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McCamy Taylor

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21. A study showing a statistical association is not cause for panic. It just means we need a

Thu May 15, 2014, 08:50 PM

May 2014

follow up study.

I am sure that the follow up studies are being done and will be published soon. It has been about three years.

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Let's Be Accurate: The MMR Vaccine is Not Associated With Autism. But Neonatal Hep B in Males... [View all] McCamy Taylor May 2014 OP

"Association does not prove causality" is the operative phrase Warpy May 2014 #1

+1 HuckleB May 2014 #5

Even if it does the good outweighs the bad. ForgoTheConsequence May 2014 #2

No argument here. Especially in China, India, Africa and places were chronic Hep B McCamy Taylor May 2014 #49

Shouldn't it be the job of the people making the argument blueridge3210 May 2014 #3

Actually, it is not hard to show that there is no association. If two things are McCamy Taylor May 2014 #7

I must be missing something blueridge3210 May 2014 #10

Yes, there is a study that shows an association. It is the one linked above. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #25

You're not missing anything. This is just another study misrepresented by anti-vaxers. HuckleB May 2014 #28

No, it should be the job of those who would require all neonates to be given a vaccine pnwmom May 2014 #11

And it appears that this has been done blueridge3210 May 2014 #14

+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB May 2014 #17

It's incumbent on those selling a vaccine to prove it's safe. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #33

Hep B study is just a restatement that autism diagnoses were increasing mathematic May 2014 #4

But they didn't find that correlation with MMR vaccine, which also changed significantly. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #34

The hep B study didn't study the MMR vaccine mathematic May 2014 #39

Why would anyone recommend this anti-vaccine ludicrousness? HuckleB May 2014 #6

Autism causation and the Hepatitis B vaccine: no link HuckleB May 2014 #8

Why does DU tolerate this type of conspiracy theory BS? HuckleB May 2014 #9

Did you bother to alert on it as an SOP violation? Warren Stupidity May 2014 #12

Why would I? HuckleB May 2014 #13

So that would answer the question why DU allows it in this case. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #15

Umm. No. Not really. HuckleB May 2014 #16

actually it would get a pretty good chance of a lock as stupid ass CS bullshit. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #18

That's not my experience, and I'm tired of being told my alerts are crap. HuckleB May 2014 #19

fine I'll alert on it and see what happens. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #20

I'll be curious to find out. HuckleB May 2014 #23

Nothing. It was nearly unanimous that more antivac idiocy wouldl be good for DU. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #64

meaning it is still up in the air RobertEarl May 2014 #24

We know it's not vaccines. HuckleB May 2014 #26

Antivac idiocy is killing people. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #27

It could be RobertEarl May 2014 #31

Radiation causes autism! NuclearDem May 2014 #38

I need a better class of fan club RobertEarl May 2014 #41

Three things. blueridge3210 May 2014 #50

That is true. That is why I am not Antivac. I am for informed Vaccination. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #36

That's a fiction-based copout. HuckleB May 2014 #42

My patients have to sign consent forms before they get vaccines. Big, long government consent forms. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #52

Your "patients?" HuckleB May 2014 #53

MD, MPH. Most folks here know that. Go on Amazon. Read one of my books. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #71

More claims? HuckleB May 2014 #72

"So what is the cause of autism?" NuclearDem May 2014 #29

It's known that there's an environmental variable. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #35

No argument from me here. NuclearDem May 2014 #37

It's not definitive that it's not mostly genetic and diagnosis changes. HuckleB May 2014 #43

If it's not entirely due to Dx changes then there's an environmental factor. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #57

It's not that simple. HuckleB May 2014 #60

If the rate is going up, and it's not entirely measurement error, then it's environmental. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #62

Thanks for the anti-vaccine cliche. HuckleB May 2014 #65

Thanks. I tend to agree. However it can be very hard to get anyone interested in McCamy Taylor May 2014 #48

Actually, that's about the easiest thing in the world to do. HuckleB May 2014 #54

Agreed. With so many highly informed "experts" it should be no problem for them to GoneFishin May 2014 #76

I alerted. HuckleB May 2014 #45

You need to do an SOP alert. The OP is not rude or insulting, just whacko. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #46

I am going to plead ignorance. HuckleB May 2014 #47

The top choice sends it to host. Go Vols May 2014 #51

Thanks. HuckleB May 2014 #55

No it wouldn't... SidDithers May 2014 #58

yup you are right about this one Sid. Despite the horrifying effects of MMR antivac Warren Stupidity May 2014 #63

A study showing a statistical association is not cause for panic. It just means we need a McCamy Taylor May 2014 #21

This "study" is used by anti-vaxers to push bad propaganda. HuckleB May 2014 #22

I have a "rep"? This is the only study that has ever shown an association. Therefore it is the only McCamy Taylor May 2014 #30

Hmm. Doesn't that ring a bell? HuckleB May 2014 #40

Uncontrolled experiments piss me off. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #32

Of course, studies about the safety of the full vaccination schedule show no issues. HuckleB May 2014 #44

Let's chanege the subject. Roundup, Genetically Modified Foods... McCamy Taylor May 2014 #56

Anti-science conspiracies are a dime a dozen. HuckleB May 2014 #61

Let's be accurate - Hep B is not associated with Autism Godhumor May 2014 #59

And people here buy into it despite the disaster with the MMR antivac idiocy. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #66

Thanks for looking into what I was too lazy to do. Barack_America May 2014 #67

Yes there is an association. Here is a WHO summary of all the lit McCamy Taylor May 2014 #68

Nope. no credible link at all Godhumor May 2014 #69

One more thing to clarify,small premature babies should NOT get Hep B vaccine until one month of age McCamy Taylor May 2014 #70

I refused the hep B for my preemie twin boys (33 weekers). Crunchy Frog May 2014 #74

So, you can't answer the actual science of the matter, yet again. HuckleB May 2014 #75

The control group includes children born in 1980, 11 years before the vaccine was introduced Major Nikon May 2014 #73