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Laelth

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Mon May 26, 2014, 08:21 AM May 2014

"What shall we do now?" (re. the UCSB shootings) [View all]

Michael Moore responded to the UCSB shootings in a Facebook post (quoted here) with his usual argument about the need for better gun control. Accidentally, perhaps, he hit upon what I see as the underlying issue that demands our attention when he said this:

Nearly all of our mass shootings are by angry or disturbed white males. None of them are committed by the majority gender, women. Hmmm, why is that?


Moore asks the right question, but then drops it like a hot potato, preferring, instead, to focus on the guns. I see this whole mess as a gender issue--as a backlash against the enormous gains in power that women have made over the past century. I see our obsession with guns as a lame and futile attempt to re-assert some kind of "masculine" power. I see the success of right-wing parties in Europe as a product of the same backlash. In fact, I see the political success of the modern Republican Party as a result of the same, underlying issue. How else can we explain why so many people vote against their best interests?

Strangely enough, this topic is hardly ever addressed on DU (as I noted here). Perhaps it is too frightening for us to rationally grasp and consider. Many years ago, I taught an upper-level, college rhetoric course in which we focused on Pink Floyd's 1982 film, The Wall, for a few weeks. It was a transformative experience for me. The following short clip from that movie is illustrative. If you haven't seen the movie, I'd recommend you do so if you have any interest in gender studies. Just take a look at this short segment from the movie (and try to pay attention to the lyrics):



As hideous and shocking as that imagery may be, I think it explains a great deal about the world as we know it today. What to do about this is another question altogether, but I strongly feel that we should talk and think about the dramatic changes in our gender roles and sexual dynamics over the course of the past century.

-Laelth
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I've never watched The Wall in it's entirety. I will have to do so. octoberlib May 2014 #1
I hope you do. Laelth May 2014 #4
Actually, rrneck May 2014 #6
Umm ... Laelth May 2014 #8
It certainly seems counterintuitive but it's true. rrneck May 2014 #12
Thanks for that link. Laelth May 2014 #50
That's complete bollocks. He doesn't argue anything of the sort. muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #18
I disagree with your interpretation. Laelth May 2014 #19
No, that's just total nonsense muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #21
Thank you for your posts about this. redqueen May 2014 #23
Interestingly Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #32
Indeed, he says nothing about WW I. Laelth May 2014 #33
You are trying to conflate war and the character's personal problems muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #34
Another few pieces of evidence. Laelth May 2014 #37
They are things the character might do muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #42
Drop bombs? Seriously? Laelth May 2014 #61
to say nothing of the fact DonCoquixote May 2014 #43
If you taught rhetoric than I ask you to step back and look for a larger, overarching theme KittyWampus May 2014 #2
You nailed it when you mentioned the Middle East. Laelth May 2014 #3
The bong is strong with this one. AngryAmish May 2014 #5
LOL Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #17
+1 Agreed n/t PasadenaTrudy May 2014 #7
Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2014 #69
So men were never violent before women's liberation movements? davidn3600 May 2014 #9
Humans are violent. Laelth May 2014 #10
So the invention of bigger and better guns and war machines had nothing to do with it? davidn3600 May 2014 #11
True. Laelth May 2014 #13
wow. that's pretty horrifying. Sheri May 2014 #14
Either will work. Laelth May 2014 #48
we have often talked about the backlash resulting from so much success of women over a small seabeyond May 2014 #15
Indeed, but do you talk about men? Laelth May 2014 #30
all. the fuckin. time. that is my life. seabeyond May 2014 #39
Smile. I hear you. Laelth May 2014 #40
but most importantly. i listen to them. nt seabeyond May 2014 #41
this obssession by the gun 'enthusiasts' heaven05 May 2014 #16
There are over 80,000,000 gun-owners, enthused or otherwise... Eleanors38 May 2014 #24
3quarterbillion guns in this country alone heaven05 May 2014 #31
A lot of guns, but more like 300+ million. There is one course Eleanors38 May 2014 #35
that's okay on the link heaven05 May 2014 #44
The country may be sliding to hell in a handbasket, Eleanors38 May 2014 #51
My pleasure. n/t Laelth May 2014 #46
Good points. fried eggs May 2014 #20
Thanks. Laelth May 2014 #29
Since women constitute the fastest growing gun-owning demographic Eleanors38 May 2014 #22
No clue, but I welcome the discussion. Laelth May 2014 #28
Gender was this shooter's motive treestar May 2014 #25
no, nothing to do with guns Skittles May 2014 #26
As the clip I posted demonstrates ... Laelth May 2014 #27
problem seems to be men unable to handle change Skittles May 2014 #36
We have all suffered from the backlash, I think. Laelth May 2014 #38
We fight to amend the Second Amendment. The existence of guns prevents the very conversations ancianita May 2014 #45
I would like Mr. Moore to answer his own question. Laelth May 2014 #47
+1000 LAGC May 2014 #53
It really is a gun problem Crunchy Frog May 2014 #62
The Second Amendment is not your problem hack89 May 2014 #58
Added just to keep my thoughts on the same page. Laelth May 2014 #60
On misogyny and misandry. Laelth May 2014 #49
love and desire. seabeyond May 2014 #52
I've been saying "testosterone is an evil master" for a long time. Laelth May 2014 #55
that has nothing to do with love and desire. that has nothing to do with being fearful seabeyond May 2014 #56
Hold on a second. Laelth May 2014 #57
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #54
My response to XemaSab (above). Laelth May 2014 #59
The purpose of this thread (cross-posted). Laelth May 2014 #63
I read something by someone who never once talked about giving of themselves…. Tikki May 2014 #64
I admire and appreciate the spirit of this post. Laelth May 2014 #65
I thank you for your posts in this thread dreamnightwind May 2014 #66
You are very kind. Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2014 #67
It is not our responsibility to fix all the "broken" people of the world. Laelth May 2014 #68
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