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In reply to the discussion: Why I don't like the term "white privilege" [View all]Number23
(24,544 posts)136. You noticed the OP suddenly has nothing to say, huh?
This is what infuriates me about the "it's not race, it's class" crew. In addition to being astoundingly ignorant about the country's past and present, there is so much preoccupation with the Beyonces and Serena Williamses (see upthread). Because 2 or 20 or 100 black people are dazzlingly rich, racial discrimination doesn't exist or it's "not that big of a deal."
But show them some data that shows their "it's not race, it's class" spew to be the utter bunk that it is, then they suddenly lose their ability to read or respond.
More FACTS:
The study, conducted by the Department of Housing and Urban Development and the Urban Institute (a nonpartisan think tank in Washington) used a method called "pair testing." Two people one person of color and one white person called and then visited a real estate office to ask about an available property for rent or sale. Both of the pair testers told real estate agents that they had about the same income, assets and employment. Both testers were greeted politely and given appointments to look at properties. But whites were told about and shown more units. They were also more likely to be offered lower rent than their testing partners.
So the white couple with the same finances as the non-white couple not only got shown more units but were offered LOWER RENTS. And here's the kicker --
According to the study, the problem wasn't regional but national. http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/06/17/192730233/for-people-of-color-a-housing-market-partially-hidden-from-view
IF that is not WHITE PRIVILEGE then for God's sake, WHAT IS???
And this happened nationally. Not regional -- NATIONAL. Institutionalized. SYSTEMIC. Happens EVERYWHERE, not just in the South or the mid-West or wherever people have convinced themselves that The Racists live. It happens Everywhere in America.
A little-noticed study released last fall by the Pataki administration concluded that black and Hispanic people sentenced for minor felonies or misdemeanors in New York were treated more harshly than whites in similar circumstances. http://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/10/nyregion/a-racial-study-finds-differences-in-jail-sentences.html
Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002
Tougher sentences for THE SAME CRIMES. The only difference is the race of the perpetrators.
Researchers say they their new study suggests a reason why African Americans are overrepresented in prison. Black defendants are more likely to be sentenced to prison than whites, on average, but the racial gap is even more pronounced among some judges, suggesting that race is influencing the decision, the study found. http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/race_matters_in_sentencing_study_finds/
This is NOT about class!!!! This is about RACE. And until that changes, discussions about white privilege are apt, are relevant and need to be had.
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i would say it's more due to numbers of drunk driving related traffic accidents in the area
JI7
Feb 2014
#12
bad analogy , if a chinese person was in an area they were testing for drunk drivers
JI7
Feb 2014
#22
This would be Chinese priviledge: A police officer witnesses driving that is consistent with
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#19
dlc has nothing to do with white privilege, the history of this country goes back hudreds of years
JI7
Feb 2014
#96
The NBA situation wouldn't necessarily be considered tall privilege because height is a factor in
okaawhatever
Feb 2014
#27
I think that was their point, that that sort of racism was shocking and not ok.
uppityperson
Feb 2014
#74
What proportion of the US ruling class originally made their family fortunes directly or indirectly
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#104
You know the really sad truth is that there are lots of decent human beings in many of the
malaise
Feb 2014
#49
Thank you for sharing your experience and family history with us. It's very moving.
myrna minx
Feb 2014
#52
exactly, WHY do certain groups tendto have more than others, it ignores this question
JI7
Feb 2014
#23
your arguments are pretty much "how can there be global warming, it's cold and snowing"
JI7
Feb 2014
#26
You say that your family made its vast fortune in the gem trade in Africa. Out of curiosity,
Tanuki
Feb 2014
#34
Very fair question for 'something of a Marxist' wealthy from trading stones in Africa
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2014
#48
would a marxist excuse racism and use "they have more money" as justification for discrimination ?
JI7
Feb 2014
#98
you have excused it and made lame comparisons to tall basketball players, chinese who don't drink
JI7
Feb 2014
#102
*the term* "white privilege" doesn't destroy class consciousness, but *white privilege* does
fishwax
Feb 2014
#40
Of course it mattered. African Americans were systematically excluded from much of labor's gains
fishwax
Feb 2014
#135
Just because you do not like the term does not mean it does not exist.
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#44
Dishonest title, it is not that you dislike the term, it is that you deny the thing exists.
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2014
#53
White privilege is actually a very accurate description of the situation it describes.
Squinch
Feb 2014
#54
I actually have LESS privilege than whites as a well off black man. I STILL have to answer to the...
uponit7771
Feb 2014
#185
Here's the best personal example I can think of to sum up "white privilege".
Spider Jerusalem
Feb 2014
#59
"White privilege" is not a "sneaky" term. It quite openly states what it is saying.
Squinch
Feb 2014
#77
"Labor in the white skin can never free itself as long as labor in the black skin is branded.”
Starry Messenger
Feb 2014
#191
LOL- the circular reasoning bit in order to deny reality. you have out the cart - "material
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#94
"Barack Obama, for example, did not come from the same social class as "traditional" African America
Number23
Feb 2014
#92
In the history of America when talking about white privilege, it's race not class.
bravenak
Feb 2014
#103
yes, like koch brothers, but they get support from whites including many who aren't wealthy
JI7
Feb 2014
#108
They do, from some, but poorer people are more liable to 1) vote less and 2) vote democratic than
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#112
the top would then include middle class people who often vote for 1 percent over 99
JI7
Feb 2014
#114
Yes. that's my point. The political base for racist dogwhistles is not "white trash," it's the
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#117
And poor whites that support them and vote in those candidates to office who will do things
bravenak
Feb 2014
#111
they appeal to their racism , this is why it was after civil rights that many turned against social
JI7
Feb 2014
#138
I'm just going to laugh, and move on. Me too. I find myself doing that more and more these days
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#124
Short answer: because she has far more money than she could ever possibly need...
shaayecanaan
Feb 2014
#130
you do realize upper income blacks are regularly stopped by police and seen as suspicious at stores
JI7
Feb 2014
#125
lol You're "not sure" why I posted a response saying I "wasn't sure" why you posted this nonsensical
Number23
Feb 2014
#106
THIS!!! And thank you. I cannot believe this got 27 recs. Sounds like Limbaugh or O Keefe Lite.
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#141
it is, i wonder if people actually read it , i guess people just saw him claim to be a marxist
JI7
Feb 2014
#143
I think it'ss knee jerk agreement with a dislike of the term- they'd be embarrassed if they read on
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#151
people have posted actual facts and numbers that there is racism and you want to deny it
JI7
Feb 2014
#147
That post has nothing to do with mine. And certainly nothing to do with your naive
Number23
Feb 2014
#153
a very interesting perspective. But I do think the African-American experience is somewhat different
Douglas Carpenter
Feb 2014
#126
The OP's last paragraph doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Obama didn't grow up with his father
catbyte
Feb 2014
#177
Thank you, JAG. My mom lived through Jim Crow laws in northern Michigan when she was
catbyte
Feb 2014
#183
I'd be interested to hear you expand on the "very different reasons" whites and blacks are poor. nt
Romulox
Feb 2014
#200
I think there is a possible difference here between the USA and other countries
LeftishBrit
Feb 2014
#198