This quote says it ALL: (Reply #39) - Democratic Underground

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Sun May 25, 2014, 08:37 PM

TygrBright (18,643 posts)

39. This quote says it ALL:

Because if your response to the shooting is to defend men (or worse, condemn women) instead of speaking out against this type of violence and attitude, then you best check yourself.

Seriously.

Pointing out that entrenched misogyny, the tolerance thereof, and the cultural expectations associated therewith, is the enabler of violence against women up to and including spree murder is NOT an indictment of everyone with a Y chromosome.

It is a statement of the problem.

And if you are not willing to see the problem for what it is, you are not going to be able to solve the problem.

And what is that old saying about "part of the solution, or..."?

wearily,
Bright

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112 replies	Author	Time	Post
NOT ALL MEN, BUT STILL TOO MANY MEN [View all]	Matariki	May 2014	OP
++++++++ a billionzillionkajillion	BlancheSplanchnik	May 2014	#1
Recommended.	H2O Man	May 2014	#2
Come on	jamzrockz	May 2014	#3
The personal is political.	Sheldon Cooper	May 2014	#5
Oh you are the all women spokesperson?	Egnever	May 2014	#8
Good one! =) nt	AverageJoe90	May 2014	#14
#YesAllWomen	betsuni	May 2014	#43
Are you the spokesman for MRAs?	intaglio	May 2014	#80
I dont understand	jamzrockz	May 2014	#9
The OP is just ridiculous....	Darkhawk32	May 2014	#11
The man who acted out his dark fantasy did so	intaglio	May 2014	#82
+1	nomorenomore08	May 2014	#85
Whatever gets you through the day. n/t	Darkhawk32	May 2014	#94
Well at least I am not attempting to defend the sick fantasies of the MRA community	intaglio	May 2014	#95
I didn't say that. You're just as bad as them. n/t	Darkhawk32	May 2014	#96
One person who goes on a murderous rampage is "STILL TOO MANY"	Major Nikon	May 2014	#10
^^^THIS^^^	Tom Ripley	May 2014	#44
Everything is political	jzola	May 2014	#34
Can we not pull out the same tired old excuses for not talking about gun control and	valerief	May 2014	#102
K&R	Scuba	May 2014	#4
one entitled piss bag is too many.	Whisp	May 2014	#6
+1. nt	bemildred	May 2014	#7
women and the repugs	kardonb	May 2014	#12
I second that!	smallcat88	May 2014	#15
I have wondered that - most of my life. The whole nauseating Woman-As-Property thing.	calimary	May 2014	#37
Sorry to hear	smallcat88	May 2014	#42
The comment about "privilege" aside, this was a rather good, thoughtful article overall.	AverageJoe90	May 2014	#13
Putting my Pollyanna hat on . . .	MrModerate	May 2014	#16
I don't fear men	Abq_Sarah	May 2014	#19
I've known few men with scary senses of sexual entitlement	gollygee	May 2014	#21
I'm not afraid of men - in public places or privately.	Chemisse	May 2014	#41
There are many places I avoid because of men and their attitudes of entitlement.	bloom	May 2014	#56
OK, I'm curious . . .	MrModerate	May 2014	#101
Sane men, rape and places to avoid	bloom	May 2014	#110
Putting on my "Use Google" hat I need only point you at the vile postings on loveshy	intaglio	May 2014	#84
Does a Twitter meme equal general acceptance? N/T	MrModerate	May 2014	#100
Look don't denigrate	intaglio	May 2014	#103
Sorry, I'm not understanding your comment. n/t	MrModerate	May 2014	#104
Funny that ...	intaglio	May 2014	#105
Asking the question is not denigration.	MrModerate	May 2014	#112
Has anyone alerted on this hateful thread?	B Calm	May 2014	#17
If this gets hidden	gollygee	May 2014	#18
+1	Starry Messenger	May 2014	#20
+1000	Tom Ripley	May 2014	#45
How is calling out entitled assholes "hateful" towards all men? I don't follow you...	nomorenomore08	May 2014	#50
Care to define why it is "hateful"	intaglio	May 2014	#86
Post removed	Post removed	May 2014	#22
DU has truly become anti-male for the sake of being anti-male. n/t	Darkhawk32	May 2014	#23
Anti-misogynist does not = anti-male	gollygee	May 2014	#24
Not according to the OP and not to a lot of women on this site. We're all lumped in together.	Darkhawk32	May 2014	#26
But go ahead, focus on a sexually frustrated male and not the real issue...	Darkhawk32	May 2014	#27
What do you see as the real issue?	gollygee	May 2014	#33
I would like to hear what you think the 'real issue' is. n/t	bloom	May 2014	#57
Every last person in society is misogynist to some degree.	Gravitycollapse	May 2014	#28
Hmm	gollygee	May 2014	#31
