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24. These vigilantes, going down a dark path, are drawing you down there with them. Jeremy Scahill
Wed May 21, 2014, 11:02 AM
May 2014

has explained the unconstitutionality of Obama's direct killing of four US citizens: Anwar Al-Awlaki, his 16-year-old son, Samir Khan, and Jude Mohammed, without benefit of due process of law. The death warrants against these individuals were effectively signed in secret, in a committee overseen directly by the president. This president has codified all the counter-terrorism activities that the Bush-Cheney Murder, Inc. put into place.

That there is an important context for concern over how and who we label traitors, and how we treat them. How easily our government moved from telling us the above Americans were traitors to then calling them terrorists. It doesn't matter that there was no official conspiracy revealed. It doesn't matter that we hate Coloradoan Al-Awlaki or what he preached.

What matters is that we executed citizens' civil liberties abroad. We must be careful not to do that at home. A precedence has been set, and calling these people traitors will invite others to call them domestic terrorists. I don't have a crystal ball, but most people here know how events can get out of hand.

The seriousness of creeping extrajudicial killings is a bad road that will erode civil control of an already out-of-control counter-terrorist industrial complex. Calling our citizens with guns "traitors" is how we take that first step.

Now that Congress has declared the US a "battleground" -- for at least five years now -- you are inviting the mass acceptance of US citizens -- however irritatingly, stupid, misguided and violent these vigilantes are -- to get be categorized along with foreign terrorists -- when all they really want is control of their land base and sovereignty under some view they connect with US founders -- this label that you advocate can take us down that path. Where will legal representatives draw the line? How will we control an already unconstitutional activity from being used against the rest of us? How will courts protect you or anyone else now that these killings are legal precedence under the laws governing "battlegrounds"?

When we go down the path of calling people traitors, we must, must take the civilian law enforcement road. This "traitor" business opens us up to crossing the line toward calling them domestic terrorists, and if we engage in any counter-terrorism against our fellow citizens -- and nationwide surveillance is battleground activity that justifies that very thing -- we lose all semblance of being civilized.

Calling them the name traitor calls for our getting lawyers, arrests, indictments and convictions. It's a slippery slope toward calling them terrorists when we call them traitors. We know this from Obama's drone strike record. You just can't ignore that context.

I don't want to have fellow citizens declared traitors until all the evidence is in. I'd rather they be apprehended, given their day in court, and have their say as defenders of what they say is wrong, and what they're defending.

When the get to the violent part of their plan will they finally be called terrorist? liberal N proud May 2014 #1
Maybe Blue_Adept May 2014 #2
A history-lesson: The Werewolf-units of the Nazis. DetlefK May 2014 #3
What is the difference between a "lone-ranger-approach" and the "Werewolf-program"? DJ13 May 2014 #26
Who protects them? Scarsdale May 2014 #4
You're assuming they can read smallcat88 May 2014 #30
These folks have always been around DonCoquixote May 2014 #5
Well said! smallcat88 May 2014 #31
Just more proof that the FBI was and is right.. pangaia May 2014 #6
Maybe Hillary heaven05 May 2014 #21
It sure would be nice if somebody did. But I ain't a holdin' muh breath. pangaia May 2014 #29
We laugh at them but it is true malaise May 2014 #7
So did a bunch of disgruntled right-wingers hanging out in a beer hall deutsey May 2014 #8
Which is why they are not as funny as they appear malaise May 2014 #9
why yes, yes they did heaven05 May 2014 #20
"The Lone Ranger Approach" MohRokTah May 2014 #10
Bingo deutsey May 2014 #11
And..... mgardener May 2014 #12
+1000 heaven05 May 2014 #19
Unfortunately smallcat88 May 2014 #32
I watched an entire stupid OAS video rant trying to hear what was so illegal... Hugin May 2014 #13
You might as well say smallcat88 May 2014 #33
Although, that's currently true. Hugin May 2014 #42
Wow, they spelled martial law properly--except for capitalizing it. tanyev May 2014 #14
K&fuckingR.... daleanime May 2014 #15
Where's the "rude?" sybylla May 2014 #16
the Rude Pundit doesn't use his signature naughty language BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #36
well rude, all I know is: heaven05 May 2014 #17
preach! BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #37
Instead of penis envy these guys have revolution envy. toby jo May 2014 #18
Name Scarsdale May 2014 #22
is Riley a real retired Colonel? riverwalker May 2014 #23
These vigilantes, going down a dark path, are drawing you down there with them. Jeremy Scahill ancianita May 2014 #24
How is one of their stated goals of forming a tribunal headed by Issa for... Hugin May 2014 #43
I get your point, but your prediction is highly doubtful. There has to be a case made, evidence ancianita May 2014 #44
How about "fellow victims"? Orsino May 2014 #25
k&r Electric Monk May 2014 #27
I agree, as does Merriam Webster, they are NOT patriots. Snarkoleptic May 2014 #28
Technically smallcat88 May 2014 #34
For me to call Tea Baggers traitors...... DeSwiss May 2014 #35
much food for thought here.... BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #38
, blkmusclmachine May 2014 #39
Reminds my of my father's stories about the German-American Bund goosestepping around Skokie, IL eridani May 2014 #40
And who in the U.S. ever took them seriously? former9thward May 2014 #45
Anyone who can reference these crackers vlakitti May 2014 #41
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