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Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
92. When I hear the attackers of the president come up with 1 good idea, I might listen to them
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 07:00 PM
Mar 2014

Until then, I see them as mere whiners with no purpose.

There's a huge space between seeing a POTUS as a respectable figure who can be criticized > KittyWampus Mar 2014 #1
Of course your "respect for the office" argument falls apart with a republican president whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #4
I didn't say "respect for the office". I intentionally said respect for a President of the USA who KittyWampus Mar 2014 #9
So you always followed that criteria with Bush? whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #12
Nope, I admit to be hypocritical at times. That's pretty human isn't it? KittyWampus Mar 2014 #14
Thanks for a good (honest) answer! whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #17
So you're saying that Obama = Bush? nt jazzimov Mar 2014 #21
Nice try lol whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #23
That's got to be the one of the weakest, most pathetic, and, LWolf Mar 2014 #116
Pathetic. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #194
... Phlem Mar 2014 #248
Why should we care ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #79
That's an excellent question... greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #81
Folks keep asking and nobody keeps answering Number23 Mar 2014 #99
I soooooo ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #158
Are you going to go all Odyssey on me?? Number23 Mar 2014 #181
Ha! nt ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #226
There is no objective reason to care about anything. ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #160
We shouldn't and I don't. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #162
What fucking crap whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #166
I was referring to a hit and run poster. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #168
Ah... sorry then n/t whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #170
Wait-- you're still insisting that "used car salesman" is a racist term? /nt Marr Mar 2014 #216
We should care about the level of political discourse, which apparently is the topic here. Or is it sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #165
I'm talking about those here ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #211
who gives a shit about Bush , this is a Dem site JI7 Mar 2014 #95
Maybe the millions of innocent victims he created many of whom are still trying to get sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #247
Well, I've pretty much followed your advice when criticizing policies of not just this president but sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #26
Generally, I respect you and your posts. Have a good weekend Sabrina! KittyWampus Mar 2014 #32
Thank you KittyWampus, you too! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #36
It's nice to see some civility. It's too bad that everyone with policy disagreements could not get totodeinhere Mar 2014 #215
Plus un brazilion. n/t me b zola Mar 2014 #265
The fan club tend to lash out against the thoughtful critiques Doctor_J Mar 2014 #120
went to University? POsphere Mar 2014 #201
i have no "respect for the office." tomp Mar 2014 #196
Then you have given more weight to the negatives, which shows bias. randome Mar 2014 #197
it's not as simple as that. tomp Mar 2014 #198
Part of the problem is that Bush left such a rancid stench on the office that totodeinhere Mar 2014 #218
Your point is well made. randome Mar 2014 #228
I'm with you on that. And I fail to see how the phrase is any different from "respect the badge"... Marr Mar 2014 #219
Exactly whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #224
But they are salesmen DerekG Mar 2014 #10
They are executives. Marketing is done by subordinates. Can they do much to rally people KittyWampus Mar 2014 #16
How can you respect an executive that carries the wrong message, shaped by his marketeers? MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #87
That statement is could be a disortion , exaggeration and a lie, Derek. lumpy Mar 2014 #43
"salesman"? really? Now the Piece of shit used car salesman is reduced to "salesman"? I don't Cha Mar 2014 #44
Well, yes Cha - salesman Scootaloo Mar 2014 #59
No.. don't see this president that way. bush was the fucking decider and Cha Mar 2014 #63
Richard Neustadt argued that the power of Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #69
