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Fortinbras Armstrong

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23. The former governor of Illinois, George Ryan put a moratorium on the death penalty
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 02:52 PM
Mar 2014

In Illinois in 1999, after 14 men on death row were found to be innocent. He said, "I still believe the death penalty is a proper response to heinous crimes... But I believe that it has to be where we don't put innocent people to death."

Pope John Paul II, in his encyclical Evangelium Vitae -- "The Gospel of Life". After a discussion of self defense, he says

This is the context in which to place the problem of the death penalty. On this matter there is a growing tendency, both in the Church and in civil society, to demand that it be applied in a very limited way or even that it be abolished completely. The problem must be viewed in the context of a system of penal justice ever more in line with human dignity and thus, in the end, with God's plan for man and society. The primary purpose of the punishment which society inflicts is "to redress the disorder caused by the offence." Public authority must redress the violation of personal and social rights by imposing on the offender an adequate punishment for the crime, as a condition for the offender to regain the exercise of his or her freedom. In this way authority also fulfills the purpose of defending public order and ensuring people's safety, while at the same time offering the offender an incentive and help to change his or her behaviour and be rehabilitated.

It is clear that, for these purposes to be achieved, the nature and extent of the punishment must be carefully evaluated and decided upon, and ought not go to the extreme of executing the offender except in cases of absolute necessity: in other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society. Today however, as a result of steady improvements in the organization of the penal system, such cases are very rare, if not practically non-existent.

In any event, the principle set forth in the new Catechism of the Catholic Church remains valid: 'If bloodless means are sufficient to defend human lives against an aggressor and to protect public order and the safety of persons, public authority must limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.'


To sum this up, capital punishment is not intrinsically immoral, but there are essentially no situations in which it is morally acceptable.
I hope to see a day when the Supreme Court rules it unconstitutional closeupready Mar 2014 #1
Barring some unfortunate event, I believe you will. morningfog Mar 2014 #3
What makes you say that? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #5
Recent precedent. morningfog Mar 2014 #6
True, but the Stevens courts nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #8
Not answering for him, but what I know is even retired judge O'Connor closeupready Mar 2014 #7
Another retired justice nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #9
But the powers that be are refusing Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #26
Not likely anytime soon Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #24
Just announced today: freebrew Mar 2014 #44
Sickening. No civilized society should allow the death penalty. Very few do. Scuba Mar 2014 #2
None do Cirque du So-What Mar 2014 #10
The only bright light in this nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #4
Texas is more of a faith-based society anyway mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #11
"And I'm sure he was guilty of SOMETHING." Yep, heard that one closeupready Mar 2014 #13
According to the PBS "Frontline" that looked at this... Archae Mar 2014 #14
That's the problem Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #28
Yep, Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #22
If we're going to kill people in Afghanistan mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #31
Recommend jsr Mar 2014 #12
I have been saying for years Wolf Frankula Mar 2014 #15
The death penalty will never ever be error free. End it. marble falls Mar 2014 #16
I will say again ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #17
I could get behind that. Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #21
... but what if it's not "misconduct"? surrealAmerican Mar 2014 #42
Incompetency can rise to a level of misconduct ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #47
Prosecutors are elected officials gollygee Mar 2014 #18
Agreed. Prosecutors have too much power Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #20
They'll kill to stay in office. Iggo Mar 2014 #32
yes but I would add airplaneman Mar 2014 #36
Precisely! Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #38
It's called Texecution for good cause The Wizard Mar 2014 #19
The former governor of Illinois, George Ryan put a moratorium on the death penalty Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2014 #23
The Prosecutors should be charged with murder if they lied about the jailhouse deal. nt Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #25
Technically, in some states they can be Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #27
I remember that case and airc there was enough evidence even back then to stop that sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #29
Rick Perry said the execution didn't bother him in the slighest Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #30
Which makes this video all the more sickening... KansDem Mar 2014 #37
Here's a video posted on DU in 2011 Renew Deal Mar 2014 #33
This was covered by Frontline a few years ago Renew Deal Mar 2014 #34
In my opinion polmaven Mar 2014 #35
A good quote by John Adams... davidn3600 Mar 2014 #39
If prosecutors/judges etc can be shown to have knowingly executed an innocent man yodermon Mar 2014 #40
I just don't understand. mwooldri Mar 2014 #41
You make my point with eloquence Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #43
I'm against the death penalty, but too many in this country are not Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #45
This is the inevitable result of the death penalty. RedCappedBandit Mar 2014 #46
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