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aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
13. Well there is a focus on mass murders where mental illness appears to play a central role.
Sun May 25, 2014, 08:20 PM
May 2014


I understand that those concerned with helping the mentally ill are worried about broad brush blame and discrimination, but one can still talk about trying to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people with mental health issues without damaging the civil rights/liberties of the rest of the mentally ill or gun owners.

Do you really want to the NRA advocating for the mentally ill? You want Ted Nugent on your side?
Recommended~ n/t me b zola May 2014 #1
Very true shenmue May 2014 #2
K & R Thinkingabout May 2014 #3
and if they don't take their medication....as was the case with Rodger....then VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #4
Those who want to lock away people who committed no crime are not of rational mind Bjorn Against May 2014 #5
Maybe it should be a crime JJChambers May 2014 #9
Only if they've already committed a violent crime, or at the very least, threatened to. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #11
You disgust me with your bigotry against the mentally ill. Bjorn Against May 2014 #16
What do you propose we do with someone like Rodger Elliot? JJChambers May 2014 #17
Maybe we should lock gun nuts away before they commit a crime, see how you like it Bjorn Against May 2014 #20
So you don't have a suggestion on how to deal with someone exhibiting these symptoms JJChambers May 2014 #27
Sorry, I don't favor locking people up for pre-crimes Bjorn Against May 2014 #30
Right JJChambers May 2014 #34
Well I have seen plenty of gun advocates suggest they would use their guns to kill Bjorn Against May 2014 #36
Sure, but most of the gun owners say they would kill... In self defense JJChambers May 2014 #38
I can't go with this JJ. True, this guy was bent on mass murder. but Eleanors38 May 2014 #72
How do you define "dangerously mentally ill"? Thank you. uppityperson May 2014 #23
Rodger Elliot JJChambers May 2014 #24
That is a name of a dead young man. Or do you mean lock up murderers after they murder? uppityperson May 2014 #26
He is a perfect example of dangerously mentally ill JJChambers May 2014 #29
You would have people who post videos locked up? Or would they need to be under the care of uppityperson May 2014 #41
When it becomes apparent someone is homicidal though has not committed a crime JJChambers May 2014 #44
At what point? Posting videos or writings? Actively threatening others? Talking with others? Making uppityperson May 2014 #45
His family was concerned enough about him to call the police on him. pnwmom May 2014 #53
I've a family member who would do much better taking meds but refuses to, instead living unhappily uppityperson May 2014 #56
The frustrating, maddening reality: You can't stop some of these murderers... Eleanors38 May 2014 #75
You make a very good point. Chemisse May 2014 #103
No he's not. but do continue with your ignorance and fear, hon. cali May 2014 #65
One example would be a man who heard voices, showed signs of extreme paranoia, pnwmom May 2014 #52
Lock up schizophrenics if they don't take their meds, or just those who put up youtube vids about uppityperson May 2014 #55
Given his history and refusal to take meds, those youtube videos should have pnwmom May 2014 #63
What if you're just dangerous? DeadLetterOffice May 2014 #57
I can go without medication just fine, thank you very much. Neoma May 2014 #80
It wasn't mental illness that caused this. CSStrowbridge May 2014 #83
Is it your belief that mental illness causes violence? phil89 May 2014 #93
right...so we should let people like Jeffery Dahmer live among us I suppose? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #77
Nice strawman there Distant Quasar May 2014 #108
do You think someone that just eats people is sane? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #135
A gross oversimplification of how psychiatric medication, and medication in general, works. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #19
If they don't take their medication...isn't that an indication that someone else should be VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #78
People have the right to self determination phil89 May 2014 #94
There is plenty of evidence that some diagnosis have increased rates of violence Lee-Lee May 2014 #96
I am curious: what is your degree (degrees) in? etherealtruth May 2014 #121
I come from a law enforcement background Lee-Lee May 2014 #122
That does explain it (I am not trying to be an ass) etherealtruth May 2014 #123
I get that people are sensitive to this Lee-Lee May 2014 #129
The statistics actually do not indicate that etherealtruth May 2014 #130
Your links take a very broad study of all "mental illness" and lump them together Lee-Lee May 2014 #131
I will agree that substance abuse is very high and many many people have dual diagnosis etherealtruth May 2014 #133
Poor logic and inaccurate, imo. uppityperson May 2014 #126
Perhaps you should have read the entire link I posted to Lee-Lee May 2014 #128
And again, what about the rest of what I wrote? People in prison for homic may have a higher rate of uppityperson May 2014 #132
You are grossly misinformed according to NIMH Director Dr. Tom Insel. proverbialwisdom May 2014 #109
More. proverbialwisdom May 2014 #110
It's not a black and white issue. progressoid May 2014 #76
It is very disturbing to see folk stigmatized, vilified and marginalized ... etherealtruth May 2014 #6
The NRA is ok with putting those who are dangerous due to mental illness on the NICS list. aikoaiko May 2014 #7
The NRA is a bigoted organization that blames the mentally ill Bjorn Against May 2014 #8
Well there is a focus on mass murders where mental illness appears to play a central role. aikoaiko May 2014 #13
No one has blamed the NRA for not advocating for mental health issues etherealtruth May 2014 #22