Sorry Cha, that's just how it works Scootaloo Mar 2014 #85
I know how it works.. you really don't need to welcome me to politics. Cha Mar 2014 #90
You sure? Because it looks like you're taking offense at reality Scootaloo Mar 2014 #246
Are you as amazed as I am Marr Mar 2014 #221
Gee, when FDR referred to a "Day that will live in infamy," no one called him a "piece of shit used MADem Mar 2014 #179
Thank you for the history. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #267
I would think he does 840high Mar 2014 #145
Of course, LWolf Mar 2014 #117
He made two posts. The first one did call the President a 'piece of shit' and a 'used car salesman'. randome Mar 2014 #118
I probably shouldn't have assumed LWolf Mar 2014 #122
What, you can't follow every post in GD? Slacker! randome Mar 2014 #124
Randome is NOT being honest about that. (surprised?) bvar22 Mar 2014 #242
The bias is yours, bvar22. randome Mar 2014 #245
I've driven POS Used Cars most of my life. bvar22 Mar 2014 #249
So, in the term "Millionaire Used Car Salesman" the "Millionaire" bit refers to the CAR, not the MADem Mar 2014 #263
Criticism does no good unless you have an endgame in mind. randome Mar 2014 #2
No, no President deserves the benefit of the doubt. On the contrary, the People deserve the truth. Scuba Mar 2014 #25
Absolutely. 840high Mar 2014 #146
When any elected official is pushing bad policies they do NOT deserve the 'benefit of the doubt'. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #30
I would show you the same benefit of a doubt, Sabrina. randome Mar 2014 #41
we give a president the "benefit of the doubt" when we elect him or her. grasswire Mar 2014 #98
Of course it's not immutable. But keep the bigger picture in view. randome Mar 2014 #104
what DO you do when your daughters deceive or dismay you? nt grasswire Mar 2014 #106
Make them aware that I know it. randome Mar 2014 #112
the Internet actually interferes with any significant protest. grasswire Mar 2014 #119
You're probably right about the Internet. randome Mar 2014 #123
Great reply! nt snappyturtle Mar 2014 #68
Do you think that opposing the TPP is tilting at windmills? Do you think we should just rhett o rick Mar 2014 #157
I have never called anyone out for posting about the TPP. Yes, I think it's a legitimate issue. randome Mar 2014 #193
accountability and broken promises DEMAND IT. n/t reddread Mar 2014 #241
No in-between? Wow. JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #3
Could you give the order? DerekG Mar 2014 #6
I believe leadership at that level has to foster some semblance of Stoicism. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #11
That may be true, in times of genuine crisis DerekG Mar 2014 #18
Certain qualities of "leadership" correlate strongly with psychopathic traits. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #84
What I want to see is Presidential candidates injected with truth serum snappyturtle Mar 2014 #72
Or be forced to wear Google Glasses for the duration of their term. randome Mar 2014 #114
Ha! good idea! nt snappyturtle Mar 2014 #115
Probably not. JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #19
For what it's worth, I don't think Obama is malignant like Bush DerekG Mar 2014 #27
Well stated, thanks lumpy Mar 2014 #46
Every person who SEEKS the office knows the awful power that comes with it... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #39
Presidents shouldn't be DEMONIZED, either. BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #5
Excellent post, Blue. Appreciated. lumpy Mar 2014 #48
+++''Nary a word against Republicans from these same posters...'' Whisp Mar 2014 #56
Strange, that... n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #269
+1 Excellent post OKNancy Mar 2014 #60
Psst. Everybody on DU isn't a Democrat. It's not even required. nt Kahuna Mar 2014 #71
I know. But it *is* required to support Democrats - especially in an election year. BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #135
Especially a President who's standing on the front lines between us and Cha Mar 2014 #74
Righteous post. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #270
Exactly. People here hide their demonization as fair criticism. That's the problem. berni_mccoy Mar 2014 #75
And "fair criticism" isn't juvenile name calling! greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #82
Exactly. eom BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #136
Exactly and there are some with nothing but criticism treestar Mar 2014 #230
Whoops Doctor_J Mar 2014 #121
Bullshit. Obama gets criticized every day by people using lies lovingly crafted by Republicans. baldguy Mar 2014 #132
