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Ghost in the Machine

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Sun Mar 9, 2014, 05:50 PM

Mar 2014

I always thought that "Live and let Live" was one of the founding principles of being a Liberal. Let people live their lives as they see fit, as long as they aren't hurting anyone else in the process, and keep the Government out of our *personal* lives so they could stay focused on keeping the corporations in check, making sure they weren't mistreating their workers, were paying a fair wage for labor/services provided, providing safe workplaces, providing proper breaks per hours worked, making sure our air, waterways and groundwater weren't being polluted intentionally or unintentionally.. and many other things to protect our freedoms and rights to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness".

We wanted the Government out of our bedrooms, out of our homes and taking care of the Country first and foremost! What's they difference between a woman saying "my body, my choice" in regards to abortion and *me* saying the same thing about hitting a joint, or hitting a nicotine-free E-Cigarette?? The Federal Government has more, and bigger, things to worry about right now. Things like creating jobs, fixing our infrastructure, helping the homeless, needy and poor fixing Health CARE, not friggin, Health Insurance Companies! I could keep going, but I think you get the gist of what I'm saying...

Peace,

Ghost

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The E-cig poll thread [View all] Kurska Mar 2014 OP

How about ... surrealAmerican Mar 2014 #1

As of current, I know of no one who sells e-cigs to under 18's anyway. Kurska Mar 2014 #2

"nuisances of opinion" Voice for Peace Mar 2014 #3

Lol nice catch Kurska Mar 2014 #4

Apparently some people are selling to kids somewhere Warpy Mar 2014 #7

So they say. Mariana Mar 2014 #9

Exactly. Regulations can slow it down but not stop it Warpy Mar 2014 #18

they still look like toys to me. yurbud Mar 2014 #80

E-cigs should be regulated to ensure product safety only bigwillq Mar 2014 #5

Product safety and advertising. Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #6

Should they be permitted to advertise zero-nicotine e-cigs? Mariana Mar 2014 #8

I have mixed feelings on that. Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #26

no they should not. Sunlei Mar 2014 #56

How hard is it to convert a zero-nicotine e-cig into a nicotine-containing one? jmowreader Mar 2014 #79

I'm in between the first two. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #10

I'm against flavored e-cigs... penultimate Mar 2014 #11

add "not sold to those under 18" .... etherealtruth Mar 2014 #12

You beat me to it LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #15

I'm 53, I dont smoke and I have an e-cig that I use for my migraines McCamy Taylor Mar 2014 #21

You are right for the non-nicotine etherealtruth Mar 2014 #22

Why does a lack of nicotine make them safe? CreekDog Mar 2014 #53

I agree with you. I don't see any reason to have kids inhale 'scents' or 'flavors' other than they Sunlei Mar 2014 #67

agree 100% CreekDog Mar 2014 #75

I can't imagine why energumen Mar 2014 #77

For product safety and age restriction Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #13

I enjoy smoking as well, as bad as that sounds bigwillq Mar 2014 #14

Why is enjoyable about smoking? I understand the addiction. But cannot understand how..... Logical Mar 2014 #28

I find the process of smoking enjoyable and relaxing bigwillq Mar 2014 #30

Hmmm.... one of those things I guess I will never understand. Like people snorting coke, etc. n-t Logical Mar 2014 #31

Cool. I won't bore you with another story then...... bigwillq Mar 2014 #32

I appreciate your story though. Thanks!! nt Logical Mar 2014 #44

Same with me. I think it's the whole ritual and the anticipation as much as LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #63

It's an acquired taste Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #42

That's a little difficult to answer. sibelian Mar 2014 #61

Since people have been smoking Mariana Mar 2014 #64

I second the product safety and age restriction meow2u3 Mar 2014 #16

Since I'm not sure what "sin" means, except contextually, I can't vote in this poll... CTyankee Mar 2014 #17

Vaping is not a sin meow2u3 Mar 2014 #19

OK, I am really talking about the science attached to this... CTyankee Mar 2014 #23

I hate the sin tax on cigs in CT bigwillq Mar 2014 #20

I don't understand a tobacco tax when you have no health system Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #43

Not sure about soda but isn't fast food taxed? CTyankee Mar 2014 #50

They are taxed bigwillq Mar 2014 #57

Healthy food should be taxed MORE than bad food? Can you clarify that? CTyankee Mar 2014 #58

Fast food should be taxed more than healthy food (nt) bigwillq Mar 2014 #59

that's what I thought... CTyankee Mar 2014 #60

This time change messes with me bigwillq Mar 2014 #62

I probably misread...I don't think I could really claim the time change cuz I've been this way for CTyankee Mar 2014 #73

Me too, but I got a really good e-cig for Christmas and haven't smoked since. rucky Mar 2014 #27

They sound tempting Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #40

What do you want to regulate? krawhitham Mar 2014 #24

I think some folks just want to control others and their choices The Straight Story Mar 2014 #25

It's counter to libertarianism gollygee Mar 2014 #34

not opposed to regulation but choice limitation in things The Straight Story Mar 2014 #37

The government regulates cigarettes because they don't want children to use them gollygee Mar 2014 #38

You can't tell if someone around you is using one Mariana Mar 2014 #69

The control are the major tobacco firm's stranglehold on those who smoke. TheBlackAdder Mar 2014 #39

+1,000,000,000!!! Ghost in the Machine Mar 2014 #74

Most of the voters here want to regulate product safety, Curmudgeoness Mar 2014 #35

Question remains, what do you want to regulate? What do you believe is currently unsafe? krawhitham Mar 2014 #47

It really is simple. Curmudgeoness Mar 2014 #49

I want to regulate the nicotine Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #41

safety only. make sure the product doesn't have fungus/bacteria in the liquids, small parts that Sunlei Mar 2014 #51

It's not about the flavor it is about the nicotine. Tikki Mar 2014 #29

If you use an E-Cig... Just admit the nicotine dependence and oral fixation needs. nt TheBlackAdder Mar 2014 #33

I'll admit it and I'm not a damn bit ashamed of it. phleshdef Mar 2014 #45

I admit it - although I use zero nicotine fluid now. Mariana Mar 2014 #65

Why would anyone want to ban vaping in public places? Curmudgeoness Mar 2014 #36

Some folks have problems with mouths; the things going in them... Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #46

Why should people be allowed to use a tobacco product in a way that doesn't smell or bother anybody Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #48

It seems that those who are opposed to public vaping Curmudgeoness Mar 2014 #72

design one that looks like an "asthma inhaler" could solve the in public problem. Sunlei Mar 2014 #52

I'll give you one better Revanchist Mar 2014 #54

That's pretty noticeable too :) who wants to carry a coke can around. Sunlei Mar 2014 #55

People already do that. Mariana Mar 2014 #66

I have thought the same thing, but not an asthma inhaler Curmudgeoness Mar 2014 #68

Most of the kits come with batteries that have LED's on them. Mariana Mar 2014 #70

If people stop smoking cigarettes and instead smoke ecigs, isn't that am improvement? ... spin Mar 2014 #78

Sure - let's get the government to regulate them like they do ohheckyeah Mar 2014 #71

I say reglulate for product safety. Mojo Electro Mar 2014 #76

How about this: jmowreader Mar 2014 #81

A very thoughtful post Kurska Mar 2014 #82

I can only think of one thing I missed jmowreader Mar 2014 #83

Where I buy mine locally here in Tucson, AZ Michigan-Arizona Mar 2014 #84

I will follow what local authorities decide to do in the matter nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #85

Almost 4 years without a cigarette thanks to Vaping Vidi Mar 2014 #86