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JackRiddler

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51. Penn State: great example.

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 05:57 PM

Mar 2014

As we know, Sandusky had been given decades of protection by other PSU staff who knew what he was doing, which is a hair-raising indicator of the relative value of children's bodies as against the all-important football culture. But when, finally, the responsible Joe Paterno was asked to retire, it prompted riots by hundreds of rowdy, threatening students who overturned a cop van. When this, of all things, is what stirs up student protests, then yeah, there's a serious culture problem at the place. It's about more than rape, clearly, but by making rape into an irrelevancy and Joe Paterno's career into a priority, it is very definitely a culture that fosters rape.

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Is "rape culture" responsible for child rape, incest and pedophilia? [View all] NoOneMan Mar 2014 OP

In part. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #1

Why are you assuming all child rapists do not consider their actions taboo? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #6

I'm not. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #12

Your first sentence NoOneMan Mar 2014 #15

Ok, I'll attach a caveat for you. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #20

And I accept that NoOneMan Mar 2014 #31

Maybe when you've been here for more than a couple of weeks we'll all be able to discern ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #34

Laugh. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #39

lol Whisp Mar 2014 #68

Not in any posts I've read. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #84

My problem with these "culture" OP's CANDO Mar 2014 #23

Culture has little to do with 'accusation'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #35

Penn State: great example. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #51

Well said! GP6971 Mar 2014 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author CANDO Mar 2014 #225

Cherry picker CANDO Mar 2014 #230

The protest demonstrated the priorities. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #243

Who made you master of the universe? CANDO Mar 2014 #246

The people in question showed their priorities. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #247

Try here... uppityperson Mar 2014 #2

I'm not sure that has anything to do with child rape and incest NoOneMan Mar 2014 #9

That's a combination of a number of things. PDJane Mar 2014 #3

you are right on. and it is really this simple. it will take us a long ways. i guarantee. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #17

Good luck teaching young men anything. CFLDem Mar 2014 #45

and there are many many that are like tons more insightful and would find your shallow seabeyond Mar 2014 #52

And they are all considered dorks by their peers. CFLDem Mar 2014 #53

really? firstly, most dont really care. they are not so awfully impressed with young men like you. seabeyond Mar 2014 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author CFLDem Mar 2014 #62

16? 18? so, no, you are not out of highschool. i really did not know i was wasting my time seabeyond Mar 2014 #70

They are considered normal NoOneMan Mar 2014 #76

You must hang out with some pieces of shit joeglow3 Mar 2014 #108

Yeah, men who care whether their sexual partners are consenting or not, are just uncool losers... nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #188

Did you read what you said "Good luck teaching young men anything" about? gollygee Mar 2014 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author CFLDem Mar 2014 #59

It sounds like you think young men are naturally rapists. gollygee Mar 2014 #63

out of control libido, sounds like rape justification, not even rape apology. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #67

Well at least gollygee Mar 2014 #73

there you go. but then, we have had many, lol, in this very short time. and ya. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #74

YOu have just said that young men can't be taught not to force themselves Squinch Mar 2014 #66

then he says, the young men that can, are dorks... and his like make sure they let them know seabeyond Mar 2014 #69

Edited. nt. CFLDem Mar 2014 #72

So I guess you can teach young men your age something after all. cui bono Mar 2014 #236

These stupid "every rape is the fault of every male" threads devolve quickly and inexorably Doctor_J Mar 2014 #98

especially since NO ONE said that. gotta make up arguments? seabeyond Mar 2014 #101

Well, let's have a sampling of quotes from THIS thread Doctor_J Mar 2014 #125

omg.... you are with me dude. i am all over the young guy that is dissing men right and left seabeyond Mar 2014 #128

Should we conclude from your post that you do not consider women to be part of our Squinch Mar 2014 #104

That came from CFLDem, not me gollygee Mar 2014 #120

The only people I hear saying that or interpreting it like that are men. cui bono Mar 2014 #237

There is a term called "respect" GP6971 Mar 2014 #87

Respect is earned CFLDem Mar 2014 #90

True, but respect GP6971 Mar 2014 #95

I respect my elders. CFLDem Mar 2014 #96

Or they forgot to zip their fly!! GP6971 Mar 2014 #102

What does a woman need to do to "earn" the respect to not be sexually objectified and/or assaulted? antigone382 Mar 2014 #164

It isn't always punished severely gollygee Mar 2014 #4

As was noted in another thread, there seems to be an Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #16

This isn't about the 99% vs the 1% gollygee Mar 2014 #57

'The fish rots from the head'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #82