The "mentally ill meme" comes up in the context of mass murders, not general violence. aikoaiko May 2014 #28
The issue appears to be the NRA's goal to stigmatize the mentally ill etherealtruth May 2014 #39
Its not just the NRA who is talking about the role of mental illness in mass murders. aikoaiko May 2014 #49
Etheral, many controllers are all over the board on this issue... Eleanors38 May 2014 #70
I agree that we need consistency in our positions etherealtruth May 2014 #90
I had a tough but civil discussion with Thucythucy.. Eleanors38 May 2014 #95
Absolutely not etherealtruth May 2014 #105
I agree with the stigma aspect. And I don't think such Eleanors38 May 2014 #116
Sadly, you are right about the NSA etherealtruth May 2014 #118
Well, The Straight Story May 2014 #10
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #12
That's all you got from that? The Straight Story May 2014 #18
That's twice, now. 1000words May 2014 #35
Most people interpret the benefit of the doubt as clear support for their language. aikoaiko May 2014 #50
Ugh. NuclearDem May 2014 #79
He is not taking the blame treestar May 2014 #14
Thank you. This has gotten way out of hand, with the ignorant, insulting posts around here. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #15
Mental health is an extremely broad spectrum which touches an immense proportion of the population. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #21
I hope you did not take my OP that way. I am for strict gun control and forgot what a bug a boo bettyellen May 2014 #25
To be honest I did not even see your post Bjorn Against May 2014 #33
thank you. I always respect what you have to say and I see the bettyellen May 2014 #40
With you 100% klook May 2014 #31
Here's the crap spewed by an NRA member on my FB page Divernan May 2014 #32
The amazing thing to me is that many of the same people who lecture us about thucythucy May 2014 #60
You haven't seen the calls by controllers for "psych evaluations?" Seriously?? Eleanors38 May 2014 #66
You're conflating psych (or other) evaluations for gun ownership thucythucy May 2014 #68
Wrong answers are always "simple" ones. You have a weak position Eleanors38 May 2014 #74
So you've gone from seeing life in section 8 housing as so dangerous thucythucy May 2014 #85
The problems of mental illness seem to affect mist families... Eleanors38 May 2014 #89
For the vast majority of people, losing their driver's license thucythucy May 2014 #134
"...people are desperate to find something to blame besides guns" FailureToCommunicate May 2014 #37
Good cartoon--how true. Louisiana1976 May 2014 #43
I love the smell of prohibition in the morning. Eleanors38 May 2014 #67
best post of the thread.... Locrian May 2014 #127
The mentally ill are much more likely to be victims JonLP24 May 2014 #42
Perhaps rather than stimatizing all of those who suffer from mental illnesses, we, instead 1monster May 2014 #46
Sociopathy as a "diagnosis" doesn't exist anymore. DeadLetterOffice May 2014 #54
I made a typo in my post which changed the meaning to the opposite of 1monster May 2014 #73
Most really sick, untreated schizophrenics are too busy being terrified of everything to be a threat Warpy May 2014 #47
stated elsewhere- we need to talk less about the mind and more about the brain. mopinko May 2014 #124
"The vast majority of mentally ill people are not violent," you didn't need to go farther than the dionysus May 2014 #48
you are absolutely right. When George McGovern was running for President, Thomas Eagleton had to lostincalifornia May 2014 #51
I agree, but... jabari0q May 2014 #58
...meaning? NRaleighLiberal May 2014 #59
And that "honesty" would be?? Lady Freedom Returns May 2014 #64
Gun Control not shoooter control is the answer. Next week the NRA will be screaming: rustydog May 2014 #61
Great post. Nt thucythucy May 2014 #69
k/r 840high May 2014 #62
The mentally ill should not be allowed to own firearms madville May 2014 #71
Again and again we have to say it! Neoma May 2014 #81
Sorry, but face reality Lee-Lee May 2014 #86
What diagnosis have been scientifically proven to make a person more prone toward violent behavior? etherealtruth May 2014 #91
Schizophrenia specifically is linked with a much higher likelihood of violent behavior Lee-Lee May 2014 #92
Are you seriously claiming phil89 May 2014 #97
I am saying the evidence shows Lee-Lee May 2014 #99
It's the conclusion, not the evidence I have a problem. phil89 May 2014 #102
I do not care for guns, I would like to carefully control ownership and access to guns etherealtruth May 2014 #101
What about people pipi_k May 2014 #88
You are talking about millions of people Distant Quasar May 2014 #111
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast May 2014 #82
I just posted about this over on David Futrelle's blog intaglio May 2014 #84
As someone with a whole slew pipi_k May 2014 #87
The problem here is we are lumping all "mental illness" in one broad category Lee-Lee May 2014 #98
It's simple and complex pipi_k May 2014 #106
Schizophrenia is also extremely complex Distant Quasar May 2014 #112
The second part is still correct though. JVS May 2014 #107
Yes - thank you for saying this Distant Quasar May 2014 #113
+ 1000 Rhinodawg May 2014 #100
It's not the NRA so much....... nolabels May 2014 #104
I said this in another thread - I personally know many schizophrenics and NONE are dangerous... DesertDiamond May 2014 #114
Here in Michigan a Republican governor closed most state mental health hospitals. tclambert May 2014 #115
Engler was an ass clown from hell etherealtruth May 2014 #119
Sick country in which we have a "right" to a gun but not to mental health care. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #117
There are people with mental illness in every 1st world country, none have our level of shootings Exultant Democracy May 2014 #120
Thank you, Bjorn. +100000000000000000.00 n/t AAO May 2014 #125
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