014 #213
Oh, I beg to differ. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #254
When swaggering confidently into a thread about objectification of women bobduca Feb 2014 #247
Why? ElboRuum Feb 2014 #257
recently a HoF regular posted this Doctor_J Mar 2014 #303
It's embarrassing that DU can't have a civil discussion in the first place 1000words Feb 2014 #12
That is precisely the response of people who insist on reducing issues of equality BainsBane Feb 2014 #31
Yeah, it's really a shame we can't discuss violence against women without someone crying "misandry!" nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #44
"...or shared with a therapist." Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #61
Heh ... 1000words Feb 2014 #63
Agreed. GD is where folks come to shame or be shamed Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #109
Are you referring to your own post? Is this irony? Squinch Feb 2014 #136
... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #14
heh quinnox Feb 2014 #17
LOL! Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #113
Commodification cvoogt Feb 2014 #19
That's certainly a huge part of the problem, at least. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #45
Two small nitpicks... it isn't simply images of women. Images of women are great. redqueen Feb 2014 #114
As with anything cvoogt Feb 2014 #133
The fact that very few people even consider it a problem is meaningful. redqueen Feb 2014 #137
Pathologizing does not mean they can't help it cvoogt Feb 2014 #161
True, thanks. redqueen Feb 2014 #163
Agreed cvoogt Feb 2014 #164
Now, this is a good point of departure for discussion. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #116
+1 deutsey Feb 2014 #129
Well said Tumbulu Feb 2014 #21
I'm not ashamed. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #27
Collectively ashamed doesn't mean you in particular. DanTex Feb 2014 #30
Yes it is a meaningful concept... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #37
Yes, OF COURSE he could only be doing this for his own aggrandizement, right? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #46
No, he's doing it... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #56
"Authoritarian"? Exactly who is trying to control or restrict anyone here? Sounds a little paranoid nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #59
No, that's the point. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #68
Fair enough. I still don't really see it that way, but I can understand where you got the idea from. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #71
+ a million quinnox Feb 2014 #62
Absolutely wonderful and fantastic way senseandsensibility Feb 2014 #49
I didn't miss the point. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #169
I see. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #40
I believe Objectification is a problem LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #34
Yes, absolutely. kcr Feb 2014 #43
I agree. senseandsensibility Feb 2014 #51
The only thing necessary here is a little courtesy. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #60
I agree 100% with your post. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #92
A discussion about why SI has the swimsuit issue would have been interesting. But the chortles pnwmom Feb 2014 #67
It was posted to instigate Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #88
Yes it was Bobbie Jo - there is context that some are either unaware of or purposely ignoring. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #89
Well said, Dan Tex BainsBane Feb 2014 #41
Thank you for getting it. Many men here do, which is gratifying. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #66
10 years ago DU mocked the media for the nipplegate controversy. JVS Feb 2014 #75
Yeah, back then I got shouted down for saying that the phrase "throws like a girl" is offensive. redqueen Feb 2014 #122
If you want an echo chamber of agreement LittleBlue Feb 2014 #78
So, expound upon your disagreement regarding objectification. boston bean Feb 2014 #123
Distortion: Minimizing sexual objectification as "an opinion on bikinis" nt redqueen Feb 2014 #130
Do we want an echo chamber of agreement when It comes to Black or LGBT issues? n/t Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #141
I do! Squinch Feb 2014 #285
Could there be any doubt about it? Am I or am I not Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #289
One has to wonder. Squinch Feb 2014 #290
Trash Katashi_itto Feb 2014 #83
of course. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #148
Just further evidence that there's a whole lot of right-wingers here, pretending ... Scuba Feb 2014 #86
Ba-Zinga!! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #152
Citation, please Orrex Feb 2014 #90
Here's one - in this very thread. cyberswede Feb 2014 #118
So the reply to the OP is what inspired the OP? Orrex Feb 2014 #172
LOL - I was just pointing out that one doesn't have to look very far cyberswede Feb 2014 #174
Well, ok. That was indeed a dumb post. Orrex Feb 2014 #198
The conflict seems to start plantwomyn Feb 2014 #235
When models who have nothing to do with sports are plastered wearing almost nothing, redqueen Feb 2014 #238
Surely no one would never post dehumanizing pictures of men in hypersexualized poses Orrex Feb 2014 #242
Well hey, thanks for outing yourself as one of the few here dedicated to mendacity. redqueen Feb 2014 #245
So you were objectifying those men, but you were doing it for some higher purpose Orrex Feb 2014 #249
You were in the thread. You've seen my other posts. You don't care about facts redqueen Feb 2014 #250
Note for those reading along: Orrex Feb 2014 #281
The wallowing in the worst aspects of male privilege is amazing. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #97
Wallowing. Nice first world problem. Guess some don't see their own privilege. Video and more: The Straight Story Feb 2014 #106
*facepalm* FOX News is way ahead of you with this talking point... DanTex Feb 2014 #107
Ah, so Americans don't have privilege? The Straight Story Feb 2014 #108
