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In reply to the discussion: Andrea Dworkin NEVER said "all sex is rape" [View all]nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)145. That last one is bizarre. As though an erection weren't a matter of simple biology, which it is.
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no, neither did. then again, anti feminists really do not let facts get in their way.
seabeyond
Mar 2014
#1
so penthouse put something dworkin said out of context to diss her? so surprised.
seabeyond
Mar 2014
#3
Under the context where penthouse was frightened of the influence of feminists and wanted
Squinch
Mar 2014
#63
And yet free internet porn destroyed penthouse's business model far more effectively than Dworkin
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2014
#111
"...because you think you remember reading something in Penthouse equates with absolute truth..."
Atman
Apr 2014
#256
Seriously? This is what you are going to the wall on? Penthouse's journalistic integrity?
Squinch
Mar 2014
#66
I'm honestly not sure what to think. I'm no great admirer of hers, but I don't entirely dismiss her
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#135
I agree completely with this post. Her ideas sure as hell didn't come from nowhere.
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#140
I think on that, you're right. Many of her most ardent allies felt she had lost touch with reality
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2014
#160
I haven't seen anybody saying she is a voice to be listened to, just defending her from the lies
cui bono
Apr 2014
#178
The only people I've seen bring her up initially are people arguing against feminist issues.
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#180
I've never read her and the fact that she is being villified and used as a tool
cui bono
Apr 2014
#184
She's a topic of this thread because someone else wrongly accused her in his OP
cui bono
Apr 2014
#183
Yes, but this thread is about her, specifically what she did or did not say.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2014
#186
I think it's only changed a little, unfortunately. I'm 29 and graduated high school in 2003.
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#272
I know exactly what you mean. Other men often frighten or intimidate me without even consciously
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#294
Good for you. Everyone needs to deal with this in their own way, and your way is at least
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#297
yes. i have heard of that. and yes, that was what i was told to particularly read. excellent
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#234
If there are conservatives who agree with me that the 1st Amendment is important
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2014
#265
I've said at least 3 times in this thread, I felt that bringing Dworkin up in the context of those
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2014
#268
as someone who has been on the recieving end of penatrive intercourse and who is male
dsc
Mar 2014
#89
I think that Dworkin was using "violent" differently than what many are imagining.
Maedhros
Mar 2014
#101
Do you get that the problem there wasn't Bain responding to you, but your insistence on something
Squinch
Mar 2014
#72
I get the problem is that Bain constantly twists people's post into bullshit that was never said.
Atman
Mar 2014
#77
Making shit up, there, aren't you? Saying she said something that she never said, aren't you?
Squinch
Mar 2014
#87
Well, then, by all means, keep reading her posts closely and complaining about them!
Squinch
Mar 2014
#93
Given your insult laden salvo, it's too late to decide it's not going to be insult laden.
Squinch
Mar 2014
#113
Given that you showed up out of the blue to join the conversation, it appears you do.
Squinch
Mar 2014
#118
We don't even get a chance to miss them and then *poof* they're back again.
Sheldon Cooper
Mar 2014
#126
so what if she did? does she represent all feminists. is she even that imp in the feminist movement?
La Lioness Priyanka
Mar 2014
#10
some of us .... women, feel it is significant that only a couple decades ago, it was legal to RAPE
seabeyond
Mar 2014
#64
It's not as if these ideas, these "norms," just disappear within a generation or two.
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#141
legal rape. and then we wonder why rapists get confised. but hey.... do not be mentioning that
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#215
she does slightly in the beginning, but I'd look to her surviving partner John Stoltenberg
zazen
Mar 2014
#76
It says she disavowed it. Whether or not she uttered that precise combination of words is
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2014
#95
It's relevant if you want to talk about the philosophical gist of her work.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2014
#164
not true. there is a difference between rape, as you and others want to make it. and violent
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#170
yes. i do not think you can take what she actually said, and say it is the same as saying all sex
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#179
I've given several examples of things she actually DID say, and they're all over the map.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2014
#181
Here's the thing. First off, I believe the specific quote we're discussing comes from "Our Blood".
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2014
#235
Well, to make a claim of understanding of an author's "general tenets" implies more
Maedhros
Apr 2014
#285
It's not limited sources. That's a fairly extensive excerpt, and its by no means the only bit I'm
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2014
#286
That last one is bizarre. As though an erection weren't a matter of simple biology, which it is.
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#145
with so little there, we are all clueless what she was saying. it is worthless to
seabeyond
Mar 2014
#152
She should not be held as the 'gold standard' for if today we have a rape culture in America.
Rex
Mar 2014
#122
weird--I reread the posts (including mine) on Dworkin's memorial tribute wall on Sunday
zazen
Mar 2014
#80
Nobody but the insane and the GOP get their own version of facts and reality
Major Nikon
Apr 2014
#298
So were the Marquis de Sade, Nietzsche, and (arguably) Hunter S. Thompson.
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#147
you mean "implied," not inferred, and your grammatically incorrect insult to her memory is pathetic
zazen
Mar 2014
#103
So what did she mean about penetrative sex being "immune to reform?"
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2014
#107
I don't have that book, but you could start with reading works by her ex-partner John Stoltenberg
zazen
Mar 2014
#114
Stoltenberg identifies as Gay, and they repeatedly said no, they didn't have sex.
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2014
#119
If you google "Andrea Dworkin Our Blood", one of the first results is a pdf link.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2014
#233
Shame on you. You're not a proper democrat unless you assist with rehabilitating her reputation.
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2014
#173
ha ha. ya. a while back SOME of the men liked getting a most unappealing picture to
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#172
The mere act of sexual intercourse can mean many different things to different people.
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#165
I think it's a good question to ask, in general - are any of us truly "free" to make choices?
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#168
But anyone who objects to any of this is just a "feminazi" (per MRA-speak).
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#190
Their claim is that coitus under the patriarchy is harmful and not fully consensual
Major Nikon
Apr 2014
#201
this quote in the 70's when it was legal for a husband to rape a wife, kinda is their point.
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#203
read lyric above. i am not wasting any more time with discussion. that a husband is legally
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#209
i have been doing you so long, we know each others steps. now, intercourse.....
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#214
So you are convinced I'm wrong about a subject you are ignorant by your own admission
Major Nikon
Apr 2014
#218
i know you are wrong cause you discount the time she was addressing, you have to change her words
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#220
no. i clearly expressed three reasons you were wrong. and lookie, you HAD to change my words... lol
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#223
Funny, I'm not reminded of the condition of slaves in the US when I think of Dworkin.
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2014
#240
Thanks for posting this. I always saw the way Dworkin's "quote" was twisted
thucythucy
Apr 2014
#232