You don't even know that HILLARY said that in December at a Goldman Sachs fundraiser??? (Reply #71)

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71. You don't even know that HILLARY said that in December at a Goldman Sachs fundraiser???

YIKES!!

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/12/why-liberal-democrats-are-skeptical-of-hillary-clinton-in-one-paragraph/282304/

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172 replies	Author	Time	Post
DU was for change, not progressivism... [View all]	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Mar 2014	OP
"The Obama/Clinton liberals aren't progressives". Horse shit.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#1
Cool, then you vote for Hillary	Katashi_itto	Mar 2014	#2
If she runs and wins the nomination I will.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#4
Who will you vote for	Control-Z	Mar 2014	#9
Irrelevant. I'll take this because it could easily be directed at me :)	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Mar 2014	#45
Many of YOU?	Control-Z	Mar 2014	#128
Bullshit on your horseshit...	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#3
First off, lumping Obama and Clinton together doesn't even begin to form an argument.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#10
...and you keep on pretending that Obama, the self-described moderate republican, is a progressive..	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#13
He never described himself as a moderate Republican.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#26
You may have moved right, many "progressives" have not and will not.	PowerToThePeople	Mar 2014	#76
When in the fuck did I say I moved right? I didn't move right. Public ideological acceptance did.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#80
"Public ideological acceptance did."	PowerToThePeople	Mar 2014	#82
"Can you provide proof of this assertion?" Yes, look at election history over the past 30 years.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#84
I do not consider that proof of a general move to the right by the public.	PowerToThePeople	Mar 2014	#88
Not true. There are still true left wing candidates to choose from...	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#90
The job of those of us who are active in politics is to lead our country toward a better future.	JDPriestly	Mar 2014	#97
"Now, I suppose you will accuse me of having my hair on fire and being an extremists"... No I won't	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#98
If we didn't have so much money for campaigns, we would have a better informed electorate	JDPriestly	Mar 2014	#168
Most of the "moderate Republicans" of Teddy's era--	Jackpine Radical	Mar 2014	#106
Right on. The history of the constant ideological morphing between our 2 biggest factions...	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#107
Fascinating but it is not very relevant to 1980's Republicans	dreamnightwind	Mar 2014	#124
Well theres overlap. The 1980s saw the beginning of the end for Republicans...	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#126
But he did say 80's	dreamnightwind	Mar 2014	#134
When did the president	Control-Z	Mar 2014	#12
Here you go..	truebrit71	Mar 2014	#15
The 80s St. ronnie years.	Autumn	Mar 2014	#170
Here	alsame	Mar 2014	#17
Which is still taken completely out of historical context.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#24
?? I didn't take anything	alsame	Mar 2014	#32
Actually he never said the words "I am a moderate Republican".	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#37
I don't understand HOW you do that.... I'm in awe...	bvar22	Mar 2014	#44
Moderate Republican policies like the EPA and OSHA?	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#46
Was Ted Kennedy against all of that?	dreamnightwind	Mar 2014	#129
Of course he wasn't. You are missing my point. And its far from ridiculous.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#131
You should probably re-read the post I was responding to	dreamnightwind	Mar 2014	#136
You misunderstood where I was coming from in that post.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#141
No, I also fought against them	dreamnightwind	Mar 2014	#147
" though that isn't what Obama was doing"	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#166
And I voted against moderate republicans then.	Ed Suspicious	Mar 2014	#50
As I told another poster, I don't care who you voted for. Thats irrelevant to the point.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#62
Because you so understand nuance? (nt)	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#74
In this situation, I most certainly do.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#75
Don´t make me link (nt)	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#93
I believe you spelled "think" wrong.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#94
You are so funny	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#100
Hahahahahahahaha. Seriously? Thats your big trump card in this discussion?	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#102
Nuance does not depend on your definition of conversation	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#112
