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In reply to the discussion: Greenwald Lashes Back At Critics Who Call Snowden A Russian Propagandist [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)95. VF has a new article out that we have to buy to read.
That said, someone who read the article has this take-away from it--it is a bit convoluted but here is the juicy paragraph...that Snowden was being "run" by the journalists, not that the journalists were receiving info from Eddie:
Again, it's my belief that this is part of a construction of the narrative to exonerate journalists from any charges that they gave him assignments -- and therefore they could look guilty of complicity in espionage, instead of being able to endlessly hide behind the Supreme Court protections for journalists who report on stolen classified documents...It's my belief that Snowden was guided in viewing this FISA document as "the most important" by the lawyer-blogger Greenwald and the others; at any event, even if he had some grasp of these issues before, he has never told the story this way.
And that he is only now telling the story this way is patently obvious, because the copy-pasters at Vanity Fair tell this story differently than Luke Harding, even though they copy Luke elsewhere (instead of Greenwald himself, for example, going with Harding's dates for their first real-life meetings, and not Greenwald's changing versions of the dates.)
When I see the dates "April 29th" and "expire July 19th," I also wonder if this gave impetus to Snowden to flee, or whether he was advised by the others that having the document "hot" while it was still in effect would be far more effective than exposing it after it expired and the NSA could always say it was only in the past and they wouldn't do it again. Snowden safely fled and on 16 July, the Russian government accepted his application for asylum. (That still wasn't getting formally the grant of asylum, but since none other than Putin himself had offered Snowden to apply for asylum in Russia on June 11, it was a done deal.)
Not everyone will be persuaded that this is a find, but you'll have to agree that whenever the stories are told differently, or suddenly something new is injected into the Snowden narrative, there are reasons and we should pay attention. Can you think of a better reason as to why Snowden is suddenly claiming he's the one who thought of, found, and retrieved the fresh April 29th FISA court order -- when he's never mentioned this before?
And that he is only now telling the story this way is patently obvious, because the copy-pasters at Vanity Fair tell this story differently than Luke Harding, even though they copy Luke elsewhere (instead of Greenwald himself, for example, going with Harding's dates for their first real-life meetings, and not Greenwald's changing versions of the dates.)
When I see the dates "April 29th" and "expire July 19th," I also wonder if this gave impetus to Snowden to flee, or whether he was advised by the others that having the document "hot" while it was still in effect would be far more effective than exposing it after it expired and the NSA could always say it was only in the past and they wouldn't do it again. Snowden safely fled and on 16 July, the Russian government accepted his application for asylum. (That still wasn't getting formally the grant of asylum, but since none other than Putin himself had offered Snowden to apply for asylum in Russia on June 11, it was a done deal.)
Not everyone will be persuaded that this is a find, but you'll have to agree that whenever the stories are told differently, or suddenly something new is injected into the Snowden narrative, there are reasons and we should pay attention. Can you think of a better reason as to why Snowden is suddenly claiming he's the one who thought of, found, and retrieved the fresh April 29th FISA court order -- when he's never mentioned this before?
http://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2014/04/vanityfairnarrative.html
Just one opinion but as interesting as any, I'd say...
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Greenwald Lashes Back At Critics Who Call Snowden A Russian Propagandist [View all]
Capt. Obvious
Apr 2014
OP
I think this Due Out in March...No...APRIL!!! book is going to be interesting, if he can ever make
MADem
Apr 2014
#61
Looks like you are a small minority. Greenwald has a Pulitzer Prize for his work. He started out as
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#103
Don't know much about him, do you? By 'like the rest of us' I was referring to the fact that he
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#107
The point is his wiki is dishonest. The info is false. Not true. Whopper royale.
ucrdem
Apr 2014
#117
It means that there are a number of people who ridicule and criticize Snowden because Snowden
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#102
I think the question put Putin on the spot. I think Putin lied big time, and everyone in the
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#135
Absolutely. That is why Snowden asked this question. He put Putin on the spot.
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#134
He didn't put Putin on the spot. He played slavish dog to Putin's prancing pony, in a propaganda
MADem
Apr 2014
#137
Yes. I too have good news sources, read languages and, when i am able, foreign newspapers.
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#142
Putin is a conceited jerk. Snowden is no fool. He knows that. But Snowden is clever.
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#144
not even with your 'splaination (of sorts), I still don't understand what the hell GG means.
Whisp
Apr 2014
#82
Critics have harped on Snowden (and Greenwald) for not criticizing Russian surveillance
Maedhros
Apr 2014
#5
Pootie's probably paying Julian's "rent" since the donations to Wikileaks dried up.
MADem
Apr 2014
#98
It sounds like it means "Shit, shit....he's doing stuff that is outside my control, he lied to me,
MADem
Apr 2014
#14
I don't know what the "real hoo hah" is with that guy, but I don't believe his cover story.
MADem
Apr 2014
#97
MADem, did you actually READ the TPM article on Putin/Snowden's tv appearances?
Number23
Apr 2014
#108
I guess the "I'm just a sysadmin who saw stuff I didn't like" schtick won't play anymore.
MADem
Apr 2014
#110
It's greenwald doing his usual deflecting schtick.. hoping no one will notice what a tool
Cha
Apr 2014
#75
Could this be because Greenwald is working for that guy who supported the Ukranians?
MADem
Apr 2014
#11
I think maybe he doesn't have a bunch of stuff and the Russians are trying to get something useful
arely staircase
Apr 2014
#29
Yeah, and Snowden, with this latest stunt, put that prize where the sun don't shine, as well.
MADem
Apr 2014
#30
lol, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...Should we just avert our eyes?
tritsofme
Apr 2014
#39
Snowden and Greenwald make it about them.. nobody does that for them. And, your attempt to
Cha
Apr 2014
#78
a few twists of fate and they'd be saying he was a Hong Konger agent from the get-go
MisterP
Apr 2014
#57
I see snowden/greenwald fans are trying to persuade one and all to move along.. nothing to
Cha
Apr 2014
#85
"newly minted Pulitzer Prize winner," that's rich. Greenwald did not win a Pulitzer.
ucrdem
Apr 2014
#86
According to some on DU, SNOWDEN won the Pulitzer or was at least vindicated by the award
Number23
Apr 2014
#109
No; Greenwald is the author or co-author of most of the pieces cited
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2014
#145
Most Pulitzer prizes are awarded to individuals, and neither Greenwald or Snowden
ucrdem
Apr 2014
#151
Does anyone truthfully think GG wants Snowden to return to the US? Doubt it, if he is back in
Thinkingabout
Apr 2014
#89
Maybe you have tagged the scene. Don't think GG, Putin or Snowden will get an Oscar for their
Thinkingabout
Apr 2014
#130
Greenwald to fans: "Are you going to believe me and Snowden or your lying eyes and ears?"
stevenleser
Apr 2014
#136