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PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
82. "Public ideological acceptance did."
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 05:55 PM
Mar 2014

Can you provide proof of this assertion?

Because all I see is that FoxNews and Corporate main stream media trys to make that assertion. Maybe also some lobbyist groups such as 3rd way. I do not see that being a true statement.

DU was for change, not progressivism... [View all] WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 OP
"The Obama/Clinton liberals aren't progressives". Horse shit. phleshdef Mar 2014 #1
Cool, then you vote for Hillary Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #2
If she runs and wins the nomination I will. phleshdef Mar 2014 #4
Who will you vote for Control-Z Mar 2014 #9
Irrelevant. I'll take this because it could easily be directed at me :) WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #45
Many of YOU? Control-Z Mar 2014 #128
Bullshit on your horseshit... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #3
First off, lumping Obama and Clinton together doesn't even begin to form an argument. phleshdef Mar 2014 #10
...and you keep on pretending that Obama, the self-described moderate republican, is a progressive.. truebrit71 Mar 2014 #13
He never described himself as a moderate Republican. phleshdef Mar 2014 #26
You may have moved right, many "progressives" have not and will not. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #76
When in the fuck did I say I moved right? I didn't move right. Public ideological acceptance did. phleshdef Mar 2014 #80
"Public ideological acceptance did." PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #82
"Can you provide proof of this assertion?" Yes, look at election history over the past 30 years. phleshdef Mar 2014 #84
I do not consider that proof of a general move to the right by the public. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #88
Not true. There are still true left wing candidates to choose from... phleshdef Mar 2014 #90
The job of those of us who are active in politics is to lead our country toward a better future. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #97
"Now, I suppose you will accuse me of having my hair on fire and being an extremists"... No I won't phleshdef Mar 2014 #98
If we didn't have so much money for campaigns, we would have a better informed electorate JDPriestly Mar 2014 #168
Most of the "moderate Republicans" of Teddy's era-- Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #106
Right on. The history of the constant ideological morphing between our 2 biggest factions... phleshdef Mar 2014 #107
Fascinating but it is not very relevant to 1980's Republicans dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #124
Well theres overlap. The 1980s saw the beginning of the end for Republicans... phleshdef Mar 2014 #126
But he did say 80's dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #134
When did the president Control-Z Mar 2014 #12
Here you go.. truebrit71 Mar 2014 #15
The 80s St. ronnie years. Autumn Mar 2014 #170
Here alsame Mar 2014 #17
Which is still taken completely out of historical context. phleshdef Mar 2014 #24
?? I didn't take anything alsame Mar 2014 #32
Actually he never said the words "I am a moderate Republican". phleshdef Mar 2014 #37
I don't understand HOW you do that.... I'm in awe... bvar22 Mar 2014 #44
Moderate Republican policies like the EPA and OSHA? phleshdef Mar 2014 #46
Was Ted Kennedy against all of that? dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #129
Of course he wasn't. You are missing my point. And its far from ridiculous. phleshdef Mar 2014 #131
You should probably re-read the post I was responding to dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #136
You misunderstood where I was coming from in that post. phleshdef Mar 2014 #141
No, I also fought against them dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #147
" though that isn't what Obama was doing" phleshdef Mar 2014 #166
And I voted against moderate republicans then. Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #50
As I told another poster, I don't care who you voted for. Thats irrelevant to the point. phleshdef Mar 2014 #62
Because you so understand nuance? (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2014 #74
In this situation, I most certainly do. phleshdef Mar 2014 #75
Donīt make me link (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2014 #93
I believe you spelled "think" wrong. phleshdef Mar 2014 #94
You are so funny malokvale77 Mar 2014 #100
Hahahahahahahaha. Seriously? Thats your big trump card in this discussion? phleshdef Mar 2014 #102
Nuance does not depend on your definition of conversation malokvale77 Mar 2014 #112
No, I did not insinuate "left wingers were shit stirrers". phleshdef Mar 2014 #113
I asked you a simple question malokvale77 Mar 2014 #132
Its a stupid question thats worded in a very loaded way. phleshdef Mar 2014 #139
OK... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #148
Either your question was intended for a yes or no answer, or... phleshdef Mar 2014 #164