I say you're a ... GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #5

You should also note that a duPont heir got raped. Zenlitened Mar 2014 #7

Huh? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #10

Does rape culture exist? Yes or no. -n/t Zenlitened Mar 2014 #22

Sure. Does it have fuck all to do with incest and pedophilia? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #25

You seem upset. There's no need to swear at me. Zenlitened Mar 2014 #29

So yes or no, is "rape culture" about promoting/accepting incest and pedophilia? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #32

Do you consider incest and pedophilia to be rape? Zenlitened Mar 2014 #36

"And, yes, they too often are accepted/excused/hushed up/explained away." NoOneMan Mar 2014 #43

You don't seem to understand that something can be taboo, even against the law... Zenlitened Mar 2014 #48

So society is hush hush pro-child rape and pro-child incest? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #50

Do you think that incest is a rare crime? Because it isn't and the estimates are Squinch Mar 2014 #118

Some people need to lay off the dualistic thinking. And I don't mean you. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #192

Actually, after a long conversation, I realized that he has no trouble understanding that Squinch Mar 2014 #198

Agreed. n/t nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #201

How about Sandusky? Do we have a culture that created a situation Squinch Mar 2014 #97

I think PSU may have NoOneMan Mar 2014 #100

Maybe child rape will stop if we do something to stop it. But we have a culture that is not Squinch Mar 2014 #113

Our culture is very interested in stopping incest and child rape NoOneMan Mar 2014 #129

How about the people Texasgal Mar 2014 #132

Of course it happens. Not 100% of ALL criminals of EVERY crime see time NoOneMan Mar 2014 #134

Well, I never said that Texasgal Mar 2014 #135

There are plenty of exceptions to the rule in a large country NoOneMan Mar 2014 #137

I don't think that any number of people committing child rape and not being prosecuted will convince Squinch Mar 2014 #145

Thanks you for actually providing something other than an opinion or a wild claim NoOneMan Mar 2014 #147

You do know that your arguments can also be characterized as opinion or wild claims, right? Squinch Mar 2014 #150

I didn't make the original claim. I have no burden of proof NoOneMan Mar 2014 #153

I am thinking of at least two DuPonts who have gone to jail relatively recently for murder. Squinch Mar 2014 #159

It's connected, at least, by the idea that it's okay to exploit/victimize others. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #189

Aren't all crimes about exploiting and victimizing others? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #190

Yes and yes. I'm no doctrinaire Marxist, but I can't help but see rape as, in part, an example of nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #195

Intersectionality of privilege and class hurt her. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #26

Sheer brute violence... plus a judicial culture willing to explain away rape. -n/t Zenlitened Mar 2014 #30

It certainly is a component n/t etherealtruth Mar 2014 #8

Those "broad brush" OP's CANDO Mar 2014 #11

when the victims character is questioned more than the perpetrator's character La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #13

Simplistic dualism. Some people seem addicted to it. n/t nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #199

Violent narcissistic penis worship. defacto7 Mar 2014 #14

Humans without penises can rape too NoOneMan Mar 2014 #19

Understood. defacto7 Mar 2014 #47

I think "violent" and "narcissistic" are the key words there. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #200

What do I say? Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #18

That I'd agree with. n/t Zenlitened Mar 2014 #21

So the Du Pont guy being a incestuous pedophile is due to "rape culture", or his getting off? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #24

uppityperson gave you the answer... You choose to play ignorant... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #28

They gave me a link to a flamebait thread NoOneMan Mar 2014 #33

Define irony... "They gave me a link to a flamebait thread" Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #37

I'm asking a real question here NoOneMan Mar 2014 #49

No... No, you are not Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #61

Despite your claims, please understand I didn't start this NoOneMan Mar 2014 #64

"My mind is boggled"... On that we can agree - nt Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #77

Why is it so hard to understand that sexual abuse/violence in general is ultimately connected nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #202

Why is it so easy for you to think its all connected? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #203

I think it is just that they are blinded by astonishingly infantile self-centeredness. Squinch Mar 2014 #123

Agreed... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #141

Maybe its because this whole topic with a Du Pont heir as example is fucking silliness NoOneMan Mar 2014 #152

A man rapes a 3 year old and gets off because incarceration would be uncomfortable for him. Squinch Mar 2014 #156

Plenty of rich get off for murder NoOneMan Mar 2014 #158

But apparently not DuPonts. Squinch Mar 2014 #160

In part. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #27

See this post on that thread for my response. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #38

