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In reply to the discussion: You know what cracks me up...and I mean all the way the fuck up? [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)431. You mean
Kicking your OWN thread the morning after because nobody else will?
Now THAT is deliciously and pathetically desperate.
...this one:
Snowden Inc. ("The strategy: Attention = bargaining power"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024643801
"Really, Pro.
Hiding behind Supporting the President when what you are really doing is Supporting the NSA
and persecuting Whistle Blowers is transparent....
and pathetic too. "
Unlike actual whistleblowers, Snowden fucked up. They didn't flea the country and never had to make comments denying that they turned over information to foreign governments:
Snowden Says The Government Still Has No Idea What He Gave To Reporters
Edward Snowden snuck a little jab at the government into his appearance at SXSW Interactive on Monday.
Asked if it was just a matter of time before the government could decrypt even the best encryption, the former National Security Agency contractor held up his own case as evidence that encryption works to protect data from surveillance.
"The United States government has assembled a massive investigative team" to look into him and his leak of top secret NSA documents, Snowden said. "And they still have no idea what documents were provided to the journalists, what they have, what they don't have. Because encryption works."
Snowden also suggested that encryption has kept the documents he leaked out of the hands of foreign governments, like Russia and China.
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/snowden-sxsw-documents-encryption
Edward Snowden snuck a little jab at the government into his appearance at SXSW Interactive on Monday.
Asked if it was just a matter of time before the government could decrypt even the best encryption, the former National Security Agency contractor held up his own case as evidence that encryption works to protect data from surveillance.
"The United States government has assembled a massive investigative team" to look into him and his leak of top secret NSA documents, Snowden said. "And they still have no idea what documents were provided to the journalists, what they have, what they don't have. Because encryption works."
Snowden also suggested that encryption has kept the documents he leaked out of the hands of foreign governments, like Russia and China.
<...>
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/snowden-sxsw-documents-encryption
Direct quote:
Ed: Lets put it this way - the United States government has assembled a massive investigation team into me personally, into my work with journalists and they still have no idea you know what - what documents were provided to the journalists, what they have, what they dont have. Because of encryption works. Now the only way to get around that, is to have a computer that is so massive and so powerful you can work the entire universe into the energy power into this decryption machine and they still might not be able to do it. Or you break into the computer and try to steal their keys and bypass the encryption. That happens today and that happens every day. That is the way around it.
<...>
Ed: If I could follow up on that I would say the US governments investigation supports that. We have both public and private acknowledgements that they know at this point the Russian government, the Chinese government any other government has possession of any of this information. And that would be easy for them to find out. Remember these are the guys that are spying on everyone in the world. They have got human intelligence assets embedded in these governments. They have got electronic signal assets in these governments. If suddenly the Chinese government knew everything the NSA is doing we would notice the changes. We would notice the changes, we would see official communicating and our assets will tell us hey somewhere they have a warehouse they put you know, a thousand of their most skilled researchers in there. That has never happened and it is never going to happen.
http://blog.inside.com/blog/2014/3/10/edward-snowden-sxsw-full-transcription-and-video
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Ed: If I could follow up on that I would say the US governments investigation supports that. We have both public and private acknowledgements that they know at this point the Russian government, the Chinese government any other government has possession of any of this information. And that would be easy for them to find out. Remember these are the guys that are spying on everyone in the world. They have got human intelligence assets embedded in these governments. They have got electronic signal assets in these governments. If suddenly the Chinese government knew everything the NSA is doing we would notice the changes. We would notice the changes, we would see official communicating and our assets will tell us hey somewhere they have a warehouse they put you know, a thousand of their most skilled researchers in there. That has never happened and it is never going to happen.
http://blog.inside.com/blog/2014/3/10/edward-snowden-sxsw-full-transcription-and-video
Snowden: The U.S. Government has no idea what I gave to journalists in Russia and China, but encryption has kept the leaked documents out of the hands of foreign governments, like Russia and China, whose media are state-owned.
Genius!
Unlike actual whistleblowers, Snowden put himself in the position of having to plea bargain based on his actions that were outside the scope of simply leaking information about domestic surveillance.
From the beginning, it was clear that Snowden broke the law (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023439290). There was a point where even Snowden supporters accepted that he knew he broke the law. Snowden said it himself.
Fleeing the country and releasing state secrets did not help his case.
His actions since then have only made the situation worse.
