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115. It's been going on for some time.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 06:16 PM
Mar 2014


"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

-Upton Sinclair



States that build surveillance machines also build propaganda machines:

How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024560097

The government figured out sockpuppet managment but not "persona management."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023358242

The Gentleman's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4159454

Seventeen techniques for truth suppression.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4249741

Just do some Googling on astroturfing - big organizations have some sophisticated tools.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1208351

The goal of the propaganda is not to convince anyone of anything...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801


The influx of corporate propaganda-spouting personas is steady and unnatural:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3189367

DU has a history and an identity that is well-known to those of us who have been here since near its beginning. The flavor of its membership was generally steady during the early years. What is happening to it now is, quite frankly, not natural. It is particularly not natural on a liberal board, given the political climate and the general distrust across the country of our government.

The number of corporatism-celebrating personas, and the ratio of them to traditional Democrats on DU, is constantly, gradually, and unnaturally increasing. The number of expected recs for a post blatantly supporting antidemocratic, anti-Constitutional, corporate (often Bush II) policies used to be in the single digits. It is gradually increasing in a way too steady to be accidental, to the point that such posts now routinely garner 50+ recs. The influx of low-count posters coming in spouting the corporate line is constant and unrealistic.

And this marked change in the quality of the participation on the board is not unique to DU. This is happening all over the internet, on all the major political boards. The corporate forces that have taken control of our government have very deep pockets. Also keep in mind that the primary goal of any state turning to authoritarianism is to manage public opinion and public response so as to reduce the likelihood of pushback and revolt. Millions of us are being pushed into poverty, and our Constitutional protections are being stripped. Of course great attention and money will be poured into managing public opinion and creating the illusion that the people support what is being done to them.



The influx will continue
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4216987

There's an important broader story here about the growing propaganda state.

As the corporate plutocracy has taken over our government and dismantled the free press of a democratic society, they have been creating a pervasive and relentless propaganda machine to replace it. From the purchased mainstream media to the incessant political astroturfing of the internet, the propaganda machine in this country has never been more manipulative, dishonest, non-transparent, relentless, and determinedly pervasive, systematically infiltrating even discussion boards like DU.

What is being done to this country is well beyond creepy and disturbing at this point. We have been overtaken by corporatists intent on corporate fascism, and we have *already* been stripped of major foundations of our free society, including our right to privacy, our right to free speech, our right to protest, and the free press that was our most important alarm for and protection against government abuse and tyranny.


300 won't make anyone do anything. aquart Mar 2014 #1
I thought there were 40,000 protestors LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #9
You can add a couple of zeros. freedom fighter jh Mar 2014 #67
Arrested for protesting newfie11 Mar 2014 #2
Nope. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2014 #10
They weren't arrested for protesting. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #26
Ask those of us who protested to sit at a lunch counter and were arrested for it. It's what we kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #52
But this wasn't that, was it. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author newfie11 Mar 2014 #93
I believe kelliekat was agreeing with you, JoePhilly. eom BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #105
+ 1 russspeakeasy Mar 2014 #129
Really????? elzenmahn Mar 2014 #132
That's been going on for awhile. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #72
I know that seems to be what happens today newfie11 Mar 2014 #92
I wasn't alive back in the 60s ... Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #98
there's nothing new in that. U.S. arrests peaceful demonstrators since the beginning 2banon Mar 2014 #120
It wasn't really for protesting, Curmudgeoness Mar 2014 #122
what Bernardo is trying to say is... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #128
Doubtless, Obama was busy searching for his comfortable shoes MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #3
Thanks for reviving that promise Manny Plucketeer Mar 2014 #82
+1000000 Phlem Mar 2014 #112
The article says their goal was to get arrested. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #4
Yes. Do you have a point? Scuba Mar 2014 #5
That by arresting them, Obama helped JoePhilly Mar 2014 #6
If he wanted to help them, and us, he could nix the pipeline. That's why we elected him. Scuba Mar 2014 #11
They were able to protest and march as long as they wanted. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #27
Nor did he order the police to not arrest these peaceful protesters. Scuba Mar 2014 #30
Sure, because that was the most important thing for him to be doing yesterday. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #34
He should have ordered the police BBR Esq Mar 2014 #55
Has anyone who opposes this eisastrous pipeline been invited to participate in discussions sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #57
But that isn't what your OP is about. Very dishonest. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #113
The real issue is that Obama isn't saying no the the KXL pipeline. cui bono Mar 2014 #121
his point is he never fails to apologize for the establishment. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #61
Snort. So true. Scuba Mar 2014 #74
Their goal is to stop Keystone XL dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #7
except I'm not at all convinced it's the right fight. Adrahil Mar 2014 #8
It is one battle in the only fight that ultimately matters dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #14
Well, I certainly agree with your goal Adrahil Mar 2014 #19
So you think it's a good idea? dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #25
No, I don't. Adrahil Mar 2014 #29
We don't have limited political capital when it comes to protesting. obxhead Mar 2014 #54
yeah, ya do, if you expect to make a difference policy-wise. Adrahil Mar 2014 #56
But it might have been an error to focus mainly on Keystone XL over the past few years Chathamization Mar 2014 #32
I am not aware of any Keystone XL focus dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #78
Whether it should be part of a strategy and whether it should be the main focus are two different Chathamization Mar 2014 #90
I don't know... dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #100
A lot of the effective groups also seem to be local Chathamization Mar 2014 #109
This toxic material doesn't have to be transported across the heart of the US by pipe or rail. Scuba Mar 2014 #15
How much you wanna bet it happens? Adrahil Mar 2014 #20
So we should all just shut the fuck up? Scuba Mar 2014 #21
Nope, we should spend capital (political and actual) on efforts that will actually make a difference Adrahil Mar 2014 #24
Making a very strong public stand can also make a difference dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #28
Go for it if that's what floats your boat. Adrahil Mar 2014 #33
That's funny, that's what I thought of your posting against resisting Keystone XL dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #63
+1,000 Scuba Mar 2014 #35
So we should just shut the fuck up. Scootaloo Mar 2014 #65
Much of the reading I've done indicates that much of the oil Arkansas Granny Mar 2014 #18
The better, right fight would be an all out goal of cleaner energy seveneyes Mar 2014 #44
It is the pipeline across our country that is the problem. RC Mar 2014 #46
You know that tar sands oil is being transported right now, right? Adrahil Mar 2014 #59
I know that. But the pipeline will increase the amount of tar extract being transported. RC Mar 2014 #79
Read here. proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #58
Thanks. I'll look into it. NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #60
The idea is to stop tarsands mining, refining, and use. freedom fighter jh Mar 2014 #71
Don't expect answers to those questions treestar Mar 2014 #77
+infinity! Nt newfie11 Mar 2014 #13
Their goal yesterday was to get arrested to draw attention to the issue. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #37
How do you suggest we make him do it? dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #50
It's the 40 Thousand that were ignored that gets me n2doc Mar 2014 #12
