You are once again inserting belief (Reply #114)

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Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:00 PM

114. You are once again inserting belief

Where none exists.

Belief does not require testing, or for that matter particle accelerators and higher math. You either have it or not. Science has hypothesis that are tested, and when found wanting discarded and replaced or modified.

For example, we just found evidence that Einstein's absolute speed limit...might not be absolute after all. There is no gnashing of garments, or screams of heresy, or anything like that.

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268 replies	Author	Time	Post
Does the Big Bang breakthrough offer proof of God? [View all]	IDemo	Mar 2014	OP
Bollocks.	jsr	Mar 2014	#1
Um...okay.	randome	Mar 2014	#2
It does nothing of the sort.	CFLDem	Mar 2014	#3
+1.	closeupready	Mar 2014	#54
As God, I Have To Say That This Is Actually True, But None Of You Will Be Able to Comprehend Why	Skraxx	Mar 2014	#267
oh FFS....	mike_c	Mar 2014	#4
Well, accordding to "Holy Writ"	Kelvin Mace	Mar 2014	#5
I wish he'd get on with it then.	MoonRiver	Mar 2014	#50
I REALLY	Kelvin Mace	Mar 2014	#51
Absolutely!	MoonRiver	Mar 2014	#58
While it may be true that Hoyle coined the term "Big Bang" he did so derisively.	CBGLuthier	Mar 2014	#6
Do they still call themselves 'news'?	AgingAmerican	Mar 2014	#7
Chicken Noodle Network	C_U_L8R	Mar 2014	#8
Maybe god wants to bang that?	Whisp	Mar 2014	#14
I don't have a problem with it	qazplm	Mar 2014	#9
we are a country of idiots	bowens43	Mar 2014	#10
People are scared and overwhelmed so they believe fantastical things.	stillwaiting	Mar 2014	#29
I am truly leaning toward that	yuiyoshida	Mar 2014	#77
Judeo-Christianity hardly possesses a monopoly on 'big-bang' cosmology-as-theology	Cirque du So-What	Mar 2014	#11
Has religion always co-opted scientific fact once	sufrommich	Mar 2014	#12
THIS nt	redqueen	Mar 2014	#34
But first! This just in!	KansDem	Mar 2014	#13
It is a blog	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#15
Yeah, I just prepended the 'breaking news' in keeping with this weeks CNN-ism n/t	IDemo	Mar 2014	#24
Well CNN news has been running that line of thought	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#28
But that is Nooz!	Brother Buzz	Mar 2014	#228
Oh-oh, Chongo!!!	derby378	Mar 2014	#16
As a Christian, let me say:	chrisa	Mar 2014	#17
Good reply	sarisataka	Mar 2014	#30
No. Who made God? Hmmmm?	catbyte	Mar 2014	#18
This breaking news just in: CNN is completely brain-damaged.	backscatter712	Mar 2014	#19
CNN published this?	LittleBlue	Mar 2014	#20
Wolf Blitzer reporting live from the Speculation Room	Blue Owl	Mar 2014	#21
DUzy	malaise	Mar 2014	#37
Idiots.	Iggo	Mar 2014	#22
What?	Vashta Nerada	Mar 2014	#23
oh jesus u. christ on a fucking trolley really CNN?	snooper2	Mar 2014	#25
No. The Judeo-Christian concept of Yahweh has been defined as supernatural.	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#26
Facepalm	NoOneMan	Mar 2014	#27
Humans created god	seveneyes	Mar 2014	#31
I want to believe that our universe was a being from another universe's equivalent to a...	Humanist_Activist	Mar 2014	#39
um...	yuiyoshida	Mar 2014	#83
My philosophy professor in college	lordsummerisle	Mar 2014	#253
So, is god paying for all this advertising, or is CNN doing it for free?	FiveGoodMen	Mar 2014	#32
the inflationary era just proves Satan's real	MisterP	Mar 2014	#33
Nobody is this stupid... okay, yes they are	cthulu2016	Mar 2014	#35
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Mar 2014	#36
How many giraffes does it take to change a light bulb?	Humanist_Activist	Mar 2014	#38
If I'm understanding the argument, if it happened then God did it.	LiberalAndProud	Mar 2014	#40
That's pretty much my understanding of the article.	Trillo	Mar 2014	#105
It's the usual way of these things...	Ron Obvious	Mar 2014	#41
If by "God" they mean Alan Guth's theory of hyperinflation, and Andrei Linde's theory of chaotic	Warren DeMontague	Mar 2014	#42
I wish they would stop lumping "Judeo's" with Christians...	PCIntern	Mar 2014	#43
I agree. Basically it's cover, so they can disguise the fact that it's really a fundy Xtian agenda	Warren DeMontague	Mar 2014	#45
I always figured that everyone was geting the Judeo part wrong	Tyrs WolfDaemon	Mar 2014	#66
What is a "God"?	maxsolomon	Mar 2014	#44
People more emotionally invested in getting you to affirm or deny a concept, than defining it	Warren DeMontague	Mar 2014	#46
Did God do it Himself or contract it out? If so, He should fire the contractors.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2014	#47
There was no 'before'.	GeorgeGist	Mar 2014	#48
"offering strong support for biblical beliefs"	Arugula Latte	Mar 2014	#49
Only if it's turtles all the way down	Scootaloo	Mar 2014	#52
UNREC	brooklynite	Mar 2014	#53
After the "black hole ate MH370?" fiasco, I really thought this was going to be satire	muriel_volestrangler	Mar 2014	#55
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Mar 2014	#56
both god and big bang rely on some sort of faith for they can never be proven beyond doubt	politicman	Mar 2014	#57