Whistleblowers have been making that point, some in subtle ways.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023236549
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023035550
Of course, this is dimissed because they're also critical of the NSA. It's as if some think that you can't be against NSA overreach (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023002358) unless you support Snowden. People can acknowledge that the NSA needs reform, and can see where Snowden went off the rails (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024202440)
What Mr. Snowden did is treason, was high crimes, and there is nothing in what we say that justifies what he did, said Richard Clarke, a former White House counter-terrorism advisor and current ABC News contributor. Whether or not this panel would have been created anyway, I dont know, but I dont think anything that Ive learned justifies the treasonous acts of Mr. Snowden.
What's that line thrown out whenever Greenwald is criticized: Were you against Clarke when he went after Bush? Were you for Scooter Libby when he leaked Plame's identity?
Snowden is desperate.
Snowden Inc. ("The strategy: Attention = bargaining power"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024640825#post188
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Another of your great Gossip Columns-- but without the nasally intonation of Hedda Hopper
LanternWaste
Mar 2014
#11
I don't mean to step on your comment, but that's a picture of Louella Parsons, Hopper's rival.
QuestForSense
Mar 2014
#150
This kind of OP agitation is expected when another one of Snowass lies is exposed.
Whisp
Mar 2014
#66
To call someone what you did in response to what documentation you have to call "liar" is ad hominem
MrMickeysMom
Mar 2014
#270
I dont give a good damn if he is a liar or GG is a liar. The door has been opened to reveal we have
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#353
And yet, he and Greenwald, btw please refrain from using that homphobic attack on Greenwald,
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#438
Eddie knows he broke that lamp in 1994, runnin in the hall like he always did and he tried to blame
TheKentuckian
Mar 2014
#291
Right, because this thing existed at the time called "Warrantless wiretapping". It doesnt exist now.
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#391
You sure do spend a lot of time trying to discredit a guy when it's not even about the guy.
Vashta Nerada
Mar 2014
#172
So It IS All About Obama... Thank You... In Poker... That's Known As A "Tell"...
WillyT
Mar 2014
#220
You're missing something. Are you going to tell us what Snowden lied about?
DisgustipatedinCA
Mar 2014
#342
Your obsession smacks of desperation. You cant be open-minded when the President is involved.
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#249
Lol! Still trying eh? I wonder if your just lines of code somewhere..100k plus entries...
Katashi_itto
Mar 2014
#299
some people are insensitive and forget there are posters here that voted for bush..
frylock
Mar 2014
#21
Really? I have crossed paths with some that I bet would vote for him a third time.
A Simple Game
Mar 2014
#100
He made an EXCELLENT point and you just drove it home like Old John Henry, the steel drivin' man.
Hassin Bin Sober
Mar 2014
#75
I missed that post, but I would have advocated to abolish the NSA, not appoint a new head
2banon
Mar 2014
#63
Well, we already have the Defense Department to deal with National Security threats
2banon
Mar 2014
#462
Do any of those departments have the expertise & architecture for cyber warfare?
Whisp
Mar 2014
#463
Yep. It's entirely possible to support NSA reform and still think what Snowden did was illegal and
Number23
Mar 2014
#153
I think it's actually much worse. When you've got half-literate OPs sitting at the top of the
Number23
Mar 2014
#452
I'm not so sure. Many of these DLC/Third Way types cheered Bush and his warmongering, etc.
Zorra
Mar 2014
#16
You might want to take what jurors said into consideration, even if not hidden
uppityperson
Mar 2014
#17
4/6 jurors thought it was at minimum rude, makes DU suck. I thought you might care.
uppityperson
Mar 2014
#74
Wrong. Jurors handle potential violations of Community Standards. 125 juries & you've been Admin?
uppityperson
Mar 2014
#367
"You hide if its a violation of TOS ...and for no other reason." 125 juries and you've been doing it
uppityperson
Mar 2014
#370
No one has to wonder about that. When Bush/Cheney were caught spying on the American people,
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#25
Without even knowing it you listed the most important problem with what the NSA is capable of doing.
