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RufusTFirefly

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23. Your post has a modicum of truth but is vastly over-simplified
Mon May 5, 2014, 01:32 PM
May 2014

The diversity of viewpoints was far greater back then than it is today. Far greater. These days we run the gamut of political extremes from A to B.

Roosevelt attempted to pass a law providing an income ceiling of $25,000. Instead he was forced to "compromise" and settle for a 90-plus percent top tax rate that persisted through the Eisenhower era. And we wonder why our infrastructure is crumbling and our public institutions are being starved to death.

There were a large number of Republicans who could legitimately call themselves progressives (in fact, the progressive party in Wisconsin was started by Republicans). Likewise, former Republican Fiorello LaGuardia, who was elected mayor of New York, ran as a "fusion" candidate and spoke at a huge gathering of socialists and labor leaders at Madison Square Garden.

Yet, when the NAACP pushed for an anti-lynching bill, FDR balked at endorsing it for fear of alienating the southern Democrats. And Roosevelt's internment of Japanese-Americans was an appalling miscarriage of justice. He was no saint.

Meanwhile, in New York on May Day 1934, throngs of Communists and Socialists, estimates ranged from 25,000 to 100,000 for the Communists and a slightly smaller number for the Socialists, marched through the streets of the Big Apple in distinctly separate demonstrations. (The two groups were bitter rivals.)

It's true that the Roosevelt who was elected in 1932 and the Roosevelt who introduced the New Deal and "welcomed the hatred" of bankers were markedly different leaders. But Roosevelt listened. He demonstrated a capacity to learn and respond. Instead of completely capitulating to threats and entreaties of small but powerful, vested interests, he addressed the angry, impatient, and desperate concerns of the grassroots while adroitly steering the country away from the shoals of political extremes on both the port and the starboard sides.