"something just does not come from nothing"	FiveGoodMen	Mar 2014	#61
but didnt there need to be something forthe particles to appear in.	politicman	Mar 2014	#65
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Mar 2014	#71
dont natural processes need conditions for them to occur in	politicman	Mar 2014	#81
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Mar 2014	#137
science has it immeasurable benefits but it is inacapable of answering the question	politicman	Mar 2014	#147
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Mar 2014	#165
thanks for your answer	politicman	Mar 2014	#169
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Mar 2014	#171
this is fun now	politicman	Mar 2014	#173
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Mar 2014	#180
Facepalm	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#153
you think you so smart huh	politicman	Mar 2014	#157
Actually they have	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#159
wow	politicman	Mar 2014	#161
I know you are having a problem with the concept of nothingness	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#163
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Mar 2014	#167
thanks for your answer, if you could expand a little more	politicman	Mar 2014	#170
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Mar 2014	#172
I apologise for my mistake	politicman	Mar 2014	#174
Does a prosecutor in a murder case have to kill the victim over again to "prove" murder?	Silent3	Mar 2014	#268
Theories are the equivalent of scientific facts.	jpak	Mar 2014	#197
really?	politicman	Mar 2014	#201
All theories can be falsified - with verifiable evidence.	jpak	Mar 2014	#209
You're thinking in human terms about inhuman topics	cthulu2016	Mar 2014	#62
isnt that what religion is, believing in something higher than humans and human topics	politicman	Mar 2014	#63
Religion is completely based in human perception.	HuckleB	Mar 2014	#85
Miracles may be human imgaination, but so is belieing that something just always existed.	politicman	Mar 2014	#93
13.3 Billion years is not, in any way, shape or form, always.	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#102
doesnt matter the age of the universe, where did the original conditions for the universe come from.	politicman	Mar 2014	#107
You insist on faith	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#117
please dont think I want you to believe or say what you are against, thats your perogative.	politicman	Mar 2014	#127
The creator is not science	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#133
how about his simple question	politicman	Mar 2014	#141
Answered bellow	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#144
No. That is a human micro-perception	cthulu2016	Mar 2014	#222
why is your faith in soemthing you cannot conceptaulize more valid than mine	politicman	Mar 2014	#223
Something from nothing	LostOne4Ever	Mar 2014	#64
can you have an explosion into nothing? doesnt there have to be something to have the explosion in?	politicman	Mar 2014	#69
Multiverse might be the actual explanation	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#73
half an explantion I think	politicman	Mar 2014	#91
In my mind the more we learn	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#99
please keep in mind that religion is in essence a belief in a originator.	politicman	Mar 2014	#101
You are inserting, forcing theology, into something where	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#103
not inserting, just saying there is no difference in faiths	politicman	Mar 2014	#110
You are once again inserting belief	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#114
pleased read carefully.	politicman	Mar 2014	#119
You are referring to a math paradox	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#120
do you have a better way	politicman	Mar 2014	#129
It is called the Russian Doll paradox	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#134
ok...	politicman	Mar 2014	#142
In theology, yes	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#143
gravity yes, something appear out of nowhere with no conditions for it to occur, no i dont believe	politicman	Mar 2014	#149
But it arose from the Big Bang	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#150
thanks, leave you to ponder these questions.	politicman	Mar 2014	#154
Yes really	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#156
If you want to insult go ahead, just makes your inability to provide answers	politicman	Mar 2014	#158
I know exactly where they came from	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#160
am i reading you right	politicman	Mar 2014	#162
Wrong. That is well after	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#164
great, now we are getting somewhere	politicman	Mar 2014	#168
Yes, it came from nothing	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#175
this is fun is it not:)	politicman	Mar 2014	#177
No it is not fun	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#219
Then who created the originator?	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#113
exactly, bot ideas require faith, so why is anyone calling out the other for being wrong.	politicman	Mar 2014	#122
The "creator" or "originator" is not a theory.	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#128
to each their won I say	politicman	Mar 2014	#132
When it comes to matters of science, there is no "to each their own."	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#136
so the big bang didnt need any materials to occur.	politicman	Mar 2014	#145
Not in the conventional sense you are thinking off	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#241
An "ultimate creator" origin seems unlikely --	Arugula Latte	Mar 2014	#116
....	politicman	Mar 2014	#125
Adding a creator into the mix just moves it all back a place.	Arugula Latte	Mar 2014	#130
I can say the same about matter just coming into existence from nothing	politicman	Mar 2014	#140
"unless you argue that something just always existed with no beginning what so ever."	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#131
ok then....	politicman	Mar 2014	#139
Those absolute are not as absolute as you think	LostOne4Ever	Mar 2014	#76
heres another way to put it.	politicman	Mar 2014	#90
I understand your view	LostOne4Ever	Mar 2014	#213
theories can apparently explain alot if they never are able to be tested, dont you think	politicman	Mar 2014	#217
Jesus age we create water, and break it apart all the fucking time	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#220
honesly my question was a serious one.	politicman	Mar 2014	#221
First it is not the elements for water	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#230
Again, if it is a THEORY it has been tested in some way shape or form	LostOne4Ever	Mar 2014	#266
And here we go.	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#70
Add a dash of multiverse	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#74
I'm more than willing to say "I just don't know" on a lot of this.	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#108
Yup	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#111
a 'hot and dense entity' is still something, an entity is still something that needed a beginning	politicman	Mar 2014	#100
There was no "before the Big Bang" as far as space time is concerned.	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#106
time and space AS WE KNOW IT started with the universe, are we not to ask what was before that	politicman	Mar 2014	#118
Oh boy.	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#126
ok ill try this again	politicman	Mar 2014	#138
This is the last I'll reply to this.	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#148
sorry to have pissed you off	politicman	Mar 2014	#151
Evolution is a fact, not theory	RainDog	Mar 2014	#184
yes i don't believe in evoulition, its too convienient that nothing has evolved since	politicman	Mar 2014	#185
Evolution has been observed	RainDog	Mar 2014	#186
thanks for the concern, but I am content	politicman	Mar 2014	#189
I hope you never use antibiotics	RainDog	Mar 2014	#190
I lose nothing by believing in god, instead I might gain something if I am right	politicman	Mar 2014	#193
You use the same talking points as a christian fundamentalist	RainDog	Mar 2014	#195
you may think reality is more inspiring, but I think a higher being is a lot more inspiring	politicman	Mar 2014	#198
It's about the way someone checks information	RainDog	Mar 2014	#199
yes we dont live in the dark ages, but we dont have the answers to all the questions either	politicman	Mar 2014	#202
wow	RainDog	Mar 2014	#204
mock me if you like, but answer this question if you can	politicman	Mar 2014	#210
other intelligent apes evolved	VMA131Marine	Mar 2014	#244
oh wait - you're claiming evolutionary evidence has been faked?	RainDog	Mar 2014	#187
you think i am nuts for playing the best hand available to me	politicman	Mar 2014	#192
so the benefit of religion to you	RainDog	Mar 2014	#196
again I will believe what you can show me through experiment	politicman	Mar 2014	#200
Virii evolve	RainDog	Mar 2014	#203
sorry if a cannot accept evolutionw without a proper explanation of why other creatures did not also	politicman	Mar 2014	#206
LOL	RainDog	Mar 2014	#207
mock all you like, but we will all lose in the end	politicman	Mar 2014	#212
I see nothing progressive about your words	RainDog	Mar 2014	#216
progressive does not mean believing in only science to explain everything	politicman	Mar 2014	#218
you rely on conspiracy theory, denial and bad argument	RainDog	Mar 2014	#224
If life evolves according to habitat, why did Mars not evolve its own life to live in its habitat	politicman	Mar 2014	#225
Against my better judgment, I'm getting back into this.	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#227
I read what you say but if life began with water, the surely Mars....	politicman	Mar 2014	#231
...	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#235
I'm no astronomer or astrophysicist	RainDog	Mar 2014	#229
In our own galaxy	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#233
And humans may just be vehicles to transport bacteria	RainDog	Mar 2014	#237
Self important taxis at that	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#238
It did, and then it went away	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#242