It doesn't necessarily need to be a conscious act or thought.	Gravitycollapse	May 2014	#35
For the fully literate, I'm pretty sure it does	Major Nikon	May 2014	#46
Cultural biases don't have to be consciously expressed to have an effect.	nomorenomore08	May 2014	#49
There's only 3 words in the definition	Major Nikon	May 2014	#51
Okay, fair enough. Using "sexism" in place of "misogyny" is fine. n/t	nomorenomore08	May 2014	#53
Sexism is a concept, not an action.	Gravitycollapse	May 2014	#55
Sexism is an action	Major Nikon	May 2014	#67
"Sexism is an action" - No, sexism is what inspires action and what is produced by action.	Gravitycollapse	May 2014	#87
"As for the articles you've posted, I don't agree with their assessment"	Major Nikon	May 2014	#91
...	Spider Jerusalem	May 2014	#58
All of those definitions require a conscience effort	Major Nikon	May 2014	#60
You probably mean "conscious"	Spider Jerusalem	May 2014	#61
I'm not grammar flaming, you are	Major Nikon	May 2014	#63
No, they really weren't.	Spider Jerusalem	May 2014	#64
So how exactly does one unconsciously ingrain prejudice against or have contempt for women?	Major Nikon	May 2014	#68
Culture causes unconscious prejudice, obviously.	Spider Jerusalem	May 2014	#69
You are really reaching here	Major Nikon	May 2014	#70
Are you telling me that a significant percentage of men don't think women are inferior?	Spider Jerusalem	May 2014	#71
Interesting how you articulated that question	Major Nikon	May 2014	#73
Do you not even know what you're saying?	Spider Jerusalem	May 2014	#74
I'm quite sure I know what I'm saying	Major Nikon	May 2014	#75
I see that you're a bit obtuse.	Spider Jerusalem	May 2014	#76
Perhaps you need to look it up	Major Nikon	May 2014	#77
I'm afraid I'm not the one doing that.	Spider Jerusalem	May 2014	#78
Regardless of what it means none of the definitions support the assertion	Major Nikon	May 2014	#79
Of course it can.	Spider Jerusalem	May 2014	#81
Nailed it, thank you. Ridiculous the lengths people go to in oreder to try and squash the	bettyellen	May 2014	#99
Message auto-removed	Name removed	May 2014	#29
rofl	YoungDemCA	May 2014	#62
Yeah, I usually don't like misogynist women. n/t	Darkhawk32	May 2014	#65
They don't kill, but they have those attitudes	treestar	May 2014	#30
I think men are more likely to be assaulted, though	treestar	May 2014	#25
Check out www.bjs.gov probably.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	May 2014	#36
page 7	treestar	May 2014	#38
The NCVS doesn't survey prisoners	Major Nikon	May 2014	#52
They are more likely to be murdered, overall. About 3 times more IIRC.	nomorenomore08	May 2014	#48
And what is the majority gender doing that murdering?	intaglio	May 2014	#88
Of course men commit most of the murders. I was just answering the other poster's question.	nomorenomore08	May 2014	#90
Reminds me of the pro-life crowd.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	May 2014	#32
This quote says it ALL:	TygrBright	May 2014	#39
The fact of the matter is, people of both genders can be abusive, degrading and downright hatefull,	DrewFlorida	May 2014	#40
Very well stated but probably not going to receive much consideration right now. n/t	Darkhawk32	May 2014	#66
I shared stories of how my brother is treated for staying at home	joeglow3	May 2014	#72
And which gender, by a huge majority, commits violent acts?	intaglio	May 2014	#89
You don't need to convince me of the problem of violence against women!	DrewFlorida	May 2014	#98
Post removed	Post removed	May 2014	#47
In a culture of individualism and violence	TBF	May 2014	#54
I wonder if the mansplainers know the OP is from the blog of Chuck Wendig.	bloom	May 2014	#59
They don't read anything -- the knee jerks, they type	betsuni	May 2014	#83
"...barking up the wrong trees when they think a feminist-monster is up there."	nomorenomore08	May 2014	#92
It's sad actually	bloom	May 2014	#106
That's one way to look at it. Regardless, I didn't come away with the most positive feeling. n/t	nomorenomore08	May 2014	#107
About the green M&M's...	lame54	May 2014	#93
+1 pedantic, informative and actually interesting	maggiesfarmer	May 2014	#108
I was debating whether or not to post that but decided it would be derailing the conversation.	MadrasT	May 2014	#109
Hmm. I never knew that.	deutsey	May 2014	#111
And another thing:	Brigid	May 2014	#97

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