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Fri Mar 21, 2014, 12:37 PM

42. Crimea's obviously a done deal.

Note that the new ones get very close to Putin; the US Treasury actually called him out, as follows:

They are as close to "friends" as Putin has they go back years and still play regular ice hockey games together. Given Timchenko's long-standing ties to Putin, and the extraordinary rise of Gunvor from obscurity to one of the world's leading oil trading companies, the company has long been subject to rumours of Putin's involvement as a beneficial owner.

Nobody has ever been able to prove this, however, and Gunvor has always denied it, which makes the US Treasury statement on the sanctions remarkably forthright. It reads: "Timchenko's activities in the energy sector have been directly linked to Putin. Putin has investments in Gunvor and may have access to Gunvor funds."


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/20/us-sanction-list-vladimir-putin-inner-circle

The Visa and Mastercard thing will make him pull up, since this hits large sections of the upper middle classes as well as the rich; anyone who has enough money to travel overseas and stay in hotels and had their money in that bank, which was singled out for being the closest to Putin. They've all just been hugely inconvenienced. That's something that will resonate for a long time.
Once again, someone underestimated Obama. Once again, they're not laughing anymore, anymore than the Republicans were in 2010 after the ACA got passed. People seem to take some sort of pleasure in trying to prove Obama weak; they get bewildered every time, and then have to either shut up or resort to spluttering invective, the latter being what Russia is probably doing as I write this.

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