Yep, 40,000 protesters in DC got no mention on the Urinal/Sentinel website today. They did .... Scuba Mar 2014 #17
Scuba, wow! Now they are defending the XL pipeline. Yes, 40,000 was the estimate. madfloridian Mar 2014 #16
There is no logical defense of keystone XL. blackspade Mar 2014 #22
I've seen all sorts of amazing things on DU lately Scootaloo Mar 2014 #68
Indeed blackspade Mar 2014 #84
Don't know but this is not the DU I'm used to newfie11 Mar 2014 #95
It's been going on for some time. woo me with science Mar 2014 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Mar 2014 #116
. Ghost Dog Mar 2014 #135
Recommend! KoKo Mar 2014 #138
Recommend! KoKo Mar 2014 #139
! Ghost Dog Mar 2014 #136
The first president to say that was FDR - I am curious to know how he treated protesters and if they jwirr Mar 2014 #23
These folks were not arrested for protesting. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #31
Okay - that no arrest no press has been in action for decades if not more. jwirr Mar 2014 #36
Which makes the OP's screaching about the President dishonest. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #38
"Screeching". For next time someone says something you don't like. Scuba Mar 2014 #40
Its not that I don't like what you said, its that what you said is false. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #43
Which part is false? That he said "make me do it"? That they were arrested? Scuba Mar 2014 #45
Since you need hand holding to understand these concepts... Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2014 #51
"President has ZERO obligation to stop them from being arrested" after he said "make me do it"? Scuba Mar 2014 #53
Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #87
Yes, please continue. Scuba Mar 2014 #88
LOL!! JoePhilly Mar 2014 #64
Thank you. treestar Mar 2014 #75
FDR and Truman both said slogan like things treestar Mar 2014 #80
I never did understand that phrase. This may not be the best analogy, but truth2power Mar 2014 #39
+1 Marr Mar 2014 #70
+2 840high Mar 2014 #123
It appears you didn't even READ your own link. It is NOT what you claim. Whisp Mar 2014 #41
I read the link. Did you read the thread? Scuba Mar 2014 #42
Yes, and in the thread, you are taken to task for misrepresenting the gravamen of the arrests. msanthrope Mar 2014 #49
Do you suppose that's what he said to his big donors as well? n/t factsarenotfair Mar 2014 #47
HAH!They say subsidize/deregulate/bail us out;O says how much. Divernan Mar 2014 #69
His small donors were more numerous and from them he collected more money treestar Mar 2014 #81
I was a small donor myself but not in the "face time" category. factsarenotfair Mar 2014 #85
The elected politician cannot just do the bidding of the large donors. treestar Mar 2014 #102
Yes. And they replied, "We already did." WinkyDink Mar 2014 #83
"Hey! Obama! We don't want no pipeline drama!' was the protest cry. Divernan Mar 2014 #48
There would be no protests and no arrests JEB Mar 2014 #66
yeah, and shame on him. That's how it works. librechik Mar 2014 #73
that was the core of the Civi Rights movement grasswire Mar 2014 #89
The make me do it line is dumb treestar Mar 2014 #76
Do you think he has the power to expose the truth? factsarenotfair Mar 2014 #86
As long as there is a First Amendment treestar Mar 2014 #101
Sorry--I didn't mean to silence but to expose the misinformation, which is all they have. factsarenotfair Mar 2014 #103
Obviously, they were trying to steal his "comfortable walking shoes". Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #91
+1 jsr Mar 2014 #96
"Make me do it" was a taunt mixed with a bit of entrapment FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #94
Many problems with the line "make me do it" NCTraveler Mar 2014 #97
In my feeble mind, it's one of the worst things a President could say. Scuba Mar 2014 #99
Here's an honest OP on the arrest of the protesters. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #104
What's dishonest about Scuba's OP? polichick Mar 2014 #106
"Make me do it" was always ridiculous. Voters need to demand that elected officials serve them... polichick Mar 2014 #107
In one day, the US arrested almost half as many protesters as Venezuela has in over three Zorra Mar 2014 #108
more like Maduro is an incompetent, bungling commie leftist dictator. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #114
But apparently, far more unwilling to jail his own people for protesting than Obama is. Zorra Mar 2014 #118
It wasn't a challenge or a suggestion that he would listen. bvar22 Mar 2014 #110
Did he also make you post dishonest OP's? great white snark Mar 2014 #111
To the Greatest Page. woo me with science Mar 2014 #117
Soes President Obama understand that a lot of thoes protestors are Democrats who could be out JDPriestly Mar 2014 #119
''I never did get that "make me do it" line.'' DeSwiss Mar 2014 #124
Chess Move™ eom TransitJohn Mar 2014 #125
People seem really upset that they have to work for and fight for things rather bluegreen Mar 2014 #126
Nearly 1,000 arrested at Moral Monday protests. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #130
Who's "we," and how do we know?!?! blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #127
Exactly daybranch Mar 2014 #131
be careful Skittles Mar 2014 #133
This message was self-deleted by its author MindMover Mar 2014 #134
Suggest you ignore the trolling remark. Your post is heartfelt and accurate. Thanks. Scuba Mar 2014 #137
and I suggest you get your facts straight before posting inflammatory crap ... MindMover Mar 2014 #140
kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #141
kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #142
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