And that is relevant to the objectification of women because of _________________? DanTex Feb 2014 #112
No, was thinking more along the lines of..... The Straight Story Feb 2014 #119
If you think this is about women getting paid to be on a magazine cover, you are really missing it. DanTex Feb 2014 #125
No, I can see the forest even with all those trees blocking the way The Straight Story Feb 2014 #135
Women and men are treated differently by society. It's not symmetric. DanTex Feb 2014 #142
Just to add, since you mentioned men wearing suits. DanTex Feb 2014 #153
Well said. Thank you. RBStevens Feb 2014 #159
EXACTLY!!!!!! Thank you, DanTex, for the voice of reason. n/t FourScore Feb 2014 #101
Oh look, another hide thread. TransitJohn Feb 2014 #110
Yes, it's an anti-intellectual way of dealing with an issue treestar Feb 2014 #111
Good point. freshwest Apr 2014 #306
Very well put... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #115
Thank you, DanTex. Thank you. K&R Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #117
Not to mention, some cretins are so childish KitSileya Feb 2014 #126
I am ashamed we talk about nonsense while our kids go hungry... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #131
'more important things' - Rush Limbaugh-type antifeminist insults. redqueen Feb 2014 #144
I wonder what would happened if he was called a Liar for giving his testimony on DU. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #179
I'm sorry you're having a rough time. cyberswede Feb 2014 #145
It's not nonsense, and it's not about being prudish. DanTex Feb 2014 #147
Good luck to you Chris. Hang in there and things will get better. Jetboy Feb 2014 #160
Thanks. No one has sttacked me though, they just DISAGREE, and that's what's cool about being a Dem Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #178
The assumption of male privilege WhiteTara Feb 2014 #146
Sex Sells WovenGems Feb 2014 #154
Thanks Beringia Feb 2014 #156
I have to say, there IS a kind of "can't look away" quality to some of the Squinch Feb 2014 #208
Sexism is extremely deep rooted in our culture The empressof all Feb 2014 #158
Um, of course objectification is a problem, but not everyone agrees on what counts as ecstatic Feb 2014 #170
Some definitions of the term - such as those used in academia - are more concrete. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #200
Thank you, DanTex. City Lights Feb 2014 #173
Good luck stopping guys from enjoying looking at pretty girls AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #181
Yes, because that's exactly what this is about... DanTex Feb 2014 #182
That's what it boils down to AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #184
Actually, no, it isn't. Not at all. DanTex Feb 2014 #185
Not dumb, just a guy thing n/t WovenGems Feb 2014 #187
playing stupid is not a guy thing- it's a full of shit thing. bettyellen Feb 2014 #188
Post 181 reminded me of the nonsense we saw in response to that awesome Indian PSA. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #189
you'd think someone would not want to claim this amount of ignorance, but you see it more and more bettyellen Feb 2014 #194
Was this on topic? WovenGems Feb 2014 #192
you're insulting all the men I know. unless you are taking about children? bettyellen Feb 2014 #195
I'm a guy. This isn't a guy thing. It's a dumb thing. DanTex Feb 2014 #191
It's not an all-or-nothing thing. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #196
Yeah, as much anything, it's about having respect for other people's comfort levels. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #224
Funny, I "enjoy looking at pretty girls" just as much as any heterosexual man, and yet nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #203
Exactly. I have nothing to add. Great post. DanTex Feb 2014 #217
Well, 10 years ago (when I was 19) I probably would've had a similar knee-jerk reaction nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #218
Very well stated AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #222
Oh boy! One more thing we should be ashamed of! whistler162 Feb 2014 #193
lol. Exactly. Maybe this will start a trend quinnox Feb 2014 #207
pffffft... We have a whole group of MRA's dedicated to proving men are the second class citizens Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #197
It's a pattern upaloopa Feb 2014 #201
false equivalence is the first refuge of cowards noiretextatique Feb 2014 #202
I'm offended too! kiawah Feb 2014 #204
Simple explanation: DU is overrun with RW trolls. They think that if they play kestrel91316 Feb 2014 #205
^^^Fairly inescapable, as conclusions go... Squinch Feb 2014 #209
Anyone who disagrees with me pintobean Feb 2014 #212
And anyone who doesn't flip out about some T&A is a misogynist. Check. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #221
What absolutely amazed me pintobean Feb 2014 #225
Your comments are just disgusting. As usual. R B Garr Feb 2014 #226
This message was self-deleted by its author Bonobo Feb 2014 #229
That week old thread got this ball rolling. pintobean Feb 2014 #230
I could say the same thing about you R B Garr Feb 2014 #231
Yep! nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #228
The behaviors sure seem similar. The one who went digging through my five-year-old posts to try to redqueen Feb 2014 #239
Thank you Dan. thucythucy Feb 2014 #215
DU should be collectively ashamed of a lot of things. Chan790 Feb 2014 #227
Thank you, well said. nt DLevine Feb 2014 #243
A Love Fest WovenGems Feb 2014 #253
Can someone start a new Gender Wars Forum? DontTreadOnMe Feb 2014 #261
Key words: "supposedly" and "progressive." LWolf Feb 2014 #266
+ infinity redqueen Feb 2014 #274
I'm ashamed of threads like this one. gulliver Feb 2014 #278
By deligating the war on women to the Republicans plantwomyn Feb 2014 #287
why should we expect any different? Most males I know, even the very very smart ones librechik Feb 2014 #282
I won't be ashamed of people here, they have to be ashamed of themselves first. Rex Feb 2014 #297
How would feminists prefer that men masturbate? My Good Babushka Mar 2014 #304
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