These are the people who flip-flopped on Gitmo, too, when... (Reply #83)

In the discussion thread: 'Obama's new NSA proposal and Democratic partisan hackery,' by Glenn Greenwald [View all]

Tue Mar 25, 2014, 05:58 PM

83. These are the people who flip-flopped on Gitmo, too, when...

Poll: Democrats Flip Flop on Gitmo to Support Obama

In November 2009, after Obama vowed to close Guantanamo, 59 percent of Democrats approved of the decision, according to Pew.

Then in February 2012, a Washington Post/ABC News poll, cited by Pew, showed that roughly the same percentage of Democrats approved of keeping the institution open, at 61 percent.

- See more at: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/poll-democrats-flip-flop-gitmo-support-obama#sthash.5TeHlAdT.dpuf

These are the people who screamed bloody murder when Bush was in office but look the other way now that Obama is in office. I suppose the reasoning goes, "Well, if (certain policy) is wrong, it's OK because I trust Obama won't abuse it like Bush or McCain."

These people suck

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114 replies	Author	Time	Post
'Obama's new NSA proposal and Democratic partisan hackery,' by Glenn Greenwald [View all]	Newsjock	Mar 2014	OP
Glenn is the definitive expert on hackery, so he'd recognize his own...	Blue_Tires	Mar 2014	#1
Do you support the President's proposal to end bulk phone records?	NOVA_Dem	Mar 2014	#19
No one is praising the President for this except in Greenwald's crooked view.	randome	Mar 2014	#20
We haven't seen the coverage on MSNBC yet (if at all) and BOGers are busy attacking Greenwald	NOVA_Dem	Mar 2014	#33
We haven't seen the Democratic reaction, either, and Greenwald is telling us their reactions!	randome	Mar 2014	#38
Unless you know that local police serve warrants to every telecom in the USA you have no information	NOVA_Dem	Mar 2014	#40
I don't think Randome is a BOGer	Aerows	Mar 2014	#94
Yep. There are plenty of pretzel logic folks right here.	lark	Mar 2014	#47
So what do you think about Obama's decision to end the meta data program altogether?	sabrina 1	Mar 2014	#21
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Mar 2014	#22
If the shoe fits, wear it! The very individuals who attack Greenwald's blog piece are the ones	JDPriestly	Mar 2014	#67
this article is about people like you, so it's understandable why you'd be so defensive	frylock	Mar 2014	#78
I don't have satellite or cable..	2banon	Mar 2014	#2
I'm guessing the news that PBO is pushing NSA reforms that are exactly what GG wanted will be news.	msanthrope	Mar 2014	#10
perhaps so...	2banon	Mar 2014	#15
correct, the official TV "leftists" wont touch this.	bobduca	Mar 2014	#110
.	ProSense	Mar 2014	#3
You've got to read the whole article...it's the funniest thing GG's ever written. nt	msanthrope	Mar 2014	#8
Even more funny,	ProSense	Mar 2014	#52
Snowden isn't getting immunity...but may get a federal plea, after he talks. You know...the federal	msanthrope	Mar 2014	#65
I can't make it out. He spends the first (feels like) 20 paragraphs going on about another issue	Number23	Mar 2014	#88
goodness, but that guy is an asshole of the first order! yikes.	Whisp	Mar 2014	#90
Do you agree with the President deciding to end the meta data program?	sabrina 1	Mar 2014	#23
Where's the actual action?	lark	Mar 2014	#48
Because it is an acknowledgement of what WE have been saying all along. That these invasions	sabrina 1	Mar 2014	#61
You are certainly more optimistic than I am.	lark	Mar 2014	#106
Oh yay more division	SunsetDreams	Mar 2014	#4
Precisely...Glenn's pissed because PBO is doing exactly what Glenn called for him to do!	msanthrope	Mar 2014	#6
It's simply crazy	SunsetDreams	Mar 2014	#14
as we have seen for several years, "talk" of reform is not evidence of actual reform.	2banon	Mar 2014	#16
I thought Glen's sources were impeccable?? nt	msanthrope	Mar 2014	#42
???	2banon	Mar 2014	#46
President Obama cannot override Section 215, nor the FISA legislation with a stroke of a pen.	msanthrope	Mar 2014	#63
On the contrary, Glenn appears to be thrilled that the president is now in agreement with him.	sabrina 1	Mar 2014	#85
I figured he would be Pissssssed. Coming out of the woodwork like clockwork..	Cha	Mar 2014	#86
That book release was pushed from today to mid-May...Thanks Obama! nt	msanthrope	Mar 2014	#89
Really? I'm sure they(eddie&glenn) have some Big Ol' LEAKS	Cha	Mar 2014	#91
3/25 was the original date...it's now pushed to 5/13. Why? Rumor has it that it needed rewrites	msanthrope	Mar 2014	#95
"..it is factually thin.".. Shocking..	Cha	Mar 2014	#97
Do you support this decision by the President?	sabrina 1	Mar 2014	#24
Like I said...	SunsetDreams	Mar 2014	#30
"Pro NSA Democrats" my Aunt Fanny....	VanillaRhapsody	Mar 2014	#32
i see it more as pitting "Democrats" against traditional democratic principles..	frylock	Mar 2014	#80
So Glenn is throwing a tantrum because Obama's proposed reform does exactly what Glenn wanted?	msanthrope	Mar 2014	#5
Glenn is flinging poo	leftynyc	Mar 2014	#7
He's actually mad that the President proposed to end bulk collection.	msanthrope	Mar 2014	#11
Because that would mean	leftynyc	Mar 2014	#28
Now THAT is a very interesting theory	Number23	Mar 2014	#87
Glenn has one of these ...	JoePhilly	Mar 2014	#9
GG's book was scheduled for release today...wonder why it pushed to May? nt	msanthrope	Mar 2014	#13
Moving goalposts is the exact opposite of what was said.	NOVA_Dem	Mar 2014	#36
I've always said the program needed to be reigned in.	JoePhilly	Mar 2014	#41
So you stated the bulk data program was unconstitutional?	NOVA_Dem	Mar 2014	#49
Now you've changed terms.	JoePhilly	Mar 2014	#54
That's where we disagree. "Legal" and "Constitutional" are different.	NOVA_Dem	Mar 2014	#57
Thank you for the clarity here. He makes a common mistake about the law.	Vattel	Mar 2014	#66
The Supreme Court determines what is unconstitutional, not you or I.	JoePhilly	Mar 2014	#69
The supreme court changes along with what they consider constitutional.	NOVA_Dem	Mar 2014	#75
No, it just leaves it up to the telecoms.	joshcryer	Mar 2014	#53
The data belongs to the telecoms ... they use it to run their business.	JoePhilly	Mar 2014	#70
Sure.	joshcryer	Mar 2014	#72
They also use it for capacity planning.	JoePhilly	Mar 2014	#74
Statistics can be anonymous...	joshcryer	Mar 2014	#76
its also part of their billing records.	JoePhilly	Mar 2014	#84
Do YOU support the President's decision?	sabrina 1	Mar 2014	#25
Funnier than that!	joshcryer	Mar 2014	#51
Of course he is and right on cue, too. How dare Obama mess with gg's narrative.	Cha	Mar 2014	#92
Greenwald. LOL...nt	SidDithers	Mar 2014	#12
I'm thrilled with the President's decision, and support it fully. How about you?	sabrina 1	Mar 2014	#27
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Mar 2014	#34
It's hard to know. Several people in the thread have not addressed the President's decision.	sabrina 1	Mar 2014	#37
This message was self-deleted by its author	polichick	Mar 2014	#17
Jeez, can't someone believe in the need for NSA while	JaneyVee	Mar 2014	#18
To some it's black and white...	one_voice	Mar 2014	#26
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Mar 2014	#29
Not and continue to think	leftynyc	Mar 2014	#31
NO because then they cannot use it as a wedge issue to "Divide and Conquer" the Democrats...	VanillaRhapsody	Mar 2014	#35
So, do you support meta data collection, airc you did defend it, or do you support the President's	sabrina 1	Mar 2014	#39
You don't do nuance do you?	VanillaRhapsody	Mar 2014	#44
There is no nuance to this. Either our constitutional rights mean something or they don't.	sabrina 1	Mar 2014	#64
Jeez, JaneyVee, the NSA sucked the life blood from	saidsimplesimon	Mar 2014	#58
Your post proves my point...	JaneyVee	Mar 2014	#62
I applaud President Obama's efforts to curtail the NSA, and urge him to take even stronger measures.	Maedhros	Mar 2014	#43
Yep. They blow with the boss's whim.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2014	#45
Carter: Snowden's leaks 'good for Americans to know'	ProSense	Mar 2014	#50
Um...is this issue all about Democrats?	CJCRANE	Mar 2014	#55
Fuck yeah Greenwald!	whatchamacallit	Mar 2014	#56
Grrenwald the racist Libertarian?	Ikonoklast	Mar 2014	#71
If anyone fell for something	whatchamacallit	Mar 2014	#73
What does that even mean?	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2014	#77
It's whining about the	Cha	Mar 2014	#96
Holy Shit, they are TEARING HIM UP at Kos	Number23	Mar 2014	#101
you do realize....	grasswire	Mar 2014	#105
What's outrageous is your decision to relay your inability to properly process that sentence into	Number23	Mar 2014	#107
"Frankly, the only people whose moral assessments of Obama resemble Greenwald's are the Taliban and	Cha	Mar 2014	#113
Those are good links. Thanks!	randome	Mar 2014	#111
Yeah, those dirty Mexicans taking our jobs!	Ikonoklast	Mar 2014	#79
racist Libertarian?	frylock	Mar 2014	#81
Oh, you asked earlier. He's got no links, then. Love a fact-based conversation, lol. n/t	Skip Intro	Mar 2014	#99
Racist? That's a new one. Link? n/t	Skip Intro	Mar 2014	#98
Blah, blah, blah...	SoapBox	Mar 2014	#59
unlike the very people the article is about..	frylock	Mar 2014	#82
MORE PROOF it was about Obama and NOT... NOT the 4th freakin amendment!!! Obama is a smart cookie	uponit7771	Mar 2014	#60
+1	Jamaal510	Mar 2014	#93
Exactly. And Greenwald hasn't done anything but prove his (many) detractors correct	Number23	Mar 2014	#102
So what happens to all of the other types of spying on Americans?	Oilwellian	Mar 2014	#68
These are the people who flip-flopped on Gitmo, too, when...	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Mar 2014	#83
Yup. Some disgusting headlines these days	woo me with science	Mar 2014	#104
Obama says NSA not spying on Americans. How, then, can he be both able to	Skip Intro	Mar 2014	#100
Greenwald is one of those loons who thinks just because something is wrong under a Republican	Douglas Carpenter	Mar 2014	#103
You dont reason with loons	bobduca	Mar 2014	#109
K&R	woo me with science	Mar 2014	#108
"So what will they do?"	bobduca	Mar 2014	#112
K&R	cprise	Mar 2014	#114

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