You need to stop digging your hole. Control-Z Mar 2014 #159
My hole? malokvale77 Mar 2014 #161
Yep. I can. (nt) Control-Z Mar 2014 #162
No, you can not (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2014 #163
If it were proveable, I'd bet $$$ on intentional. phleshdef Mar 2014 #165
And here..... ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #21
but but but he DIDN'T say the exact phrase that he was a moderate republican frylock Mar 2014 #42
Yes, because saying "I'd have been CONSIDERED a moderate Repub in the 1980s" is the same Number23 Mar 2014 #153
Yeah. That's why I asked. Control-Z Mar 2014 #156
You are exactly right. Number23 Mar 2014 #158
Middle of the Road Centrist is exactly correct. bvar22 Mar 2014 #23
He was basically saying "Eisenhower" Republican. phleshdef Mar 2014 #38
More BS. bvar22 Mar 2014 #47
Really? What was the HUGE difference? Ike didn't lock Japanese people up in internment camps? phleshdef Mar 2014 #48
What institutional change are you thinking is "pie in the sky"? theaocp Mar 2014 #6
Passing single payer when there wasn't enough political desire for it among the elected. phleshdef Mar 2014 #22
Perfect. You are a progressive that doesnt ignore reality. I think that says a lot rhett o rick Mar 2014 #28
I'm against indefinite detention. I believe the TPP is crap but also overblown. phleshdef Mar 2014 #66
the reality canard is fucking bullshit.. frylock Mar 2014 #40
Wow. No it isn't. phleshdef Mar 2014 #43
I'm a progressive who voted for Obama in 2008. Maedhros Mar 2014 #5
And he seemed to campaign against the idea of the Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #56
He got elected [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2014 #61
Not debating what the party stands for is like a surgeon throwing out the diagnosis before surgery. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #7
And there are some who think 'debate' means insults and childish name-calling. randome Mar 2014 #11
So? "Childish" or not, debate within the party is essential to its being more than "not as bad". Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #19
I would have thought we'd progressed since then. Perhaps not. randome Mar 2014 #34
Lol, racist homophobes, the founders were. Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #60
Exactly! ctsnowman Mar 2014 #67
And there are some who think 'debate' means insults and childish name-calling. bvar22 Mar 2014 #30
That was me before I joined DU in 2005! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #14
If Warren is the progressive wing ... frazzled Mar 2014 #8
Warren was a Republican until pretty recently... polichick Mar 2014 #16
Not so much WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #18
She hasn't done it. frazzled Mar 2014 #25
Thanks for posting this. (nt) Control-Z Mar 2014 #20
Warren on "Too Big To Fail". Has Obama or Clinton ever said anything... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #27
Talk, talk ... frazzled Mar 2014 #31
Hillary: Beating up the finance industry needs to stop. (talk, talk, words, words) WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #65
I was talking about Obama, not Clinton frazzled Mar 2014 #69
You don't even know that HILLARY said that in December at a Goldman Sachs fundraiser??? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #71
I'm not rich and have nothing to lose, but that doesn't describe everyone at DU... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #81
They list Chuck Schumer as the most liberal? progressoid Mar 2014 #33
I guess he voted right on the specific set of bills frazzled Mar 2014 #39
That made me literally laugh out loud malokvale77 Mar 2014 #91
And not Bernie Sanders. progressoid Mar 2014 #111
Sad times we live in malokvale77 Mar 2014 #119
The Consumer Protection Bureau ctsnowman Mar 2014 #72
Great news ... frazzled Mar 2014 #73
I was surprised ctsnowman Mar 2014 #77
k&r for Elizabeth Warren. Laelth Mar 2014 #29
First, ProSense Mar 2014 #35
Hey, I just got here, and I'd like to ask what are we talking about here? November is coming up on genwah Mar 2014 #36
DU was for TRUTH. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #41
I am, but truth also involves research nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #52
I've noticed that TRUTH is partisan at DU. That's disappointing. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #53
"President Obama is a piece of shit.' yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #58
Wish I could recommend this post mcar Mar 2014 #70
Here is the thing nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #78
Another thing: There are adult ways of dealing with disappointment and then therez... yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #83
I am giving you the data nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #87
Calling President Obama a piece of shit is certainly gunna help the cause. yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #92
Alas, you are talking of a partisan liberal editorial writer here nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #114
Said partisan liberal editorial writer seriously misfired his high dudgeon. yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #116
Yup, la, la, la nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #118
I'm in no need of a fortune teller. I see reality quite well.n/t yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #120
Funny nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #123
Well, then mebbie said partisan liberal editorial writer ... yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #127
You know what? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #130
In this instance of reality, mebbie said partisan liberal editorial writer... yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #138
Maybe it is time to say our goodbyes. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #142
Best of luck with your studies. n/t yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #144
You shouldnīt be so hard on yourself (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2014 #104
Clever. yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #110
Some of that just has to do with the notion that "centrist", "independent", "moderate", etc... phleshdef Mar 2014 #96
^^this^^ malokvale77 Mar 2014 #143
I know. I hear it often in the field as a reporter. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #146
It would be laughable... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #150
I know. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #152
I understand (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2014 #154
Mebbie you should inform them that tharze no magic incantation yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #149
magic incantations? malokvale77 Mar 2014 #157
Is that an actual quote from Will? malokvale77 Mar 2014 #95
Parse away. yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #99
You did the parsing (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2014 #101
Only if you think "used car salesman" ameliorates the sentiment. n/t yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #105
Any thing can be taken out of context malokvale77 Mar 2014 #115
Nonresponsive. n/t yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #117
Not my fault you didnīt understand my actual response (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2014 #121
Wow, clever again. yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #122
Every bit as clever as you? malokvale77 Mar 2014 #135
No. n/t yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #140
No? malokvale77 Mar 2014 #151
"Sadly, truth has become toxic around here." ProSense Mar 2014 #59
Ask Jason Leopold about that one. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #63
Oh that kerfluffle wasn't nearly as unifying as anger at SHE who must not be named HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #133
Dude, I don't think you need to be preaching to anyone about "being toxic" at this juncture. phleshdef Mar 2014 #68
Stop trying to distract from Benghazi Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #155
The truth. What holds us back from real change are those….. Bonhomme Richard Mar 2014 #49
Obama and Clinton are Third Way. Which means NO CHANGE. Well, none that we'd like, anyway... blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #51
"Progressive" and "liberal" are relative terms. Many DUers are on the far left of the spectrum, pnwmom Mar 2014 #54
And the result of all of this discussion among Democrats will be a loss of the Senate and Squinch Mar 2014 #55
Anyone remember why they put the "Underground" in the name. kentuck Mar 2014 #57
You can't have progress without change ... GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #64
I wouldn't vote for Hillary, she is a conservative. Todays_Illusion Mar 2014 #79
If we are to draw a line between liberals and progressives, many progressives aren't "liberals" BlueStreak Mar 2014 #85
I'm all for fixing root causes too. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #103
I would rather catch things structurally and only subsidize where all else fails BlueStreak Mar 2014 #125
I am a proud, long standing member of the Democratic party............. wandy Mar 2014 #86
Obama and Hillary are neo-liberals. clg311 Mar 2014 #89
You know neoliberal was the name of a free market banking movement in the 30's right? HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #137
I will not vote for another Clinton......... BlueJac Mar 2014 #108
I wouldn't label them as anything other than corporates d_legendary1 Mar 2014 #109
Clintonism was the real conservatism. They balanced the budget, slashed New Deal regulation Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #145
That's it in a nutshell. Brewinblue Mar 2014 #160
The "easy" way is full voter participation. gulliver Mar 2014 #167
So, David Sirota says Progressive dog Mar 2014 #169
I want to just make a statement about one part in your op. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #171
I wasn't here in the early days, but absolutely agree with your OP's premises. Scuba Mar 2014 #172
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