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Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:49 AM

28. The media keep repeating the meme that "we lost". That is nonsense.

 

First, we don't have any significant national interest in Crimea. We just don't have a dog in that fight.

But the bigger picture is that the Ukraine was a USSR state, and has largely remained a Russian satellite since the breakup of the USSR. And Crimea in particular has been entirely under Russian control. Russia's Black Sea fleet is still based there. They never left.

So what is changing? The eastern part of the Ukraine is becoming more friendly to the west. That is the net effect of all of this. There is effectively no change in Crimea. So why is that a big loss? It is actually the other way around. If Obama can get the boundary set at the mainland, then this is a big win for the west.

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