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In the discussion thread: Yes, acknowledging privilege is hard work. [View all]

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Thu Feb 27, 2014, 06:41 PM

Laelth (32,013 posts)

2. Hear, hear!

This is the precise problem I have with a few women who absolutely refuse to acknowledge the privileges women enjoy in this society.

Well said.

-Laelth

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114 replies	Author	Time	Post
Yes, acknowledging privilege is hard work. [View all]	La Lioness Priyanka	Feb 2014	OP
Hear, hear!	KamaAina	Feb 2014	#1
Hear, hear!	Laelth	Feb 2014	#2
A good example is Trayvon Martin	Cali_Democrat	Feb 2014	#3
yup. to understand how that was racism, is to also aknowledge	La Lioness Priyanka	Feb 2014	#9
But not the privilege of avoiding being raped n/t	eridani	Feb 2014	#42
Yup	Cali_Democrat	Feb 2014	#56
yeah, he might have just been raped instead.	El_Johns	Feb 2014	#45
"...I don't get harassed for being queer. However, my wife does."	Iggo	Feb 2014	#4
Your voice is one if the many voices quickly combining into a roar that won't be silenced	JJChambers	Feb 2014	#5
Even harder is working to correct those giving privilege	seveneyes	Feb 2014	#6
not really. we can all admit that racism is bad.	La Lioness Priyanka	Feb 2014	#8
Both Racism and giving priviledge are bad	seveneyes	Feb 2014	#10
How about just eliminating disadvantage?	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#28
Bravo! nt	MrScorpio	Feb 2014	#7
AWESOME OP. The new BS meme is only young snotty white folks call it "white privilege" . LOL.	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#11
Which does, unfortunately, have quite a bit of truth to it.	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#15
It's a term coined by academics to describe a phenomenon..... and many many people who discuss race	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#18
"Yet you both spout off as if you know better." And you do? nt	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#21
You definitely do not know better than the African American activist community or a diverse group of	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#23
I'm afraid if anyone's been trying to "control" anything here, bettyellen, it's yourself.	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#25
You are the one hoping people reshape their conversations more to your liking.	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#27
"I will not speculate why you think your discomfort should be issue #1 for anyone else but you."	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#29
Um, no- people already DO use the word, and I think that is just fine. See how that works?	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#30
You may think it's fine.....	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#32
"some progressives even" say it ain't so Joe- you've left your bubble and talked to a few? WOW.	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#36
Nice try. But no dice.	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#39
Who is this "we" Joe? Because I don't see anyone interested in your permission or input, LOL.	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#43
Never asked to grant "permission". You're just tugging at straws now, Betty.	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#46
Of course, and we never find "young snotty white folks" in academia, do we? n/t	lumberjack_jeff	Feb 2014	#49
sound like classic RW anti-intellectual bias, LOL....	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#51
You're bringing your own strawman to life.	lumberjack_jeff	Feb 2014	#53
It's someone else's strawman- and "even a few progressives" like it, LOL.	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#54
"I can't help it if you actually took the bait!" An admission of trolling, perhaps? ;-)	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#72
I mocked the idea- but you guys took it up as if it was worthwhile, LOL.	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#73
Yep, it was a troll.....just like 99% of the other stuff you've posted lately. nt	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#76
I became most aware of my privilege living in a majority black city	BainsBane	Feb 2014	#12
In what way is "being aware of your privilege" materially different from acknowledging racism?	lumberjack_jeff	Feb 2014	#13
It isn't about blame.	LiberalAndProud	Feb 2014	#17
I understand what you're saying, but why do we need to call it "privilege"?	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#31
Honestly, I can't think of a better word.	LiberalAndProud	Feb 2014	#37
This is conversation	stevil	Feb 2014	#80
Great post. And I'm sorry your family has had to go through this.	nomorenomore08	Feb 2014	#92
No offense, but maybe the question itself is "unsatisfactory" -	nomorenomore08	Feb 2014	#91
I would separate the two issues	Capt. Obvious	Feb 2014	#19
"magic words" WOW- who the heck would want to have a conversation with someone so contemptuous?	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#20
"with someone so contemptuous?....And so controlling." Really?	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#24
"Contemptous and controlling"?	lumberjack_jeff	Feb 2014	#41
When you don't actually understand a concept(see"guilt") it's time to stop trying to educate others.	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#47
So you want to quibble over his word choices	Waiting For Everyman	Feb 2014	#100
Quibble over his hostile words. Nope. They are what they are. Telling.	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#105
Good point.	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#26
Frankly, I think that racial privilege isn't necessarily a bad framework to visualize the problem.	lumberjack_jeff	Feb 2014	#44
Acknowledging racism is acknowledging the harm done to others.	jeff47	Feb 2014	#55
"Acknowledging racism is acknowledging the harm done to others." That much is true.	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#60