Whoops again Doctor_J Mar 2014 #147
Again, I say BULLSHIT. baldguy Mar 2014 #190
+1 Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #163
So, you never demonized Bush? rusty fender Mar 2014 #176
Don't be silly. BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #256
That sure is a high horse rusty fender Mar 2014 #266
Talk about a high horse. Yours is *staggering*. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #281
I agree with you about Bush/Cheney rusty fender Apr 2014 #282
Then you misunderstood my post, and you don't understand the concept of BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #283
LOLOLOL! rusty fender Apr 2014 #284
That's the reaction I had when I read the kumbaya part of your post. BlueCaliDem Apr 2014 #285
We take ourselves too seriously, sometimes... rusty fender Apr 2014 #286
Did you demonize Bush at all? Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #233
Well said and thank you. More education, less emoting. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #268
Goodluck with that, you just missed the liberal witchhunt. Rex Mar 2014 #7
There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it. Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #8
Lord Acton was somewhat of an ass. lumpy Mar 2014 #52
So, you think that presidents should be sanctified when they take office? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #53
His reputation lumpy Mar 2014 #61
Which has what to do with his comment? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #62
Just an observation that some times an ass can say something a lot of humans can agree upon. lumpy Mar 2014 #64
Everyone welcomes constructive criticism frazzled Mar 2014 #13
+1 treestar Mar 2014 #54
+1 one_voice Mar 2014 #97
Perfect post. It has always tickled me to no end that the ones throwing "lockstepper" and Number23 Mar 2014 #100
+1 nt MADem Mar 2014 #264
So you're saying all presidents are psychopaths. Avalux Mar 2014 #15
They possess qualities common to psychopaths, though not necessarily as acute DerekG Mar 2014 #24
And the current Prez doesn't exhibit any of those qualities. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #29
I find the current President infinitely more admirable than his most unfair critics here BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #31
Most people possess & exhibit a propensity for lying, and a bolstered sense of self and, certainly, lumpy Mar 2014 #57
That's borderline insane treestar Mar 2014 #231
Pretty much, yeah. DeSwiss Mar 2014 #188
and you should always beat animals and children whistler162 Mar 2014 #20
Wait. What. Did somebody say we should beat the president? yardwork Mar 2014 #206
The candidates need to be confronted and questioned and challenged. oldandhappy Mar 2014 #22
Are those the only 2 options you're giving us? JaneyVee Mar 2014 #28
Reccing for the subject line. woo me with science Mar 2014 #33
There is a big difference Andy823 Mar 2014 #34
I think there should be a bipartisan effort to strengthen the legitimacy of the office myself. GiveMeMorePIE Mar 2014 #35
It was Bush that destroyed the legitimacy of the office and the absolution of Bush Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #40
Presidents' actions or lack thereof are certainly open for either criticism or praise, imo... Spazito Mar 2014 #37
Many folks require a cult of personality to believe in 1000words Mar 2014 #38
DURec. bvar22 Mar 2014 #42
No one here has announced there should be no criticism of the Prez or stand by him right or wrong. lumpy Mar 2014 #65
Many here believe that "they" and ONLY "they" can draw the line between... bvar22 Mar 2014 #78
It doesn't take much brain power to figure out what is criticism and what is bashing. lumpy Mar 2014 #111
for YOURSELF... bvar22 Mar 2014 #130
Skinner has made it simple for you ucrdem Mar 2014 #133
But YOU are the one WHINING, bvar22 Mar 2014 #142
I'm afraid you're very mistaken. ucrdem Mar 2014 #143
YOU have made it an issue in THIS thread, bvar22 Mar 2014 #150
What on earth. Pornography? You friend are confused. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #151
You really have to pay closer attention. bvar22 Mar 2014 #154
Off the rails. Buh bye. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #155
Alert FAIL! bvar22 Mar 2014 #272
It doesn't take superhuman powers to divine what is criticism and what is bashing. lumpy Mar 2014 #134
Nobody's fucking "idolizing".. and this is where the communication breaks down. You cover up the Cha Mar 2014 #45
Mea Culpa. bvar22 Mar 2014 #125
