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stevenleser

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72. And neither did, as two adults with full agency. Nor did either have a duty to do so.
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:41 PM
May 2014

At no point did Monica suggest she was in any way pressured into this. In fact, she indicated she initiated some pretty serious flirtation, i.e. lifting up her skirt when she passed by his desk. And I do not fault her for acting on her attraction at all.

But she is not a victim. She was not forced or coerced in any way.

Neither had a 'duty to say no'. That is not for either of us to say.

It's just the media spinning up gossip for busybodies that have nothing better to do than newthinking May 2014 #1
I think it is good she is taking responsibility applegrove May 2014 #2
Is that what she's doing? mattclearing May 2014 #5
It would be better if she'd tell reporters to fuck off Warpy May 2014 #28
I don't know why this name is out there again. Xyzse May 2014 #3
Fair question. It's because Monica is doing interviews with several media including Vanity Fair. stevenleser May 2014 #4
I see... Xyzse May 2014 #9
See my #13 below... stevenleser May 2014 #14
People pay attention to Beyonce lyrics? Xyzse May 2014 #15
''...so that it is out there.'' Octafish May 2014 #17
We already *KNOW* Monica's goddamned story Blue_Tires May 2014 #71
It's not "slut-shaming" to blame both of them equally for committing adultery. moriah May 2014 #6
I don't consider it justified. Someone else's marriage is not my business. stevenleser May 2014 #7
Plus a fucking thousand! Violet_Crumble May 2014 #10
It was with a President of the USA in a room off the oval office and because Clinton KoKo May 2014 #33
It could have been Colonel Mustard in the Conservatory with a candlestick. I don't care. stevenleser May 2014 #36
It certainly was our "beeswax" We citizens had to pay for the investigation in tax dollars KoKo May 2014 #42
That is the fault of the congress. nt stevenleser May 2014 #46
so clinton had zero culpability? frylock May 2014 #49
congress made him lie for almost a year? Whisp May 2014 #52
There should have been no investigation to begin with. No laws were broken. Even the... stevenleser May 2014 #53
You're probably right about that, but that investigation could have taken 5 minutes of time Whisp May 2014 #55
He didn't commit perjury. He lied in a DEPOSITION which ended up not being relevant to the case. To sabrina 1 May 2014 #94
Yeah, same reason we "have to pay" for Benghazi investigations. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #84
Actually, it was a cigar. Arugula Latte May 2014 #44
that is so not a mental image I want. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #83
Other people are using Lewinsky to slut-shame Bill and even Hillary. n/t pnwmom May 2014 #39
I'm pretty sure you can't slut shame a man. Whisp May 2014 #54
I went to the Urban Dictionary and elsewhere looking for the equivalent name pnwmom May 2014 #57
sure it can be used, but the difference in history between men and women and sex Whisp May 2014 #68
When the tea baggers go after Bill Clinton for his "relations" pnwmom May 2014 #73
So the ethics of a grown man abusing his authority are of no interest to you intaglio May 2014 #58
I don't buy that at all. stevenleser May 2014 #65
Yup and only one needed to say "No," intaglio May 2014 #67
And neither did, as two adults with full agency. Nor did either have a duty to do so. stevenleser May 2014 #72
I have said the Ms Lewinski appeared immature intaglio May 2014 #75
No where on the marriage certificate Sissyk May 2014 #21
Mis-read intaglio May 2014 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author stevenleser May 2014 #66
*Other* No I don't support shaming... but I also don't really care that much about this story. Agschmid May 2014 #8
If we at DU don't slut-shame her, then who will? Orrex May 2014 #11
No one had mentioned her in YEARS, why did she come back? NightWatcher May 2014 #12
I think she wants to have a life. Beyoncé just wrote a new song that contains a stevenleser May 2014 #13
About the song you mentioned... Waiting For Everyman May 2014 #32
It's even more of a cheap shot because she is friends with the Obama's.... KoKo May 2014 #35
