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In reply to the discussion: Snowden hate... I don't understand it... ? [View all]Proud Liberal Dem
(24,407 posts)17. I don't hate him
but I don't get all of the love and adoration he gets here. He just seems somewhat grandiose (delusional? Russia is a big supporter of human rights? WTF?) and, frankly, I'm sort of underwhelmed by his claims, some of which have described capabilities or things that might have been discussed at one point but never utilized. Still waiting until we get some confirmation about his claims that the government is watching our thoughts form. His motives and timing seem suspicious as well. I am (so far) failing to lose a lot of sleep over what he has disclosed so far. Maybe my hair should be on fire but it just isn't.
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Yeah, he broke up with his girlfriend, an unforgivable sin in the eyes of NSA apologists.
Scuba
Mar 2014
#18
There is a statute of limitation on gross violations of the American people's Constitutional
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#79
You could stop the metadata collection tomorrow and it would mean nothing to me.
randome
Mar 2014
#80
The law has 'allowed' many things throughout history. Such laws were overturned due to being
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#81
That's a very clever way to rationalize giving column inches to gossip about a non-important person
LanternWaste
Mar 2014
#82
He's criminal. We must punish him. BTW ...what ever happened with that Bush war criminal thing?
L0oniX
Mar 2014
#37
So, what do you think about the massive spying on the American people, clearly a gross
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#132
Yes, I did and I agree with you on that, but disagree about everything else you said.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#140
No, not on their own, and neither will we. However, already there is a move to create
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#145
It is all the same program. There is no real distinction between foreign and domestic, with the
RC
Mar 2014
#158
So Snowden divulging details of covert INTERNATIONAL operations and operatives . . .
brush
Mar 2014
#162
There are a lot more rank and file Democratic authoritarians than I would have guessed ten years ago
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#3
I don't think they're authoritarians. If this had happened during Smirk's reign they'd be fans
Doctor_J
Mar 2014
#31
I agree with you. I naively thought that we belonged to the party that would end the abuses of power
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#139
Probably because some are worried about how it makes Obama look, and they are loyal
The Straight Story
Mar 2014
#6
It is continued and expanded and made legal - albeit still unconstitutional - by Obama.
cui bono
Mar 2014
#66
there is simply no excuse for ANYONE criticizing the policies of a Democratic administration - EVER!
Douglas Carpenter
Mar 2014
#10
He is not a defector. He sought asylum in a country he does not want to live in because the U.S.
Luminous Animal
Mar 2014
#27
It's a viewpoint that conveniently obscures the nature of the documents Snowden took. n/t
winter is coming
Mar 2014
#39
He did not defect to Russia and he did not give Russia the documents, which is what you are implying
cui bono
Mar 2014
#68
And, sitting in judgement of someone else's hypocrisy while he's the biggest fucking
Cha
Mar 2014
#122
Pew poll: Public Split over Impact of NSA Leak, But Most Want Snowden Prosecuted
ProSense
Mar 2014
#16
Damn, Prosense. Who knew that because of your posts on DU LARGE MAJORITIES of Americans
Number23
Mar 2014
#57
Anyone who states that "Greenwald is a Libertarian" also goes on my ignore list.
Maedhros
Mar 2014
#85
AS noted through this thread, there is a small subset of DU too emotionally tied to the president
Doctor_J
Mar 2014
#29
AS noted through this thread, there is a small subset of DU too emotionally tied to Snowden
OilemFirchen
Mar 2014
#46
No. People aren't in a cult of personality when it comes to Snowden. They actually support his
cui bono
Mar 2014
#70
If a person accept a position of employment then they accept the terms of the employment.
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#35
Patriot? Oh, yea, a patriot steals security information and runs to Hong Kong and Russia.
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#72
Are you saying it is okay to steal, to be a thief? This should be a no brainer. BTW, my moral
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#110
I'm taking that option off the table. To feed youself and your starving children would you steal?
U4ikLefty
Mar 2014
#143
And just what would be wrong with asking for food for your children and yourself, to offer to work
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#147
I'm not letting you wiggle your way out of this. If you had to steal to feed your children,
U4ikLefty
Mar 2014
#148
Maybe you did not understand, so for you I will attempt again to explain. Rather than steal I would
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#155
Perhaps if you reread the post I did nit mention money, I said to ask and offer my services to
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#160
Rules of theft should never be acceptable, if he has not gotten a grip of this moral rectitude then
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#84
Edward Snowden had higher morals than the people running the NSA, so he exposed their illegal
RC
Mar 2014
#161
If Snowden has higher morals than the people running NSA then they have low morals also, it
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#163
Snowden tried to work inside the system when he found questionable and outright illegal actions.
RC
Mar 2014
#164
This has never been about Snowden telling American citizens data was being collected, we
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#165
Did you not know about the phone record data collection before Snowden "revealed" this?
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#168
You mean the lies the NSA was telling Congress about meta data not containing any personal
RC
Mar 2014
#169
No, I am talking about a news conference George W Bush had in 2005 where he said the data was being
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#170
do you feel that way about Daniel Ellsberg? Mark Felt (Deep Throat)? Frank Serpico?
mike_c
Mar 2014
#109
Did any of the ones you listed steal files from their employers and run with them to Hong Kong and
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#111
Both, stealing is wrong and after his crime he ran for the arms of Hong Kong and Russia.
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#117
yes, but I asked you whether you condemn Ellsberg, Felt, Serpico, etc for doing similar things....
mike_c
Mar 2014
#118
If they stole, then they loose any respect I could have for them, if after their crimes they fled to
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#119
The NSA's data mining program, PRISM was begun in 2007 by George W. Bush and his administration
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#47
Wait a minute here, you want ONE MAN to singlehandedly fight against the Repuke scourge,
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#49
No, but I see Repukes supporting their Repuke leaders, while Democrats sit on their rears
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#74
Then get off your keester and DO something to change that rather than whining
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#76
Obama walked INTO THEM. The system was already in PLACE. Do something to change that.
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#75
You are NOT comparing Obama to Bush, are you? Please tell me you aren't. And
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#125
Do something, rather than whine. All I've seen is whine. What do you have to show for your
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#128
Oh wow, that's really painful. Good heavens. Some people do as much if not more
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#130
True, but if hatred is going to be wielded, let it not be wielded against the wrong party nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#91
I don't agree. I think hatred is absolute rejection of something. Anger is a violent emotion. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#108
Yep! There are right wingers on DU, and they try to pass as libs, but not successfully
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#97
I think it's easier to throw others under the bus, rather than to admit...
MrMickeysMom
Mar 2014
#73
Daniel Ellsberg had his haters. There will always be those who think anything the US wants to do
jwirr
Mar 2014
#83
Some people here don't like their emperor to be stripped of his cool threads.
polichick
Mar 2014
#150
Unfortunately his cool threads don't include a "comfortable pair of shoes". n/t
cui bono
Mar 2014
#151