People would like to think that politicians are "leaders" rather than public servants. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #47
Wrong on Carter mrchips Mar 2014 #49
Ahem. Carter initiated the policy of arming Afghanis, truebluegreen Mar 2014 #186
Lovely revisionism but... mrchips Mar 2014 #207
This will be news to Brzezinski. truebluegreen Mar 2014 #210
Carter Boycotted Olympics mrchips Mar 2014 #213
My point was exactly what I said: truebluegreen Mar 2014 #217
Feel Better? mrchips Mar 2014 #222
Uh-huh. truebluegreen Mar 2014 #238
You began mrchips Mar 2014 #243
Thanks for correcting that. I have gotten to the point I don't bother. Google would prove most freshwest Mar 2014 #271
Sometimes I think there is a strong corrolation between partisanship and authoritarianism. nt rrneck Mar 2014 #50
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #51
It is always necessary to be civil if you want to be heard. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #55
Oh, shut the #@!$ up, you Obama-worshiping cretin! randome Mar 2014 #91
Questioned and Confronted by whom? Not in person OKNancy Mar 2014 #58
Hear hear lumpy Mar 2014 #70
yeah, but i think the intent is to turn off people to OBama and other Dems JI7 Mar 2014 #96
this new and oft-mentioned suspicion among Obama supporters... grasswire Mar 2014 #129
ITA JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #66
Questioned and confronted LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #67
Presidents should be questioned and confronted. Iggo Mar 2014 #73
In my very humble opinion... N_E_1 for Tennis Mar 2014 #76
we can all see who the POS is, come on now stg81 Mar 2014 #77
Should presidents be rhetorically shat upon? Skinner Mar 2014 #80
If he's a Republican, apparently. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #86
But ProSense Mar 2014 #89
I like that: Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #169
No! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #175
Must protect bush-cheney's sensibilities.. Cha Mar 2014 #184
who gives a shit how Republicans are treated, this is not a republican site JI7 Mar 2014 #94
Skinner does apparently Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #141
he has never criticized anyone for going after Bush and other Republicans JI7 Mar 2014 #159
Direct quote: Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #164
it's very clear based on him never objecting to attacks on republicans and this being DEMOCRATIC JI7 Mar 2014 #167
Except he just did object to attacks on Republicans, by implication. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #171
no it's not , look at the board DEMOCRATICUNDERGROUND , you have to consider the context of where JI7 Mar 2014 #172
It's very CLEAR and anyone who doesn't see that is trying to Cha Mar 2014 #189
I'm using "should" because that's the word the OP used. Skinner Mar 2014 #195
+1000 OKNancy Mar 2014 #199
Right then. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #200
You're changing the subject. Skinner Mar 2014 #209
Maybe Tourette Syndrome is also under-reported? randome Mar 2014 #212
No, I'm not actually changing the subject. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #214
Is it really so difficult to just give a straight "no" answer? Skinner Mar 2014 #225
Excellent way to completely miss the relevant context, there. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #239
I have run across the idea that treestar Mar 2014 #237
So you've never 840high Mar 2014 #148
+1 I asked the same nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #107
I don't care for the crude insults Skittles Mar 2014 #103
I will ask again, are you intending to extend this courtesy to all Presidents nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #108
Then I respectfully suggest you find another forum. randome Mar 2014 #110
Lt Awol was regularly shat upon by DU during his tenure truebrit71 Mar 2014 #113
What a ProSense Mar 2014 #126
Really! greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #127
Interesting that, huh? But we have some here who freely admit they are former GOP but always post freshwest Mar 2014 #187
You do realize that this is Democratic Underground? sheshe2 Mar 2014 #174
the person was also angry about the trip to China by Michelle Obama JI7 Mar 2014 #191
I was angry? Really? truebrit71 Mar 2014 #204
I was looking for some information on her trip there... And one of the first search resutls was a freshwest Mar 2014 #273
Do you have reading comprehension issues? Seriously. truebrit71 Mar 2014 #203
Thank you for the question, Skinner. The question that's getting a thousand Cha Mar 2014 #192
These are ProSense Mar 2014 #83
