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41. None Of Which Excludes Nader As A Major Factor In The Outcome, Sir

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Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:21 PM

Apr 2014

The wriggles on the subject by his partisans are entertaining at times, but carry no weight. The reason they do not is that the sort of ruses and cheats cited were more or less normal things, that can be found in many elections where partisan officials superintend: Nader was the abnormal factor, the thing that made it different, for it is not normal to have a third party candidate running on the left who enjoys national name recognition, and who concentrates his fire on the Democratic Party candidate, and focuses his efforts on closely contested states. There is no way to avoid the fact that Nader, and his partisans and those he duped, bear a heavy responsibility for the outcome of the election in 2000, and a great share of responsibility for the harm to the country and the world that outcome resulted in.

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Because America Needs an Electoral Left: Why Bernie Sanders Should Enter the Presidential Primaries [View all] xchrom Apr 2014 OP

K&R 99Forever Apr 2014 #1

I Agree, Sir: His Entry In The Primary Would Be A Very Good Thing The Magistrate Apr 2014 #2

he should run in the general too srican69 Apr 2014 #9

If He Does Not Get The Party's Nomination, Sir, He Absolutely Should Not Do That The Magistrate Apr 2014 #10

If we had instant runoff voting the specter of a puke president would not be an issue srican69 Apr 2014 #12

But We Do Not, Sir, So the Golfer's Adage Applies: Play It as It Lays The Magistrate Apr 2014 #14

I agree. He should not, and will not, run as an independent candidate in the General. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #20

He can't do that. former9thward Apr 2014 #44

Right, he should just lay down and let the oligarchs walk all over him and us. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #57

He has already said he will not be a spoiler - if he loses the primary and then runs against Hillary jwirr Apr 2014 #15

Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #23

If he should enter the presidential primaries, would it be better for the nation for him Cal33 Apr 2014 #3

I agree el_bryanto Apr 2014 #4

I think they are saying that he only run in the Democratic primary, but not to "pose" as a Democrat cascadiance Apr 2014 #39

I think he should run, too. MineralMan Apr 2014 #5

Agreed. Sanders would make a great candidate and president. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #6

I'd like to see them both run...but Bernie probably has best chance to get KoKo Apr 2014 #19

We will never get a strong majority of common-sense liberals in Congress or a common-sense JDPriestly Apr 2014 #26

Oh..agree on that. We need both their voices out there speaking about our ideas.. KoKo Apr 2014 #38

I'm with you, JD brooklynboy49 Apr 2014 #25

If Sanders runs, he's got my vote. nt NorthCarolina Apr 2014 #7

It's Hillary's nomination if she wants it..... Trust Buster Apr 2014 #8

You Might Try Actually Reading The Article, sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #11

Yes, Sanders is probably too smart to try the Independent approach Trust Buster Apr 2014 #13

Nader did not give us Bush. blackspade Apr 2014 #16

Nader Was A Major Contributing Factor, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #21

Exactly right. Trust Buster Apr 2014 #27

if the votes had been counted accurately gore would of won questionseverything Apr 2014 #40

None Of Which Excludes Nader As A Major Factor In The Outcome, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #41

i am schocked you said this questionseverything Apr 2014 #42

Realities Have To Be Faced, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #43

unreal questionseverything Apr 2014 #45

Its a Knee Jerk reaction. bvar22 Apr 2014 #46

And The Theft, Sir, Was Greatly Assisted By Nader The Magistrate Apr 2014 #48

No, it was not Scootaloo Apr 2014 #51

Thank You For The Laugh, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #52

You have plenty such observers informing you about how wrong your argument is Scootaloo Apr 2014 #53

Note The Qualifying Adjevctives, Sir: 'Clear-Eyed' And 'Objective' The Magistrate Apr 2014 #55

did nader stop the counting of the votes? questionseverything Apr 2014 #54

Interesting, thanks dreamnightwind Apr 2014 #74

54000 purged voters and the butterfly ballot and Katherine Harris and progressoid Apr 2014 #49

And The Bag Of Chips Needed To Make All That Work, Sir, Was Nader The Magistrate Apr 2014 #50

Nadar is an easy target. progressoid Apr 2014 #59

And add "Democrats" like these to the mix. Fuddnik Apr 2014 #85

Your welcome to believe that, but It is all on SCOTUS.... blackspade Apr 2014 #63

nader was a contributing factor to be sure. 300,000+ registered dems that voted for bush in FL.. frylock Apr 2014 #75

he didn't give us bush singlehandedly, but he sure was one of several factors! dionysus Apr 2014 #65

Ah yes the scapegoat Nader whine. If you dont want that to happen again dont pray rhett o rick Apr 2014 #58

Your concern is noted. pffshht Apr 2014 #83

If Sanders ran, perhaps we would get someone who makes the case for the left mindwalker_i Apr 2014 #17

Bernie should run as a Dem. watoos Apr 2014 #18

I wish he would run as who he really is a Democratic Socialist Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #22

If he won't cut any deals with globalists as Obama did, they'll make sure he doesn't win primaries. ancianita Apr 2014 #24

You mean, if he ignores reality. Trust Buster Apr 2014 #28

No. You're right. The money that it takes to win will have to come from independent sources. ancianita Apr 2014 #30

Yes! He is the ONLY major lawmaker willing to NAME NAMES and to closeupready Apr 2014 #29

The power to reshape the Supreme Court bears no resemblance to "softball". Trust Buster Apr 2014 #32

"Softball" as in D and R candidates of the Corporate Party debating each other. closeupready Apr 2014 #33

Sanders has that luxury now. But, if he wishes to make a serious run... Trust Buster Apr 2014 #35

Go Bernie! nt Zorra Apr 2014 #31

His running would make the race 10 times more compelling, ginning up our voters interest Rowdyboy Apr 2014 #34

Our vote is technically irrelevant. Trust Buster Apr 2014 #36

I absolutely agree... SidDithers Apr 2014 #37

WTF, dirty socialist pig! joshcryer Apr 2014 #47

But, but, if Senator Sanders runs then the Third Way will have an excuse to whine about rhett o rick Apr 2014 #56

We thought Obama would be a shift to the Left and let's face it.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #60

We Need A True Progressive Major Party colsohlibgal Apr 2014 #61

President Sanders, Vice President Warren both fully backed/blessed by Bill and Hillary Clinton. chknltl Apr 2014 #62

Or Pres. Warren, Sec. of Defense Sanders erronis Apr 2014 #69

i say go for it, i'd vote for him. dionysus Apr 2014 #64

K&R woo me with science Apr 2014 #66

He is left economically, but not socially ecstatic Apr 2014 #67

This is too funny...... Trust Buster Apr 2014 #68

About as likely allinthegame Apr 2014 #70

you are using the purity word, conservative talking point, don't be so blindied that pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #71

i'm all for it JI7 Apr 2014 #72

if democratic leadership doesn't want competition for ideas, if they won't represent liberals then pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #73

if Bernie runs as a dem, it will be interesting to see if the librul media tries to Kucinich him.. frylock Apr 2014 #76

Or Dean him, since he is from the same state. nt adirondacker Apr 2014 #77

What happened to Dean, anyway? pffshht Apr 2014 #84

Trolled by the Third Way. :/ adirondacker Apr 2014 #86

The Country DESPERATELY needs a viable, non-Corporate, Progressive, Left-of-center political Party blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #78

My question to those who know him better - Can he lead? Can he promote followship? aikoaiko Apr 2014 #79

Hmm, thats a good question BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #82

Love Sanders. nt Live and Learn Apr 2014 #80

Good points and all, but he still is not a Democrat Riftaxe Apr 2014 #81