I appreciate your response NoOneMan Mar 2014 #40

You can't diagnose a paraphilia based on behavior alone-- Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #75

Gotcha NoOneMan Mar 2014 #78

How does child molestation, an act of pedophilia, not indicate pedophilia? Squinch Mar 2014 #130

Does this help?: Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #149

This one looks more like money culture to me. rrneck Mar 2014 #41

"Affluenza" is all that is davidn3600 Mar 2014 #42

Um, I think... Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #44

As a critic of the whole "rape culture" craze, I think this is well said derby378 Mar 2014 #60

Oh, absolutely Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #93

Maybe it "generates more heat than light" because some insist on taking everything personally nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #213

So your response to me observing that a phrase triggers antagonism Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #235

I have zero sympathy for men who whine about "male bashing" nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #238

As I said, more heat than light Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #242

Yeah, that was over the top. I do get too emotional on here from time to time. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #245

No CFLDem Mar 2014 #46

Bullshit. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #54

So that's generally the root of my question NoOneMan Mar 2014 #58

The U.S. is a big place. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #65

Absolutely NoOneMan Mar 2014 #71

The culture at large? JackRiddler Mar 2014 #172

And of course, condoning prison rape undermines the struggle against all sexual violence. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #217

I have no clue how it comes to be. CFLDem Mar 2014 #244

Even if the crime itself isn't (entirely) controllable, the collective societal response to it is. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #216

This is horseshit. Nothing about internal urges that can't be handled by eridani Mar 2014 #241

What Rape Culture -IS- responsible for = Minimizing the effects that those actions Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #80

So does our culture think that the rape of a 3 year old is "Just Not That Big of A Deal"? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #81

Do you think the man's punishment fit the crime or not? Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #83

I think there may have been other reasons the Du Pont heir got a slap on the wrist NoOneMan Mar 2014 #103

Do you understand that Rape Culture is a contributing factor in all this? Do you understand Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #110

No, I don't understand that at all NoOneMan Mar 2014 #124

you might want to edit your last sentence for comprehension. Peace Out. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #127

Not entirely Spirochete Mar 2014 #85

It's all rooted in the idea that the stronger has the right to exploit the weaker. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #218

My thoughts exactly Spirochete Mar 2014 #219

"To them it's not what's right or wrong, but what they can get away with." nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #221

No. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #86

Exactly. The collective response to sex crimes is more indicative of cultural attitudes than such nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #220

Arrested development of child rapists HockeyMom Mar 2014 #88

THIS nt redqueen Mar 2014 #92

How's this working out for you? Tsiyu Mar 2014 #89

Fine. At least I'm not playing a game NoOneMan Mar 2014 #105

If we allow a man to rape a three year old Tsiyu Mar 2014 #112

But we don't. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #115

I'd really like to continue your thoughts on the Catholic Priests Texasgal Mar 2014 #91

So because the church heirarchy of a minority religion protected the priests, the US has a NoOneMan Mar 2014 #106

Catholics were not a minority 30 years ago. Texasgal Mar 2014 #116

"lot's of people left the church because of this scandal and rightly so. " NoOneMan Mar 2014 #121

The problem is that alot of people Texasgal Mar 2014 #126

Why, in a pro-child-rape society, are so many child-rape cases prosecuted with people jailed? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #139

Why do do many keep victimizing for years Texasgal Mar 2014 #146

Is it because Johnny Beat Cop encourages it? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #148

Not a good answer. Texasgal Mar 2014 #151

Its a fine answer NoOneMan Mar 2014 #154

The laws are the problem!! Texasgal Mar 2014 #155

Its illegal by law. People are thrown in jail for it. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #157

Why are you not outraged Texasgal Mar 2014 #162

Why are you suggesting I'm not outraged this rich fuck got off? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #165

because they look the other way too often, give up because it is difficult to get an arrest. bettyellen Mar 2014 #207

You need to abandon this "either/or" way of thinking. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #223

Who is looking away? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #224

And you really believe this is the only time something like this has happened? nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #228

I think in a country of 300 million, no. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #231

Even if we acknowledge that attitudes toward rape often *are* overly permissive, how does that nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #233

What? A news story isn't about me. This isn't a personal discussion NoOneMan Mar 2014 #239

Why are so many not prosecuted and so few people jailed for such short sentences? Squinch Mar 2014 #161

Good question. Texasgal Mar 2014 #163

Why are people prosecuted at all if we support/forgive/promote child rape as a whole? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #166

