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In reply to the discussion: Wanted: Proof that what happened in Ukraine actually constituted a "western sponsored coup." [View all]Tommy_Carcetti
(43,166 posts)And any theory needs proof. That's just how those things work. The generally accepted public narrative and the conspiracy theory don't get to immediately exist on equal footing...one needs to prove the conspiracy theory in hopes that it will become the generally accepted public narrative.
I mean, look at September 11th. Do we assume that theories that the World Trade Center was brought down by ground explosives planted by the US government (i.e. the conspiracy theory and alternate narrative) should be placed on equal ground as the argument that the World Trade Center was brought down by airplanes hijacked by followers of Osama Bin Laden (i.e. the narrative that the general public overwhelmingly believes to be true)? Certainly not. If you are going to claim that facts aren't really as what people think they saw, then you better damn well have some sort of reliable proof to back it up.
And I don't agree with you that the terminology of what happened in Ukraine are irrelevant. "Coup" carries a very specific meaning and implication to it. We can all certainly agree that what Ukraine went through was a regime change. You can argue that it would qualify as a revolution (and the hundreds of thousands on Maidan does show a high degree of popular support amongst Ukrainians). But "coup" is another story altogether. As the word is properly defined, it suggests a small group of conspirators who use force, violence or duress to remove the leader of a country from power. And at least from my assessment of the situation, what happened in Ukraine did not fit into that narrow and specific definition.
And further more, to allege that this was not just a coup, but a western sponsored one, requires even further proof. And while people have repeated ad naseum certain curiosities--Nuland's cookies, Nuland's phone call, Yatsenyuk's website--none of those items are directly relevant to the actual mechanics of the purported western-sponsored coup. How exactly did this coup happen? That's what I really want to know.