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BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
28. I actually can
Sun May 25, 2014, 07:23 AM
May 2014

In Brazil, the state controlled industry so tightly it let in few imports. That policy (Import Substitution Industrialization) was useful for a few decades because it allowed Brazil's economy to industrialize. By the nineties, however. it resulted in an economy where goods were very expensive, wages low, and a manufacturing elite reaped enormous profits. That state controlled economy was not at all left-wing, as one might assume. In fact those policies were maintained throughout two decades of right-wing dictatorship. Opening up Brazilian markets to imported goods actually helped consumers, Brazil's middle class. It was not enough to increase the middle class. That would come in the 2000s under Lula, but it was part of that process.

One example of the insanity was the state controlled telephone system. There were so few phone lines, you had to wait years and pay a fortune to buy a line. You couldn't call the phone company and have service set up. People ended up renting phone lines from people who owned them. It was very expensive and subject to all kinds of abuse. As soon as cell phones became available, Brazilians quickly purchased them and freed themselves from having to lease phones from individuals, so cell phones were widespread there before they were in the US.

I know the private water and sewer facility servicing my place only charges $800 a year GoneFishin May 2014 #1
Breaking up the Bell Telephone System seemed to have made telecommunications more competitive. Jenoch May 2014 #2
That was breaking up a monopoly. Not the same thing as giving away something public owned. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #3
The OP said privatizing or deregulating something benefited the public Algernon Moncrieff May 2014 #5
Before the break up...you didn't have to BUY your device KauaiK May 2014 #7
Yeah, you had to rent the phone with a monthly charge. Jenoch May 2014 #19
Uh, what? Ma Bell was already private. TransitJohn May 2014 #36
The breakup of Bell led to the deregulation Jenoch May 2014 #37
I think it was better before they broke it up. bemildred May 2014 #42
That wasn't de-regulating. That was enforcing anti-monopoly laws. backscatter712 May 2014 #43
Airline territories Algernon Moncrieff May 2014 #4
BUT they stopped servicing small markets KauaiK May 2014 #6
Greatest good for the greatest number Algernon Moncrieff May 2014 #21
I'm not sure you can say that benefitted the greatest number of people Major Nikon May 2014 #35
Roads are different than air travel Algernon Moncrieff May 2014 #38
Obviously Major Nikon May 2014 #40
airlines? maybe? arely staircase May 2014 #8
Got better, now it's gettung wose..A familiar pattern Armstead May 2014 #15
Carter's deregulation of trucking and rail. AngryAmish May 2014 #9
I think they decided Leme May 2014 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #11
maybe Leme May 2014 #12
ARPANET TM99 May 2014 #13
Tht's not in the plan Armstead May 2014 #16
Agreed. TM99 May 2014 #23
Ah, good ol’ trustworthy beer. My love for you will never die Brother Buzz May 2014 #14
No Rosa Luxemburg May 2014 #17
No, not one. bemildred May 2014 #18
Defense Contracting AnalystInParadise May 2014 #20
The industry has not been deregulated at all what you are talking about is how Congress passed laws Exposethefrauds May 2014 #25
Beer. alarimer May 2014 #22
Liquor stores. justgamma May 2014 #31
Still are in many jurisdictions...never were in a lot of other jurisdictions. Chan790 May 2014 #33
They did that in WA state a couple years ago and prices have gone up. pnwmom May 2014 #39
Airlines and trucking ... nt quadrature May 2014 #24
When privatizing and SamKnause May 2014 #26
Not much in the US; we've never had many nationalized industries Recursion May 2014 #27
I actually can BainsBane May 2014 #28
it will be quite rare quaker bill May 2014 #29
In MN there is one I can think of but it is still controlled by the state. Years ago many of the jwirr May 2014 #30
National park P3's. joshcryer May 2014 #32
Nope. n/t Jamastiene May 2014 #34
no Skittles May 2014 #41
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