It's a distinction without a difference.	lumberjack_jeff	Feb 2014	#61
Then why are you so desperate to bury discussions about privilege?	jeff47	Feb 2014	#113
Well said, thanks. nt	Zorra	Feb 2014	#14
I hope this thread gets more recs than the other one	Capt. Obvious	Feb 2014	#16
K&R - thank you.	myrna minx	Feb 2014	#22
It's so weird that DU seems to have	Texasgal	Feb 2014	#33
Weird?	Capt. Obvious	Feb 2014	#35
well apprently some are discussing this with conservative folk - and asking them what words make	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#38
Not just "conservative folk", Betty. The public in general.	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#40
"a lot of people have had issues with the term, including some progressives even" Mmmm, okaaay.	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#52
I'm afraid you've only outted yourself, Betty.	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#59
I am out and proud as far as disliking narrow minded conservative doublespeak. Those that engage in	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#65
"And that opinion is out of mainstream progressive thought" I'm afraid not.	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#68
Gosh, you need to get out more. Maybe go back to school? 3 years at DU, LOL....	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#74
Are you honestly kidding me? nt	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#75
Not at all- if you heard of it/ believed in it 5 years ago, and have not heard much since...	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#77
Well, you said it as if you believed it was for certain....not that it was possible.	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#81
I was aware of politics and social issues pretty young I suppose. And though my family and church	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#83
I think most everyone tends to exaggerate their own problems and downplay others'.	nomorenomore08	Feb 2014	#94
It's acknowledging that one receives a benefit from other's racism.	jeff47	Feb 2014	#57
Some white people of all ideological stripes resent talking about race.	geek tragedy	Feb 2014	#107
"To understand oppression, one needs to understand the opposite of oppression (privilege)."	Zenlitened	Feb 2014	#34
how is privilege the opposite of oppression"	El_Johns	Feb 2014	#48
"to insist that the discussions be..." is how people here derail. They derail, then blame the word.	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#50
"it's us controlling the discussion?" It most certainly is!	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#62
How would you frame the discussion?	LiberalAndProud	Feb 2014	#63
One way I'd do it is just by being straightforward.	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#64
Oooh, pithy. Replace one word with a woefully incomlete laundry list. Yeah, maybe not.	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#66
Well.....I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree then. nt	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#67
Ridiculous comment. If you're trying to get people to understand what you mean, the pithy	El_Johns	Feb 2014	#78
it makes no sense at all not to use a phrase only because it needs a super long explaination-	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#79
Without an understanding of the very complex and varied set of conditions, what use is it? As	El_Johns	Feb 2014	#82
You have a completely useful term for something- that aptly describes a complicated concept-	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#84
Social scientists are not the population you claim to want to educate and enlighten.	El_Johns	Feb 2014	#85
It is a pretty familair term, and you are allowed to explain it when needed!	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#86
I don't have a hard time with it at all. I just think it's useless as the educational tool	El_Johns	Feb 2014	#87
I think the word is a necesary part of any deep conversation about race and gender issues.	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#89
I think it promotes superficial conversations about race and also misunderstanding about race.	El_Johns	Feb 2014	#95
that's pretty funny. yeah it's racist to acknowledge the many facets of racism. Okay Bye!!	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#97
But it doesn't acknowledge the many facets of racism. That's why it leads to superficial	El_Johns	Feb 2014	#98
Discrimination is one word. nt	Waiting For Everyman	Feb 2014	#88
that is not at all interchangable, try again?	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#90
True, "discrimination" is more accurate.	Waiting For Everyman	Feb 2014	#93
it describes a different thing- and is a smaller, more quantifiable part of explaining privilege.	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#96
Your statement to El_Johns is simply not true.	Waiting For Everyman	Feb 2014	#99
So... You're rubber, too bad so sad and those who seek to stop some words here	bettyellen	Feb 2014	#104
Man of goodwill. That's you.	LiberalAndProud	Feb 2014	#69
Thanks, I do try. nt =)	AverageJoe90	Feb 2014	#70
k&r	Starry Messenger	Feb 2014	#58
K&R	Solly Mack	Feb 2014	#71
groups are not really oppressed	hfojvt	Feb 2014	#101
they are still oppressed by their race in a way that a similarly place white person is not. nt	La Lioness Priyanka	Feb 2014	#103
"a similarly placed white person"	hfojvt	Feb 2014	#109
Having 20% fewer mines to dodge really is a privilege	kwassa	Feb 2014	#108
it's not	hfojvt	Feb 2014	#110
If the white guy has to cross a minefield with 80 mines ...	kwassa	Feb 2014	#111
This is a quote by BainsBane	JustAnotherGen	Feb 2014	#102
K&R for my friend, Lionness, and for truth.	closeupready	Feb 2014	#106
I guess one would need to believe that privilege is really the opposite of oppression	Redford	Feb 2014	#112
a job is only one aspect of life.	La Lioness Priyanka	Mar 2014	#114

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