No, I did not insinuate "left wingers were shit stirrers".	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#113
I asked you a simple question	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#132
Its a stupid question thats worded in a very loaded way.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#139
OK...	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#148
Either your question was intended for a yes or no answer, or...	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#164
You need to stop digging your hole.	Control-Z	Mar 2014	#159
My hole?	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#161
Yep. I can. (nt)	Control-Z	Mar 2014	#162
No, you can not (nt)	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#163
If it were proveable, I'd bet $$$ on intentional.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#165
And here.....	ForgoTheConsequence	Mar 2014	#21
but but but he DIDN'T say the exact phrase that he was a moderate republican	frylock	Mar 2014	#42
Yes, because saying "I'd have been CONSIDERED a moderate Repub in the 1980s" is the same	Number23	Mar 2014	#153
Yeah. That's why I asked.	Control-Z	Mar 2014	#156
You are exactly right.	Number23	Mar 2014	#158
Middle of the Road Centrist is exactly correct.	bvar22	Mar 2014	#23
He was basically saying "Eisenhower" Republican.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#38
More BS.	bvar22	Mar 2014	#47
Really? What was the HUGE difference? Ike didn't lock Japanese people up in internment camps?	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#48
What institutional change are you thinking is "pie in the sky"?	theaocp	Mar 2014	#6
Passing single payer when there wasn't enough political desire for it among the elected.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#22
Perfect. You are a progressive that doesnt ignore reality. I think that says a lot	rhett o rick	Mar 2014	#28
I'm against indefinite detention. I believe the TPP is crap but also overblown.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#66
the reality canard is fucking bullshit..	frylock	Mar 2014	#40
Wow. No it isn't.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#43
I'm a progressive who voted for Obama in 2008.	Maedhros	Mar 2014	#5
And he seemed to campaign against the idea of the	Ed Suspicious	Mar 2014	#56
He got elected [n/t]	Maedhros	Mar 2014	#61
Not debating what the party stands for is like a surgeon throwing out the diagnosis before surgery.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2014	#7
And there are some who think 'debate' means insults and childish name-calling.	randome	Mar 2014	#11
So? "Childish" or not, debate within the party is essential to its being more than "not as bad".	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2014	#19
I would have thought we'd progressed since then. Perhaps not.	randome	Mar 2014	#34
Lol, racist homophobes, the founders were.	Ed Suspicious	Mar 2014	#60
Exactly!	ctsnowman	Mar 2014	#67
And there are some who think 'debate' means insults and childish name-calling.	bvar22	Mar 2014	#30
That was me before I joined DU in 2005!	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Mar 2014	#14
If Warren is the progressive wing ...	frazzled	Mar 2014	#8
Warren was a Republican until pretty recently...	polichick	Mar 2014	#16
Not so much	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Mar 2014	#18
She hasn't done it.	frazzled	Mar 2014	#25
Thanks for posting this. (nt)	Control-Z	Mar 2014	#20
Warren on "Too Big To Fail". Has Obama or Clinton ever said anything...	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Mar 2014	#27
Talk, talk ...	frazzled	Mar 2014	#31
Hillary: Beating up the finance industry needs to stop. (talk, talk, words, words)	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Mar 2014	#65
I was talking about Obama, not Clinton	frazzled	Mar 2014	#69
You don't even know that HILLARY said that in December at a Goldman Sachs fundraiser???	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Mar 2014	#71
I'm not rich and have nothing to lose, but that doesn't describe everyone at DU...	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Mar 2014	#81
They list Chuck Schumer as the most liberal?	progressoid	Mar 2014	#33
I guess he voted right on the specific set of bills	frazzled	Mar 2014	#39
That made me literally laugh out loud	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#91
And not Bernie Sanders.	progressoid	Mar 2014	#111
Sad times we live in	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#119
The Consumer Protection Bureau	ctsnowman	Mar 2014	#72
Great news ...	frazzled	Mar 2014	#73
I was surprised	ctsnowman	Mar 2014	#77
k&r for Elizabeth Warren.	Laelth	Mar 2014	#29
First,	ProSense	Mar 2014	#35
Hey, I just got here, and I'd like to ask what are we talking about here? November is coming up on	genwah	Mar 2014	#36
DU was for TRUTH.	WilliamPitt	Mar 2014	#41
I am, but truth also involves research	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#52
I've noticed that TRUTH is partisan at DU. That's disappointing.	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Mar 2014	#53
"President Obama is a piece of shit.'	yowzayowzayowza	Mar 2014	#58
Wish I could recommend this post	mcar	Mar 2014	#70