A Simple Game
Mar 2014
#122
"Since I honestly, deep down, do not even give the slightest shit about what the NSA or CIA does"
L0oniX
Mar 2014
#371
"Since I honestly, deep down, do not even give the slightest shit about what the NSA or CIA does...
sibelian
Mar 2014
#456
Both can be true. NSA revelation is a good thing. Snowden's resume and timing deserve scrutiny.
blm
Mar 2014
#35
then again, some of us are smart enough to know that the president really doesnt run the nsa.
mopinko
Mar 2014
#37
Wah...and how much Ed love comes from those who like to see Obama damaged
BeyondGeography
Mar 2014
#39
I guess the difference is that some people support anyone who reveals the wickedness of any
hughee99
Mar 2014
#92
Why should I care about that if the facts are with me? The OP is clearly wrong here.
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#377
Just as I expected. Outside of the argumentum ad populum logical fallacy, you have nothing. nt
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#386
And you go from one logical fallacy to another. Address the facts in my post or give up and admit
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#389
Now if only people here would take the time to read and look for the facts....Thanks.
lumpy
Mar 2014
#244
It's apparently much more fun to appeal to popular misconceptions and get Recs than educate
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#382
Not only that, the OP is apparently a hit and run. He appears unable to respond to dissent
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#383
and while decrying "fascism and tyranny" they support the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#409
It ought not hurt Obama, who walked into this existing mine field called PRISM, and is not God
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#128
Oh you're one of the ones that thinks he has absolute power. GOT IT! nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#135
He does have the power that comes with the office. NSA is part of the Defesne Dept.,
Skip Intro
Mar 2014
#137
But there are presidents with support (Reagan) and there are presidents with none
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#139
You're just wrong here, sorry. Obama is not helpless or in the dark on this.
Skip Intro
Mar 2014
#143
Perhaps. Perhaps if he hadn't been accused of being a Muslim by the GOP scourge...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#235
Obama is forced to spy on all of us because baggers called him names?
DisgustipatedinCA
Mar 2014
#348
I was trying to be nice. If you want the full measure of how ill-considered your statement was...
DisgustipatedinCA
Mar 2014
#379
I have an idea! I'll ignore you and your Republican-like attacks on Obama, and prob solved! nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#380
There are cracks in your logic. Snowden was against leakers before he was for it.
brush
Mar 2014
#132
Too many people ASSUME that when a Democrat gets in the whole government goes Blue.
Spitfire of ATJ
Mar 2014
#144
"It's not about Snowden! It's about all you folk who don't like Snowden!"
struggle4progress
Mar 2014
#195
"This administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance our security." nt
pragmatic_dem
Mar 2014
#204
You said you didnt like Snowden because he was "far right". Isnt Gen Clapper also "far right"? nm
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#258
Again, it's not my area of concern, but if Gen Clapper released silly statements every week
ecstatic
Mar 2014
#274
"I'm more concerned about justice and equality," Oh really? You are more concerned
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#350
you seem to be suggesting that if a Democratic administration does something that we would condemn
Douglas Carpenter
Mar 2014
#254
Yes, and the same people who were upset that the Bushies outed Valerie Plame...
GoCubsGo
Mar 2014
#257
Actually Valerie Plame Wilson and Joe Wilson wrote an OP for the Guardian about this whole affair
Douglas Carpenter
Mar 2014
#262
without him - we would not be addressing the issues of the massive surveillance state - however
Douglas Carpenter
Mar 2014
#337
As always, I find myself standing with Will Pitt. K and fucking R.
cherokeeprogressive
Mar 2014
#272
Apparently all Pitt really cares about is having his thread kicked. Me thinks he has ambitions
lumpy
Mar 2014
#289
I think this is the first time I've agreed with you. And the fact that such an "adolescent, juvenile
Number23
Mar 2014
#300
When the leaks were under the Bush Regime, Snowden thought leakers should be "shot in the balls"
baldguy
Mar 2014
#332
I couldn't tell what this thread was about based on the subject title. As usual.
randome
Mar 2014
#349
If you embrace popular misconceptions, you can get away with anything, apparently. nt
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#390
You continue to try to change the narrative to the point of sad humor. This isnt about hating Obama.
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#410
Snowden proved himself a liar when he went against his sworn oath to not act against his own
lumpy
Mar 2014
#425
Snowden and his supporters do, which is why before he was even charged they wanted him pardoned. n/t
ProSense
Mar 2014
#446
I don't even take that particular poster's posts on this manner seriously anymore.
Vashta Nerada
Mar 2014
#439
LOL: "I cannot in all conscience support an illegal crime against the US government"
Romulox
Mar 2014
#479
it is frightening to read so many would give up the protections in the bill of rights
questionseverything
Mar 2014
#428