Oh dear GOD! Texasgal Mar 2014 #171

Well lets see some opinion polls NoOneMan Mar 2014 #176

Why is this so hard for you to understand? Texasgal Mar 2014 #194

Why do you keep pretending I'm not outraged NoOneMan Mar 2014 #196

UGH! Texasgal Mar 2014 #197

I'm sorry for you. This is idiotic. Squinch Mar 2014 #175

I'm sorry you believe you live in a world where we are pro-child-rape NoOneMan Mar 2014 #179

Idiotic. Squinch Mar 2014 #183

I agree, the idea that we have a "child rape culture" is absurd and idiotic NoOneMan Mar 2014 #184

I see you are reduced to the old, "I know you are but what am I" gambit? How unfortunate for you. Squinch Mar 2014 #185

So questiong the absurd notion of a "child rape culture" is disrupting NoOneMan Mar 2014 #186

if rape culture includes the idea that men can't control their own dicks then yes elehhhhna Mar 2014 #94

I don't think thats included in "rape culture" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #107

ya. that would be the promoted evo psych that some want to create as a legitimate science. though, seabeyond Mar 2014 #111

uh, yeah. duh. elehhhhna Apr 2014 #248

When a judge decides... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #99

"that would be an example of "rape culture"." NoOneMan Mar 2014 #109

"only occurs when the perpetrator is rich as almighty fuck." wrong. you are not listening. it is seabeyond Mar 2014 #114

Bahhh. Bullshit NoOneMan Mar 2014 #117

well then. i guess you made clear to everyone, you really do not want to hear. bah, my ass.... nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #119

There is nothing to hear NoOneMan Mar 2014 #122

stuebenville, missouri, calif, connecticut, canada.... then there is the individual judges seabeyond Mar 2014 #131

Exceptions, exceptions, exceptions NoOneMan Mar 2014 #133

A plenty are NOT. Texasgal Mar 2014 #136

wow. basically your Op was a bullshit game. what a fuggin waste of time. not surprised though. seabeyond Mar 2014 #140

When a incestuous Du Pont heir is used as a lighting rod for "rape culture"... NoOneMan Mar 2014 #142

you say only the rich. it is proven not only the rich and you back pedal. your argument is a fail seabeyond Mar 2014 #143

Nothing is proven NoOneMan Mar 2014 #144

And why are you so invested in believing that there isn't a serious problem here? nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #227

For a culture that "dictates that it is not acceptable to victimize children" thucythucy Mar 2014 #169

Children not being believed, traumatized all over. boston bean Mar 2014 #173

There is an awful lot of all sorts of crimes occurring all the time NoOneMan Mar 2014 #174

Which tells you what? thucythucy Mar 2014 #208

Which tells we dont need a culture to promote crimes in order for them to exist NoOneMan Mar 2014 #209

Culture pervades everything we do-- thucythucy Mar 2014 #210

So we have a dog rape culture too? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #211

And no, I don't think you're interested in discussion. thucythucy Mar 2014 #212

I just posted a link to an article about a dog rape NoOneMan Mar 2014 #214

Yes, it only happens for the rich... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #138

One name boston bean Mar 2014 #167

You mean the rich famous guy? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #168

I am talking about the defense of that puke, here on DU boston bean Mar 2014 #170

Im not arguing against the existence of rape culture NoOneMan Mar 2014 #180

You are being obtuse. boston bean Mar 2014 #181

You've made a strawman NoOneMan Mar 2014 #182

You don't think this happens to victims of the middle class, the poor? boston bean Mar 2014 #187

I think that as a general trend, we aint to keen on child rapists NoOneMan Mar 2014 #191

You have a very very limited view of what victims face boston bean Mar 2014 #193

If we aren't keen on child rape, maybe there isn't a child rape culture NoOneMan Mar 2014 #204

Because someone doesn't condone molestation, incest, rape boston bean Mar 2014 #205

And just because its not always easy to prosecute, doesn't mean there is some cultural reason NoOneMan Mar 2014 #206

india has a rape culture Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #177

Even in India, men goto jail for raping 3-Year old children NoOneMan Mar 2014 #178

What you say is very likely true of the stereotypical "dragged into the bushes" sort of rapist. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #232

I dont think the mental illness of pedophilia has anything to do with rape culture anymore than stevenleser Mar 2014 #215

Yes, rape culture is a part of it. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #222

This isn't a yes or no question. Rape culture does not need to account for all rapes to be real. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #226

No, but Rape culture is to rapists as the Catholic Church was to pedophile priests... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #229

You've answered your own question in your OP. cui bono Mar 2014 #234

Or rich people aren't punished severely because they are rich NoOneMan Mar 2014 #240