Yes, the executive office connects with the message and leads as a result... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #88
When I hear the attackers of the president come up with 1 good idea, I might listen to them Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #92
Well here is one that I knew was going to be a problem nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #128
And it is proving to be a problem. Time will tell whether the problem will be solved. lumpy Mar 2014 #137
As I said, Leader Pelosi and President Obama did not fight for that nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #144
+1 most of them are just not really good constructive criticism treestar Mar 2014 #235
I agree. Out of context. Plus the whiners have 0 ideas. I've yet to hear one. They have none. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #250
Doesn't that go with all world leaders? Or Executives in general? fujiyama Mar 2014 #93
no shit Skittles Mar 2014 #101
"the Tiger Beat fan club is sickening" ProSense Mar 2014 #105
Indeed it is.. truebrit71 Mar 2014 #140
Yeah and they love it. I guess the next time I lose a jury decision Rex Mar 2014 #149
Aw f 'em Skittles Mar 2014 #152
No doubt. Rex Mar 2014 #153
+1 Jgarrick Mar 2014 #102
Well...duh. Texasgal Mar 2014 #109
I'd like to see the FUD peddlers questioned and confronted. ucrdem Mar 2014 #131
Because we are not a monolith seveneyes Mar 2014 #138
A good question lumpy Mar 2014 #139
Question... fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #173
DAMN right and WELL said! Full marks for you, go to the head of the class!!!!! nt MADem Mar 2014 #180
Nailed it. n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #274
This level of distrust and cynicism goes far beyond what's healthy cheapdate Mar 2014 #156
Yes, and it's a recipe for apathy leading to very bad results. n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #275
I haven't made a formal study of the question, cheapdate Apr 2014 #277
CP posted this cartoon of why it's necessary: freshwest Apr 2014 #278
Aye fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #161
We call this a false dichotomy. AceWheeler Mar 2014 #177
Politicians are servants of the people...and anyone who is abusive towards their servants is an ass. MADem Mar 2014 #178
not sure that was the attitude around here 2001-2008 DrDan Mar 2014 #202
I have been here since the first week DU went live, notwithstanding my "new" MADem Mar 2014 #255
well - I have been here since 2001 also DrDan Mar 2014 #257
Come on--this IS a partisan website, after all. You are, since you've been here as long as I have, MADem Mar 2014 #258
it was silly of me to think "abusive, nasty and vitriolic language" applied to DrDan Mar 2014 #259
Well, thanks for missing--quite completely, too--the nuance in my remarks! MADem Mar 2014 #262
No mistreating the 'servants?' fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #253
Did you not even try to read what I said? I had it exactly right. MADem Mar 2014 #254
I’m not going to take responsibility for the actions of others. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #260
The real boss is the population that shows up at the polls. MADem Mar 2014 #261
someone might chug a fifth and either edorse that, or rail against it. dionysus Mar 2014 #182
You are way too generous. blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #183
K&R DeSwiss Mar 2014 #185
I think that's what the founders had in mind. yardwork Mar 2014 #205
Leaders and those in positions of power should always be under much more scrutiny. L0oniX Mar 2014 #208
Taught my kids, ALWAYS question authority. marble falls Mar 2014 #220
That's what I tell my daughters, too. randome Mar 2014 #229
Even in simpler matters? treestar Mar 2014 #234
Always question authority. Always truth to power. marble falls Mar 2014 #240
You trust all judges in this country? Wow, do more reading. Maybe questioning a judge should not.... Logical Mar 2014 #252
Don't be talking trash about Jimmy! Zen Democrat Mar 2014 #223
Thank you! n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #276
If I don't criticize, then I must idolize? Is that what you said? JohnnyRingo Mar 2014 #227
I wholeheartedly agree. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #232
"And what sort of person is allowed to be president?" polichick Mar 2014 #236
damned right! n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #244
Wow, this will piss off the Obamabots. n-t Logical Mar 2014 #251
You know what really pisses off "Obamabots"? Right wing trolls. cheapdate Apr 2014 #279
Looks like it worked! Rex Apr 2014 #280
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