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pampango

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22. Classic neo-con idea - the Vladimir W. al Assad strategy as employed in Grozny, Fallujah and Homs.
Wed May 7, 2014, 09:48 AM
May 2014

First make sure you have the tanks and planes and they don't. Second surround the city and seal it off. Then use your bombs and tanks from far away to reduce the city to rubble. (Some would say there is a risk of 'collateral damage', i.e. killing civilians, women and children, but you have to be tough to defeat the 'rebels' who are entrenched in the city. Can't let danger to civilians stand in your way. You start playing by the "rules" and you are weak and destined to lose. Besides the 'accidental' deaths of a lot of civilians sends a powerful 'message' to those who resist you. Just ask Vlad, George and Bashar.)

When the city is sufficiently 'softened up' send in your soldiers to do the block-by-block, house-by-house fighting against hopefully demoralized and weakened 'rebels' and the civilians that may be foolish enough to get in the way.

It is a classic neo-con battle strategy. You use your superior military power to defeat a weaker opponent; you and your country look "strong" and "respected" - not to be trifled with; battlefield success boosts your political popularity at home; you kill a lot of civilians (bad PR for a while but nobody pays attention for long) and destroy a lot of buildings and infrastructure (imagine the money to be made during reconstruction); not many of your guys get killed because you are blasting the city from miles away and high in the sky so there's relatively little political resistance back home.

The Kiev government has apparently done the first two, relatively easy, steps: they have the tanks and planes and the 'rebels' do not; they have surrounded the city and sealed it off. We shall see if they are really up for the next step - the big 'neo-con' step of unleashing the power of the tanks and planes on the 'rebels' in the city. So far Kiev has not shown the same level of 'determination' that Vlad, George and Bashar have shown in similar situations. That may change but I have my doubts.

putin's takeover is not going smoothly is it? nt msongs May 2014 #1
If Russia really wanted to "take over" eastern Ukraine . . . another_liberal May 2014 #2
Getting A Bit Jingo There, Eh, Sir? The Magistrate May 2014 #4
I keep thinking of this... greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #6
Excellent, Ma'am: Thank You The Magistrate May 2014 #7
You're welcome, Sir. greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #8
Don't get emotional, Magi . . . another_liberal May 2014 #15
Russia could certainly invade and occupy "New Russia" if it wished... Adrahil May 2014 #20
The Fact Is, Sir, You Relish The Prospect --- It Drips From Your Words The Magistrate May 2014 #21
Some would say... sendero May 2014 #32
... according to RT...nt SidDithers May 2014 #3
Bull puckies Duckhunter935 May 2014 #5
How about the Guardian: "Ukraine Forces Surround Slavyansk After Bloody Clashes" Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #13
So RT is caught in another lie Duckhunter935 May 2014 #14
Kiev's troops refusal to let anyone leave Slavyansk . . . another_liberal May 2014 #16
can you point to me that report? Duckhunter935 May 2014 #17
I just saw it on CNN. another_liberal May 2014 #19
Just did maddezmom May 2014 #24
Thanks Duckhunter935 May 2014 #30
Thanks for posting, points out the propaganda pushed by RT maddezmom May 2014 #23
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! n/t malaise May 2014 #27
Priorities nationalize the fed May 2014 #9
Well..some of us tried to tell folks. Nuland's Cookies and McCains Photo Op with KoKo May 2014 #11
did you happen to notice Duckhunter935 May 2014 #10
I have to admit, this does sound like bullhocky newthinking May 2014 #12
It's a still photograph. One can't tell if they're getting through or not. another_liberal May 2014 #18
That green car is obviously halfway through. joshcryer May 2014 #28
also the white car Duckhunter935 May 2014 #31
Yup, noticed that one after. joshcryer May 2014 #33
Classic neo-con idea - the Vladimir W. al Assad strategy as employed in Grozny, Fallujah and Homs. pampango May 2014 #22
RT reporter disagrees Bosonic May 2014 #25
Good news maddezmom May 2014 #26
I'll expect RT's retraction any time now. joshcryer May 2014 #29
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