Here is the thing	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#78
Another thing: There are adult ways of dealing with disappointment and then therez...	yowzayowzayowza	Mar 2014	#83
I am giving you the data	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#87
Calling President Obama a piece of shit is certainly gunna help the cause.	yowzayowzayowza	Mar 2014	#92
Alas, you are talking of a partisan liberal editorial writer here	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#114
Said partisan liberal editorial writer seriously misfired his high dudgeon.	yowzayowzayowza	Mar 2014	#116
Yup, la, la, la	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#118
I'm in no need of a fortune teller. I see reality quite well.n/t	yowzayowzayowza	Mar 2014	#120
Funny	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#123
Well, then mebbie said partisan liberal editorial writer ...	yowzayowzayowza	Mar 2014	#127
You know what?	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#130
In this instance of reality, mebbie said partisan liberal editorial writer...	yowzayowzayowza	Mar 2014	#138
Maybe it is time to say our goodbyes.	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#142
Best of luck with your studies. n/t	yowzayowzayowza	Mar 2014	#144
You shouldn´t be so hard on yourself (nt)	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#104
Clever.	yowzayowzayowza	Mar 2014	#110
Some of that just has to do with the notion that "centrist", "independent", "moderate", etc...	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#96
^^this^^	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#143
I know. I hear it often in the field as a reporter.	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#146
It would be laughable...	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#150
I know.	nadinbrzezinski	Mar 2014	#152
I understand (nt)	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#154
Mebbie you should inform them that tharze no magic incantation	yowzayowzayowza	Mar 2014	#149
magic incantations?	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#157
Is that an actual quote from Will?	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#95
Parse away.	yowzayowzayowza	Mar 2014	#99
You did the parsing (nt)	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#101
Only if you think "used car salesman" ameliorates the sentiment. n/t	yowzayowzayowza	Mar 2014	#105
Any thing can be taken out of context	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#115
Nonresponsive. n/t	yowzayowzayowza	Mar 2014	#117
Not my fault you didn´t understand my actual response (nt)	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#121
Wow, clever again.	yowzayowzayowza	Mar 2014	#122
Every bit as clever as you?	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#135
No. n/t	yowzayowzayowza	Mar 2014	#140
No?	malokvale77	Mar 2014	#151
"Sadly, truth has become toxic around here."	ProSense	Mar 2014	#59
Ask Jason Leopold about that one.	WilliamPitt	Mar 2014	#63
Oh that kerfluffle wasn't nearly as unifying as anger at SHE who must not be named	HereSince1628	Mar 2014	#133
Dude, I don't think you need to be preaching to anyone about "being toxic" at this juncture.	phleshdef	Mar 2014	#68
Stop trying to distract from Benghazi	Capt. Obvious	Mar 2014	#155
The truth. What holds us back from real change are those…..	Bonhomme Richard	Mar 2014	#49
Obama and Clinton are Third Way. Which means NO CHANGE. Well, none that we'd like, anyway...	blkmusclmachine	Mar 2014	#51
"Progressive" and "liberal" are relative terms. Many DUers are on the far left of the spectrum,	pnwmom	Mar 2014	#54
And the result of all of this discussion among Democrats will be a loss of the Senate and	Squinch	Mar 2014	#55
Anyone remember why they put the "Underground" in the name.	kentuck	Mar 2014	#57
You can't have progress without change ...	GeorgeGist	Mar 2014	#64
I wouldn't vote for Hillary, she is a conservative.	Todays_Illusion	Mar 2014	#79
If we are to draw a line between liberals and progressives, many progressives aren't "liberals"	BlueStreak	Mar 2014	#85
I'm all for fixing root causes too.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Mar 2014	#103
I would rather catch things structurally and only subsidize where all else fails	BlueStreak	Mar 2014	#125
I am a proud, long standing member of the Democratic party.............	wandy	Mar 2014	#86
Obama and Hillary are neo-liberals.	clg311	Mar 2014	#89
You know neoliberal was the name of a free market banking movement in the 30's right?	HereSince1628	Mar 2014	#137
I will not vote for another Clinton.........	BlueJac	Mar 2014	#108
I wouldn't label them as anything other than corporates	d_legendary1	Mar 2014	#109
Clintonism was the real conservatism. They balanced the budget, slashed New Deal regulation	Douglas Carpenter	Mar 2014	#145
That's it in a nutshell.	Brewinblue	Mar 2014	#160
The "easy" way is full voter participation.	gulliver	Mar 2014	#167
So, David Sirota says	Progressive dog	Mar 2014	#169
I want to just make a statement about one part in your op.	NCTraveler	Mar 2014	#171
I wasn't here in the early days, but absolutely agree with your OP's premises.	Scuba	Mar 2014	#172

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