It's why DU is seriously changing, not necessarily for the better...as results show	TeamPooka	Mar 2014	#258
I wonder who sent the alert?	RainDog	Mar 2014	#259
Me too, since alerting is a worthless exercise	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#264
First fallacy, humans,	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#248
No faith is required for the big bang theory.	phil89	Mar 2014	#152
and something appearing out of nothing is not special pleading?	politicman	Mar 2014	#155
Why is there anything rather than nothing?	longship	Mar 2014	#205
We have been kind	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#239
This message was self-deleted by its author	longship	Mar 2014	#254
No. If god caused the big bang, you are still left with the problem of what caused god.	FarCenter	Mar 2014	#59
It's tortoises all the way down!	Hissyspit	Mar 2014	#176
Well, not anymore	FarCenter	Mar 2014	#215
It was round by the time of Greece, latest Rome.	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#257
First they need to prove the big bang.	idendoit	Mar 2014	#60
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Mar 2014	#67
Checkout the data at bicepkrek.org.	idendoit	Mar 2014	#78
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Mar 2014	#80
I agree with you on the god parts.	idendoit	Mar 2014	#95
Two things:	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#109
In reply to those two things:	idendoit	Mar 2014	#243
1) No it doesn't.	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#246
What doesn't what?	idendoit	Mar 2014	#260
The evidence doesn't fit a static model of the universe.	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#261
Your statement provides evidence to support the static model.	idendoit	Mar 2014	#262
No. The static model was roundly rejected in the mid-20th century for the reasons I gave you.	NuclearDem	Mar 2014	#263
As I pointed out before.	idendoit	Mar 2014	#265
I have stronger proof that there is no God....	SidDithers	Mar 2014	#68
No more than it denies it.	hobbit709	Mar 2014	#72
No.	XRubicon	Mar 2014	#75
Please	MattBaggins	Mar 2014	#79
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. .... .... .... No.	HuckleB	Mar 2014	#82
I always wonder why the anti-theists get so worked up over this	goldent	Mar 2014	#84
You like attention, don't you?	HuckleB	Mar 2014	#86
I do write posts for people to read, otherwise I wouldn't write them!	goldent	Mar 2014	#87
Coouhl.	HuckleB	Mar 2014	#88
Lol. nt	La Lioness Priyanka	Mar 2014	#251
Big Bang = God farted.	VScott	Mar 2014	#89
Sheldon comes pretty close!	WinkyDink	Mar 2014	#92
Of course it does. It also offers the same amount of proof of the non-existence of God. -nt	Liberal Veteran	Mar 2014	#94
Proof of God...	Jeff In Milwaukee	Mar 2014	#96
If so why did he create roaches long before 'humans'	Rosa Luxemburg	Mar 2014	#97
Cause he knew humans would have free will	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#121
not to mention the archebacteria!	Rosa Luxemburg	Mar 2014	#123
Well, somebody needs to be around to	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#124
This message was self-deleted by its author	HarveyDarkey	Mar 2014	#98
Maybe and maybe not. It's wonderful no matter what. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Mar 2014	#104
What is God?	Rex	Mar 2014	#112
Only for people desperately grasping at straws to prove their "god"...	Walk away	Mar 2014	#115
Why is it that a religion that is all about 'faith"	truebluegreen	Mar 2014	#135
If you have faith, what difference does evidence make?	nyquil_man	Mar 2014	#146
Why wouldn't you ask if it DISPROVED the existence of God?	cherokeeprogressive	Mar 2014	#166
Because that's an irrational question n/t	RainDog	Mar 2014	#183
Yes it does.	Kablooie	Mar 2014	#178
Of course not.	Iggo	Mar 2014	#179
It's interesting physics: it has nothing to do with "proof of G-d"	struggle4progress	Mar 2014	#181
LOL	RainDog	Mar 2014	#182
The existence or non-existence of God makes not the slightest difference to the practice of science	eridani	Mar 2014	#188
Very interesting read.	NaturalHigh	Mar 2014	#191
All based on a false assumption	Motown_Johnny	Mar 2014	#194
Yes, that flawed logic	edhopper	Mar 2014	#211
God could easy prove God exists.	JoePhilly	Mar 2014	#208
Yo, Yahweh --	Arugula Latte	Mar 2014	#232
God used to be far more extroverted.	JoePhilly	Mar 2014	#255
On a recent expedition to the East Coast, I discovered the ancient seaport of Nantucket	Thor_MN	Mar 2014	#214
Of course not, but it's unsurprising that CNN would think so.	arcane1	Mar 2014	#226
Make it stop...........	we can do it	Mar 2014	#234
LOL.	La Lioness Priyanka	Mar 2014	#236
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Mar 2014	#240
science does not fully predict what i do. therefore i am divine. nt	La Lioness Priyanka	Mar 2014	#249
Proof, or did the writer mean, "evidence"?	fascisthunter	Mar 2014	#245
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Mar 2014	#247
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Mar 2014	#250
Oh, for heaven's sake (um, so to speak). Of course not.	Jgarrick	Mar 2014	#252
Last Saturday night was pretty close to proof. nt	Zorra	Mar 2014	#256

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