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muriel_volestrangler

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52. yes, because far more Lab/Lib Dems think they're good for society, and far fewer think they're bad

Wed Apr 23, 2014, 05:56 AM

Apr 2014

% WHO SAY GOOD/% WHO SAY BAD
Con 42/35
UKIP 37/36

LABOR 54/14
LIB/DEM 57/17

Furthest right is UKIP - there, the difference is +1 for 'good'
Next right is the Conservatives = +6 for 'good'
You can argue about which is more centrist and which more left for Labour and Lib Dem - Lib Dem tends to be more left for civil liberties, Labour more left for economics. But both are +30 for 'good', in this case.

So the headline of "Conservatives significantly more likely than liberals to hate Snowden's leaks" is completely accurate. Whether you look at the difference between 'good' and 'bad', or just at the level for 'bad', it's true. Your problem was that you looked at the conservative figure, and didn't look at the liberal one.

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UK poll: Conservatives significantly more likely than liberals to hate Snowden's leaks [View all] Otelo Apr 2014 OP

Matches the DU thinking on the issue Doctor_J Apr 2014 #1

Yep, same in the US. Right Wingers far more likely to hate Whistle Blowers and Journalists who sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #35

I disagree with this. dilby Apr 2014 #2

Are you sure you are not refering to NeoLiberals that are basically Conservatives Dragonfli Apr 2014 #4

Not liberals, they are Third Way/DLC which have infiltrated the Dem Party for a couple of decades sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #36

Similar results were shown in a DU poll here where 92% of those that responded Dragonfli Apr 2014 #3

A DU poll is indicative of nothing. randome Apr 2014 #6

True, most of the visceral hatred of whistle blowing does appear to be on the internet Dragonfli Apr 2014 #7

'Hatred'. Hah! randome Apr 2014 #9

What did Jon have to say about it, randome? Cha Apr 2014 #10

When he was discussing Putin's truthworthiness. randome Apr 2014 #14

Thank you, randome.. how could he pass that up?.. it practically writes itself. Cha Apr 2014 #17

And as an aside: Gina McCarthy, Stewart's guest, EPA Administrator... randome Apr 2014 #19

Great.. Happy Earth Day! Cha Apr 2014 #21

I didn't mention you did I? why did you respond as if I did? Defensive much /nt Dragonfli Apr 2014 #13

I don't deal with 'defensive' when I truly don't care if I'm right or wrong. randome Apr 2014 #16

Please, don't read tea leaves, read what I write, I have enough trouble Dragonfli Apr 2014 #18

Fair enough. randome Apr 2014 #20

"Fucked enough". Aerows Apr 2014 #24

If one walks like a conservative and talks like a conservatives and hates whistle-blowers rhett o rick Apr 2014 #49

You flatter yourself often. nt grasswire Apr 2014 #43

You must not get out very much. I have to totally disagree with you having travelled across the sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #38

Of course. Conservatives worship authority. Whenever anything, or anyone, challenges their beloved Zorra Apr 2014 #5

Even Jon Stewart mocked Snowden last night. randome Apr 2014 #8

it says more about politics in the UK than anything else JI7 Apr 2014 #11

You can choose to give away YOUR rights, but don't think most of the American people are going to sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #40

Of course you would! Lol! sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #39

Stewart's a comedian. He mocks everyone. SwankyXomb Apr 2014 #51

As usual, the conservatives are just tiny group of obnoxious loudmouths Marr Apr 2014 #12

Agreed /nt Dragonfli Apr 2014 #15

Are you sure your headline matches your info? Number23 Apr 2014 #22

Yes. Therein lies my confusion about what this OP was insinuating. randome Apr 2014 #25

I'm not sure either Number23 Apr 2014 #26

The tactic I take is this: randome Apr 2014 #27

yes, because far more Lab/Lib Dems think they're good for society, and far fewer think they're bad muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #52

Well, I guess if you want to say that barely 10% is a "significant" difference then your post makes Number23 Apr 2014 #61

There is no figure there that is 'barely 10%' muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #63

From your own post Number23 Apr 2014 #64

You complained the thread title wasn't backed up by the figures muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #66

The fact that you consider ""Are you sure your headline matches your info?" to be complaining Number23 Apr 2014 #68

I'm not angry; I'm trying to teach you basic math comprehension muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #70

I never said that everyone else was wrong. You are so gunning for a purposeless fight that you are Number23 Apr 2014 #71

No, educating you is not purposeless. muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #72

Asking a question is not making a mistake and you have not "educated" me on one damned thing Number23 Apr 2014 #73

Those that love specific politicians Aerows Apr 2014 #23

the Tiger Beat crowd Skittles Apr 2014 #28

The only two people who are worshipped around here are Snowden and Greenwald. stevenleser Apr 2014 #32

You know exactly whom Skittles is talking about Aerows Apr 2014 #33

And I know how wrong you and she are about this. Two weeks before Snowden's releases Obama stevenleser Apr 2014 #34

You have been wrong about this from the very beginning Aerows Apr 2014 #37

I have been right from day one. Snowden is a sophomoric fool with delusions of grandeur. stevenleser Apr 2014 #44

I'll wait Aerows Apr 2014 #46

That's laughable. Are you sure you linked to the right speech? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #53

I'm 100% certain. How did you manage to miss these parts? stevenleser Apr 2014 #59

Yeah, those are the bits about torture and detention muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #62

That's not even a nice try at spinning this away. You are simply wrong. Best option is to admit it. stevenleser Apr 2014 #65

It's times like this that I remember you threw away your credibility ages ago muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #67

Credibility with who? You? Thanks, I'll survive just fine without it. nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #74

that one is curiously enraged about something, steven. Best to let him sleep whatever it is off Number23 Apr 2014 #69

Amazing how they can deny what is written right in front of them and pretend it doesn't exist. stevenleser Apr 2014 #75

Apparently, you and I have the same brain dysfunction MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #76

So the posts in favor of whistle blowing are "worship", while the BOG posts are not? Doctor_J Apr 2014 #41

I will take you up on your challenge SwampG8r Apr 2014 #42

Don't change my words. Read my post again. "they all have disagreed with him on something" stevenleser Apr 2014 #45

way to weasel word out of what you posted SwampG8r Apr 2014 #54

Except Prosense responded and proved you wrong. I await your apology... nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #57

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #47

LOL! ProSense Apr 2014 #55

you must have put the wrong link in there SwampG8r Apr 2014 #56

She says she opposed Obamas choice for SOS and opposed Chained CPI. That is two examples. stevenleser Apr 2014 #60

nope SwampG8r Apr 2014 #78

They have disagreed with him on something, once? AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #48

Who specifically are you talking about? Prosense just responded about one situation. stevenleser Apr 2014 #58

OK - challenge taken LeftishBrit Apr 2014 #79

No doubt RobertEarl Apr 2014 #29

"The Wrath of Cons" then? GoneFishin Apr 2014 #31

Simple addition. GoneFishin Apr 2014 #30

Based on observation, I'd have to agree. Our numbers would be even more stark if TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #50

Meanwhile, back in the US: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #77