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Recommended~ n/t me b zola May 2014 #1
Very true shenmue May 2014 #2
K & R Thinkingabout May 2014 #3
and if they don't take their medication....as was the case with Rodger....then VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #4
Those who want to lock away people who committed no crime are not of rational mind Bjorn Against May 2014 #5
Maybe it should be a crime JJChambers May 2014 #9
Only if they've already committed a violent crime, or at the very least, threatened to. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #11
You disgust me with your bigotry against the mentally ill. Bjorn Against May 2014 #16
What do you propose we do with someone like Rodger Elliot? JJChambers May 2014 #17
Maybe we should lock gun nuts away before they commit a crime, see how you like it Bjorn Against May 2014 #20
So you don't have a suggestion on how to deal with someone exhibiting these symptoms JJChambers May 2014 #27
Sorry, I don't favor locking people up for pre-crimes Bjorn Against May 2014 #30
Right JJChambers May 2014 #34
Well I have seen plenty of gun advocates suggest they would use their guns to kill Bjorn Against May 2014 #36
Sure, but most of the gun owners say they would kill... In self defense JJChambers May 2014 #38
I can't go with this JJ. True, this guy was bent on mass murder. but Eleanors38 May 2014 #72
How do you define "dangerously mentally ill"? Thank you. uppityperson May 2014 #23
Rodger Elliot JJChambers May 2014 #24
That is a name of a dead young man. Or do you mean lock up murderers after they murder? uppityperson May 2014 #26
He is a perfect example of dangerously mentally ill JJChambers May 2014 #29
You would have people who post videos locked up? Or would they need to be under the care of uppityperson May 2014 #41
When it becomes apparent someone is homicidal though has not committed a crime JJChambers May 2014 #44
At what point? Posting videos or writings? Actively threatening others? Talking with others? Making uppityperson May 2014 #45
His family was concerned enough about him to call the police on him. pnwmom May 2014 #53
I've a family member who would do much better taking meds but refuses to, instead living unhappily uppityperson May 2014 #56
The frustrating, maddening reality: You can't stop some of these murderers... Eleanors38 May 2014 #75
You make a very good point. Chemisse May 2014 #103
No he's not. but do continue with your ignorance and fear, hon. cali May 2014 #65
One example would be a man who heard voices, showed signs of extreme paranoia, pnwmom May 2014 #52
Lock up schizophrenics if they don't take their meds, or just those who put up youtube vids about uppityperson May 2014 #55
Given his history and refusal to take meds, those youtube videos should have pnwmom May 2014 #63
What if you're just dangerous? DeadLetterOffice May 2014 #57
I can go without medication just fine, thank you very much. Neoma May 2014 #80
It wasn't mental illness that caused this. CSStrowbridge May 2014 #83
Is it your belief that mental illness causes violence? phil89 May 2014 #93
right...so we should let people like Jeffery Dahmer live among us I suppose? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #77
Nice strawman there Distant Quasar May 2014 #108
do You think someone that just eats people is sane? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #135
A gross oversimplification of how psychiatric medication, and medication in general, works. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #19
If they don't take their medication...isn't that an indication that someone else should be VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #78
People have the right to self determination phil89 May 2014 #94
There is plenty of evidence that some diagnosis have increased rates of violence Lee-Lee May 2014 #96
I am curious: what is your degree (degrees) in? etherealtruth May 2014 #121
I come from a law enforcement background Lee-Lee May 2014 #122
That does explain it (I am not trying to be an ass) etherealtruth May 2014 #123
I get that people are sensitive to this Lee-Lee May 2014 #129
The statistics actually do not indicate that etherealtruth May 2014 #130
Your links take a very broad study of all "mental illness" and lump them together Lee-Lee May 2014 #131
I will agree that substance abuse is very high and many many people have dual diagnosis etherealtruth May 2014 #133
Poor logic and inaccurate, imo. uppityperson May 2014 #126
Perhaps you should have read the entire link I posted to Lee-Lee May 2014 #128
And again, what about the rest of what I wrote? People in prison for homic may have a higher rate of uppityperson May 2014 #132
You are grossly misinformed according to NIMH Director Dr. Tom Insel. proverbialwisdom May 2014 #109
More. proverbialwisdom May 2014 #110
It's not a black and white issue. progressoid May 2014 #76
It is very disturbing to see folk stigmatized, vilified and marginalized ... etherealtruth May 2014 #6
The NRA is ok with putting those who are dangerous due to mental illness on the NICS list. aikoaiko May 2014 #7
The NRA is a bigoted organization that blames the mentally ill Bjorn Against May 2014 #8
Well there is a focus on mass murders where mental illness appears to play a central role. aikoaiko May 2014 #13
No one has blamed the NRA for not advocating for mental health issues etherealtruth May 2014 #22
The "mentally ill meme" comes up in the context of mass murders, not general violence. aikoaiko May 2014 #28
The issue appears to be the NRA's goal to stigmatize the mentally ill etherealtruth May 2014 #39
Its not just the NRA who is talking about the role of mental illness in mass murders. aikoaiko May 2014 #49
Etheral, many controllers are all over the board on this issue... Eleanors38 May 2014 #70
I agree that we need consistency in our positions etherealtruth May 2014 #90
I had a tough but civil discussion with Thucythucy.. Eleanors38 May 2014 #95
Absolutely not etherealtruth May 2014 #105
I agree with the stigma aspect. And I don't think such Eleanors38 May 2014 #116
Sadly, you are right about the NSA etherealtruth May 2014 #118
Well, The Straight Story May 2014 #10
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #12
That's all you got from that? The Straight Story May 2014 #18
That's twice, now. 1000words May 2014 #35
Most people interpret the benefit of the doubt as clear support for their language. aikoaiko May 2014 #50
Ugh. NuclearDem May 2014 #79
He is not taking the blame treestar May 2014 #14
Thank you. This has gotten way out of hand, with the ignorant, insulting posts around here. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #15
Mental health is an extremely broad spectrum which touches an immense proportion of the population. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #21
I hope you did not take my OP that way. I am for strict gun control and forgot what a bug a boo bettyellen May 2014 #25
To be honest I did not even see your post Bjorn Against May 2014 #33
thank you. I always respect what you have to say and I see the bettyellen May 2014 #40
With you 100% klook May 2014 #31
Here's the crap spewed by an NRA member on my FB page Divernan May 2014 #32
The amazing thing to me is that many of the same people who lecture us about thucythucy May 2014 #60
You haven't seen the calls by controllers for "psych evaluations?" Seriously?? Eleanors38 May 2014 #66
You're conflating psych (or other) evaluations for gun ownership thucythucy May 2014 #68
Wrong answers are always "simple" ones. You have a weak position Eleanors38 May 2014 #74
So you've gone from seeing life in section 8 housing as so dangerous thucythucy May 2014 #85
The problems of mental illness seem to affect mist families... Eleanors38 May 2014 #89
For the vast majority of people, losing their driver's license thucythucy May 2014 #134
"...people are desperate to find something to blame besides guns" FailureToCommunicate May 2014 #37
Good cartoon--how true. Louisiana1976 May 2014 #43
I love the smell of prohibition in the morning. Eleanors38 May 2014 #67
best post of the thread.... Locrian May 2014 #127
The mentally ill are much more likely to be victims JonLP24 May 2014 #42
Perhaps rather than stimatizing all of those who suffer from mental illnesses, we, instead 1monster May 2014 #46
Sociopathy as a "diagnosis" doesn't exist anymore. DeadLetterOffice May 2014 #54
I made a typo in my post which changed the meaning to the opposite of 1monster May 2014 #73
Most really sick, untreated schizophrenics are too busy being terrified of everything to be a threat Warpy May 2014 #47
stated elsewhere- we need to talk less about the mind and more about the brain. mopinko May 2014 #124
"The vast majority of mentally ill people are not violent," you didn't need to go farther than the dionysus May 2014 #48
you are absolutely right. When George McGovern was running for President, Thomas Eagleton had to lostincalifornia May 2014 #51
I agree, but... jabari0q May 2014 #58
...meaning? NRaleighLiberal May 2014 #59
And that "honesty" would be?? Lady Freedom Returns May 2014 #64
Gun Control not shoooter control is the answer. Next week the NRA will be screaming: rustydog May 2014 #61
Great post. Nt thucythucy May 2014 #69
k/r 840high May 2014 #62
The mentally ill should not be allowed to own firearms madville May 2014 #71
Again and again we have to say it! Neoma May 2014 #81
Sorry, but face reality Lee-Lee May 2014 #86
What diagnosis have been scientifically proven to make a person more prone toward violent behavior? etherealtruth May 2014 #91
Schizophrenia specifically is linked with a much higher likelihood of violent behavior Lee-Lee May 2014 #92
Are you seriously claiming phil89 May 2014 #97
I am saying the evidence shows Lee-Lee May 2014 #99
It's the conclusion, not the evidence I have a problem. phil89 May 2014 #102
I do not care for guns, I would like to carefully control ownership and access to guns etherealtruth May 2014 #101
What about people pipi_k May 2014 #88
You are talking about millions of people Distant Quasar May 2014 #111
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast May 2014 #82
I just posted about this over on David Futrelle's blog intaglio May 2014 #84
As someone with a whole slew pipi_k May 2014 #87
The problem here is we are lumping all "mental illness" in one broad category Lee-Lee May 2014 #98
It's simple and complex pipi_k May 2014 #106
Schizophrenia is also extremely complex Distant Quasar May 2014 #112
The second part is still correct though. JVS May 2014 #107
Yes - thank you for saying this Distant Quasar May 2014 #113
+ 1000 Rhinodawg May 2014 #100
It's not the NRA so much....... nolabels May 2014 #104
I said this in another thread - I personally know many schizophrenics and NONE are dangerous... DesertDiamond May 2014 #114
Here in Michigan a Republican governor closed most state mental health hospitals. tclambert May 2014 #115
Engler was an ass clown from hell etherealtruth May 2014 #119
Sick country in which we have a "right" to a gun but not to mental health care. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #117
There are people with mental illness in every 1st world country, none have our level of shootings Exultant Democracy May 2014 #120
Thank you, Bjorn. +100000000000000000.00 n/t AAO May 2014 #125
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