Because you can't tell her when to speak Jemon May 2014 #19
Questioning motive and timing is not the same as telling her when to speak NightWatcher May 2014 #20
It is the way you are doing it. You do not offer any reasoning. Why is this timing suspect? What Bluenorthwest May 2014 #24
Nor is implying a motive the same thing as "Questioning motive and timing..." LanternWaste May 2014 #26
Would you like to prove that no one had mentioned her in years? Jemon May 2014 #23
That's not entirely accurate. MADem May 2014 #41
What are your examples of slut-shaming her? aikoaiko May 2014 #16
Bah. pipi_k May 2014 #18
"Slut-shaming" as it is applied to this situation is ridiculous. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #22
In relation to this question President Clinton's ethical failures are hugely important intaglio May 2014 #63
True, but the topic of an entirely different OP. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #90
Is it "slut-shaming" to say she's whoring for the media spotlight? Blue_Tires May 2014 #25
It's misogynistic and makes you look like an idiot intaglio May 2014 #64
"Whoring" YoungDemCA May 2014 #87
But an apt one... Blue_Tires May 2014 #89
No. NCTraveler May 2014 #27
How about slut-shaming Bill, for equal treatment? Common Sense Party May 2014 #29
loaded wording much? TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #30
Wow, what a stupid way to word the poll! nt Logical May 2014 #31
Sounds like a political move....by our Dem Political Ops... KoKo May 2014 #38
How do you feel about Obama's secret service agents being fired for hiring prostitutes? Whisp May 2014 #34
For starters, I don't think they should be slut shamed. When discussing military and Secret Service stevenleser May 2014 #45
The President is on the job 24/7 for the duration of his term. Whisp May 2014 #47
No, I don't buy that. stevenleser May 2014 #69
I'm not buying your goods either. But that's okay. n/t Whisp May 2014 #70
Who's "slut shaming?" I think that term's an asine one and I don't think that's what's happening. MADem May 2014 #37
There have been posts here delving into Monica's preBill sexual history Whisp May 2014 #48
How many posters are saying this stuff? Two? Three? Even five? MADem May 2014 #76
when dredging up past sexual exp. and abortions and how many mates... Whisp May 2014 #77
No, it isn't. And you know it, too. MADem May 2014 #91
not the prosecution for rape, would be more like defense of rape. Whisp May 2014 #92
Look, this conversation about "Monica" isn't happening in a vacuum. MADem May 2014 #95
I couldn't agree with you more. pacalo May 2014 #96
Fair warning though, stay away from those folks eating that chocolate-sauce covered treat! MADem May 2014 #97
I hear ya... pacalo May 2014 #98
Vita meata vegamin........schhhhhhhhhhh HIC!!!!! nt MADem May 2014 #99
No. Feral Child May 2014 #40
I don't support push polls muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #43
Why doesn't anyone place the focus on where it really belongs-it was Linda Tripp R B Garr May 2014 #50
Please no. I get where you are coming from and you are right. But no, and I'll tell you why stevenleser May 2014 #51
The President and Monica Lewinsky made mistakes and it caused many issues. hrmjustin May 2014 #56
It all seems so Biblical. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #59
How about a poll option for "I don't give a rats ass about Monica Lewinsky"? tularetom May 2014 #61
Damn Skippy.... Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #62
Point of clarification: she is not and was not an air head. PeaceNikki May 2014 #93
Absolutely Dorian Gray May 2014 #74
Can you clarify what you mean by"'support"? Kaleva May 2014 #78
I don't believe in the concept of "sluts" to begin with etherealtruth May 2014 #79
Monica Who? gives a fuck Vincardog May 2014 #80
I'm sure the Repubs probably want to get everyone riled up against this incident again. Manifestor_of_Light May 2014 #81
No, and frankly if May is going to be Clenis month, I need to clear my calendar. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #82
Ignore-shaming Spirochete May 2014 #85
I'm not sure what "slut-shaming" is in this instance Prophet 451 May 2014 #86
It's the language being used against her YoungDemCA May 2014 #88
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