. . . Le Taz Hot May 2014 #1
The drift does not seem "marginal" or "slow" to this Old FDR Democrat. bvar22 May 2014 #12
Indeed! L0oniX May 2014 #18
Bingo. Well said. n/t Populist_Prole May 2014 #22
True words, I couldn't agree more and the rate of acceleration is increasing. A Simple Game May 2014 #60
Yep. Clinton was the best Republican President ever! n/t RoccoR5955 May 2014 #68
Yah NAFTA worked so well for us all. classykaren May 2014 #73
It's full speed ahead. No slow drift from my perspective. Enthusiast May 2014 #32
And it's one sure way to reinforce the opinions of those who think both parties are alike. calimary May 2014 #43
"....As the 2014 and 2016 elections approach,.. Segami May 2014 #2
"..Democrats should embrace the criticisms from activists.. Segami May 2014 #5
Agreed, dotymed May 2014 #69
"voting for a Democrat who will govern with the tolerant middle-class centric values" Maedhros May 2014 #24
Agreed, but how do we do that when even 90% of DUers are only concerned with the middle class? Dragonfli May 2014 #51
I think people should support what they support el_bryanto May 2014 #3
Attack policies, not people. [n/t] Maedhros May 2014 #25
OK, just who is it who decides? When was... TreasonousBastard May 2014 #4
"What could be accomplished by an internal war between our far left and our middle?" jtuck004 May 2014 #7
The Dem party is going to lose elections if they don't move to the left IMO. L0oniX May 2014 #17
Wow, you see the Republicans as victims of the fictional 'Tea Party' which is just a bunch of Bluenorthwest May 2014 #9
That is funny. Poor widdle TeaPubliKlans holding themselves hostage and TheKentuckian May 2014 #80
"Far Left". Ha. [n/t] Maedhros May 2014 #26
Aw wouldnt it be swell if our we could tell the enemy from the letter behind politician's names. rhett o rick May 2014 #50
LOL, there is no "far left" in the Democratic party, and what you call the middle is actually Dragonfli May 2014 #52
Here's where to get inspiration... Octafish May 2014 #6
^^ THIS ^^ +1 RufusTFirefly May 2014 #8
Yet the 1930s-40s counterparts to today's progressive movement wanted very little to do with FDR. wyldwolf May 2014 #10
Your post has a modicum of truth but is vastly over-simplified RufusTFirefly May 2014 #23
All I can say is the left of that day bellyached about FDR the way they do about Obama today (links) wyldwolf May 2014 #27
Today's "leftists" used to go by another name: the center RufusTFirefly May 2014 #34
I've heard that repeated here many times. I don't find it relevant to the discussion we're having wyldwolf May 2014 #35
I like to believe we can thank Eleanor for a lot of his growth. pangaia May 2014 #67
I'm inclined to agree. I'm a Roosevelt Democrat: Eleanor Roosevelt. n/t RufusTFirefly May 2014 #82
Me too. pangaia May 2014 #83
Change the subject much? Enthusiast May 2014 #30
It was a comment on post #8 which essentially states FDR is the model we should aim for. wyldwolf May 2014 #36
Democratic propaganda helped to win WWII Mondavi May 2014 #16
Welcome to DU, Mondavi! calimary May 2014 #45
Agree with you Mondavi May 2014 #66
I always thought that odd, too. freebrew May 2014 #72
Or - a willing tool in the beginning of the end of the USA. calimary May 2014 #77
" a willing tool in the beginning of the end of the USA." freebrew May 2014 #84
Hey, either way is correct! calimary May 2014 #85
thanks for that link heaven05 May 2014 #11
+1000 Segami May 2014 #19
The Roosevelt Institute's Facebook page: LongTomH May 2014 #29
It's an inspiring site. madfloridian May 2014 #33
I love that site. ProSense May 2014 #38
Why can't we all come together over Obama? L0oniX May 2014 #13
Wow! Thanks for the list MsLeopard May 2014 #14
A clear corporate agenda Mondavi May 2014 #21
Yep...but that will be too much truth for some. zeemike May 2014 #31
Wow, amazing post. nt Demo_Chris May 2014 #41
Here's another list ProSense May 2014 #48
Great! And don't forget all the Thanksgiving turkeys he's pardoned!! n/t RufusTFirefly May 2014 #53
Thanks for ProSense May 2014 #62
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT May 2014 #61
Think maybe I should apply for host of the BOG? L0oniX May 2014 #63
No... You Don't Look Good In Brown Nose... WillyT May 2014 #65
This goes without saying but as many have said over and over and over again critism isn't uponit7771 May 2014 #15
It was good to see this as a front page staff post at DKos. madfloridian May 2014 #20
We're on the FAST TRACK to turning today's Democratic Party into yesterday's Republican Party. Enthusiast May 2014 #28
The main "tenet" of the party, nowadays, is to "embrace" whatever tenet that will give it a win. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #37
^^ This. n/t winter is coming May 2014 #44
Dinos are welcome in hopes of them attracting repuke votes for the Dem side. FFS L0oniX May 2014 #49
No. It's time to treestar May 2014 #39
And when Democrats embrace Republican policies and practices progressoid May 2014 #42
The problem is teaching a party of pacifists to fight dickthegrouch May 2014 #40
YouTube link fix: Make7 May 2014 #46
I don't know if they mentioned re the Corporatism that has taken hold of the Dem Party going backa sabrina 1 May 2014 #47
+10000 nt antigop May 2014 #74
Highly recommend..thank you. Jefferson23 May 2014 #54
Yes! Attack now while we're at our weakest! randome May 2014 #55
Weakest? We were weakest in 2003. When we couldn't even stop the invasion of Iraq. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #59
How strong will we be if we deliberately look for negatives to attack? randome May 2014 #78
To be an "Opposition" Party, you have to, well, <<OPPOSE>> blkmusclmachine May 2014 #56
Worded differently perhaps, that case has been made by many of us stupidicus May 2014 #57
Make the umbrella big enough for everyone. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #58
K&R. I'm sure the Third Way sycophants will rec this thread. nt antigop May 2014 #64
Recommended democrank May 2014 #70
Now is not the time to point fingers. Hotler May 2014 #71
I refuse to support whinefests that hinder our election efforts. Paladin May 2014 #75
Which "pet causes" did you have in mind? YoungDemCA May 2014 #76
The responses in this thread are an indication. (nt) Paladin May 2014 #79
Anything other than propping up the corporate agenda. TheKentuckian May 2014 #81
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