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gollygee

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31. There's a bit of a contradiction with what we usually hear

Sat Mar 29, 2014, 12:07 PM

Mar 2014

Usually, it's, "If women want to protect themselves from sexual assault, they should take self-defense classes." We're even told that classes for men about consent and rape are horrible, and that women should be the ones to learn to protect themselves instead.

But now, it's, "The city can't offer self-defense classes for women to protect themselves from sexual assault."

It seems like women are just SOL.

I understand the legal argument, but I don't think that's what the MRAs care about.

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‘Men’s rights’ group claims free self-defense classes for women are sexist [View all] Katashi_itto Mar 2014 OP

They might have a valid legal point Nevernose Mar 2014 #1

You may have a point, from a legal standing. But still, dear lord, Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #2

As a supporter of a woman's right to armed self-defense, I agree. Jgarrick Mar 2014 #3

Why "morally and ethically" a stupid point? (n/t) Seeking Serenity Mar 2014 #5

I'm actually rethinking my position now Nevernose Mar 2014 #6

I agree, have to look at it differently. Oh the surface it seems horrendous. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #30

They are right here though treestar Mar 2014 #4

Or sexually assaulted newdemocrat999 Mar 2014 #10

Usually attacked by other men mainer Mar 2014 #42

Pap smears only for women are sexist too! FSogol Mar 2014 #7

Men can't get cervical cancer. So they have no use for a pap smear. Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #14

To you as well Lancero Mar 2014 #17

Actually... Lancero Mar 2014 #16

I was going to say mammogram, but then figured that men could have that test. FSogol Mar 2014 #29

Why not have it free for men and women? newdemocrat999 Mar 2014 #8

Sounds like benevolent sexism to me (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2014 #9

I know you probably mean that in a snarky way, but I agree with you this time. dawg Mar 2014 #18

Rut, roh BainsBane Mar 2014 #46

really? the hypocrisy... oh, and da doors seabeyond Mar 2014 #48

As much as I hate to agree - Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #11

Men and women both should know how to protect themselves. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #12

Why should a small, weak, 70 year old guy who is living in a bad neighborhood be denied free classes Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #13

When you phrase it that way I agree Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #25

A stopped clock is right twice a day etherealtruth Mar 2014 #15

They used to call them "battered womens' shelters"... Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #19

Seperate but equal then? Lancero Mar 2014 #20

Why is that a problem? kcr Mar 2014 #22

Cute. You need to ask women that question... Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #24

When you have total beginners learning martial arts it's often good to separate Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #27

I agree. On the range, guys don't want to be shown up! Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #35

Umm, thats not what I'm talking about. I spar with women who are brilliant and Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #36

Two points Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #21

The problem is its government-sponsored davidn3600 Mar 2014 #23

At first glance the classes sound unfair. rrneck Mar 2014 #26

^^^This^^^ Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #28

I have no problem with the classes being sex-segregated. Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #32

I thought of that. rrneck Mar 2014 #33

The self defense teaching should be appropriate to the students. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #43

It looks like it's funded by private donations rrneck Mar 2014 #47

Right, private donations. The city's only giving them space. mainer Mar 2014 #51

Well, to be fair rrneck Mar 2014 #54

There's a bit of a contradiction with what we usually hear gollygee Mar 2014 #31

You have this wrong, imo... Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #34

Oh please. As far as I can see everyone here supports free defense classes for both women and men. Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #37

The only reason it's free for women is private fundraising mainer Mar 2014 #53

Paragraph 2 displacedtexan Mar 2014 #38

A self defense class without men cannot hope to live up to its name. Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #39

Maybe they're taught by a guy? mainer Mar 2014 #41

Now that you mention it mainer I was overlooking that psychological aspect of it. Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #45

Our class didn't involve sparring, but learning to feel comfortable throwing punches mainer Mar 2014 #49

Okay, that all makes sense, we don't disagree at all, we're just making different points. Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #55

The classes are paid for through fundraising mainer Mar 2014 #40

OT, but Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #44

Likely the complaint is valid... sarisataka Mar 2014 #50

harry crouch sounds like god's gift to women... mainer Mar 2014 #52

Maybe he didn't get breast fed, I dunno. He seems pretty hostile. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #57

Plaintiffs are right on this one. CFLDem Mar 2014 #56